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He said that Oda completely dropped the story lines of both dreams
with Zoro's case he didn't create a structure for us to follow and understand Zoro's progress torwards achieving his dreams, there's no rankings or grades of Swordsman, the quality of the blades end up having 0 importance in the story, Mihawk says he is gonna wait at the top (as if he is being constantly challenged for his title, yet we see him just drinking and resting for 2 years in retirement waiting for Zoro to fight him), there's basically only 3 people that care for the WSS title, that is Zoro, Mihawk and Kuina (who is fucking dead). While we have to watch the entire world structure of pirates, supernova, commanders and Yonkos, and we can see how Luffy is evolving along the arcs to achieve his goal
and Sanji just completely fucking forgets about the All Blue, it's a completely missed storyline, Sanji has asked literally 0 people in the world about clues or anything related to the All Blue, that shit was used as gag in Fishman Island and the only clue we got was in anime only filler. Sanji got a whole second arc in Whole Cake, an arc related to cooking and his character, yet his dream has 0 impact on it, and when Sanji meets Rayleigh and we see all that talk of Robin, Usopp and Luffy considering asking about the One Piece, Sanji has 0 thoughts about asking about the All Blue to one of the most knowledgeable persons in the world
There's a lot more, but this is the base for those two
with Zoro's case he didn't create a structure for us to follow and understand Zoro's progress torwards achieving his dreams, there's no rankings or grades of Swordsman, the quality of the blades end up having 0 importance in the story, Mihawk says he is gonna wait at the top (as if he is being constantly challenged for his title, yet we see him just drinking and resting for 2 years in retirement waiting for Zoro to fight him), there's basically only 3 people that care for the WSS title, that is Zoro, Mihawk and Kuina (who is fucking dead). While we have to watch the entire world structure of pirates, supernova, commanders and Yonkos, and we can see how Luffy is evolving along the arcs to achieve his goal
and Sanji just completely fucking forgets about the All Blue, it's a completely missed storyline, Sanji has asked literally 0 people in the world about clues or anything related to the All Blue, that shit was used as gag in Fishman Island and the only clue we got was in anime only filler. Sanji got a whole second arc in Whole Cake, an arc related to cooking and his character, yet his dream has 0 impact on it, and when Sanji meets Rayleigh and we see all that talk of Robin, Usopp and Luffy considering asking about the One Piece, Sanji has 0 thoughts about asking about the All Blue to one of the most knowledgeable persons in the world
There's a lot more, but this is the base for those two
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Sure, but Zeff himself said that by travelling 1 year in the Grand Line he had seen clues or other stuff that pointed to the All Blue, that it at least exists
yet there's 0 of that shit in the story
it doesn't bother you at all?
The main motivation of one of your favorite characters is not explored at all by the author
yet there's 0 of that shit in the story
it doesn't bother you at all?
The main motivation of one of your favorite characters is not explored at all by the author
Zoro has no competition whatsoever towards his dream, despite Mihawk declaring that he would "hold the title" until Zoro challenged him giving indication that more people were aiming for it.
He also states that Black blades are a stupid and irrelevant plot that makes no sense whatsoever, at this point.
He also criticizes the fact that, while Luffy is gaining notoriety every arc, Zoro's only real notoriety feat was beating Daz Bones, who was famous as an assassin. Considering that the Marines talking about the Pica feat only happens on some off-story novel, I can understand his feelings.
About Sanji he criticizes for the same reason he criticizes Luffy. Sanji does NOTHING to find the All Blue. He just waits that he will eventually HAPPEN to find it. He talks about how he could have tried to look for clues during FI, since it was an island under the SEA, of SEA people, and maybe someone could know anything about a mystical SEA. He often compares him to Robin, who's actually working, on scene, to find the Poneglyphs and reach her goals. There's also a criticism about the Rayleigh scene, when Robin asks him about stuff like Void Century, but Sanji makes no effort whatsoever to ask Rayleigh ANYTHING. A complete passive approach to a dream that, by its nature, should be about him ACTIVELY asking around and looking for clues about it.
He also states that Black blades are a stupid and irrelevant plot that makes no sense whatsoever, at this point.
He also criticizes the fact that, while Luffy is gaining notoriety every arc, Zoro's only real notoriety feat was beating Daz Bones, who was famous as an assassin. Considering that the Marines talking about the Pica feat only happens on some off-story novel, I can understand his feelings.
About Sanji he criticizes for the same reason he criticizes Luffy. Sanji does NOTHING to find the All Blue. He just waits that he will eventually HAPPEN to find it. He talks about how he could have tried to look for clues during FI, since it was an island under the SEA, of SEA people, and maybe someone could know anything about a mystical SEA. He often compares him to Robin, who's actually working, on scene, to find the Poneglyphs and reach her goals. There's also a criticism about the Rayleigh scene, when Robin asks him about stuff like Void Century, but Sanji makes no effort whatsoever to ask Rayleigh ANYTHING. A complete passive approach to a dream that, by its nature, should be about him ACTIVELY asking around and looking for clues about it.
I believe there was ONE SCENE on the pre TS when Sanji finds a merchant selling a fish that should exist only on a different place. Sanji gets excited that it might be an indication that the All Blue is possible.
But that's it.
1 scene.
Done.
He finds this merchant by chance. He wasn't LOOKING for the clues. One just happened to find him first.
That's.....not ideal.
But that's it.
1 scene.
Done.
He finds this merchant by chance. He wasn't LOOKING for the clues. One just happened to find him first.
That's.....not ideal.
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Sure man, let's assume that.
Does it still matter? wouldn't Sanji's character be more rich if Oda explored him going after his dream? that's the main thing that made him leave the Baratie after all, that's his childhood dream, and yet we get 0 panels for it in 24+ years?
and i'm not hating on just Sanji here, i'm a Zoro fanboy and i completely agree that Oda has messed in developing his dream too
it's not a Sanji focused thing, i was talking about Sanji because was Bango asking
every Straw Hat dreams seem to be just completely dropped and wasted in the background
those are the driving forces of those characters
don't we deserve seeing more of that in 20+ years of story?
is it really more important focusing on side characters in every island than the characters we've all followed since the East Blue?
Does it still matter? wouldn't Sanji's character be more rich if Oda explored him going after his dream? that's the main thing that made him leave the Baratie after all, that's his childhood dream, and yet we get 0 panels for it in 24+ years?
and i'm not hating on just Sanji here, i'm a Zoro fanboy and i completely agree that Oda has messed in developing his dream too
it's not a Sanji focused thing, i was talking about Sanji because was Bango asking
every Straw Hat dreams seem to be just completely dropped and wasted in the background
those are the driving forces of those characters
don't we deserve seeing more of that in 20+ years of story?
is it really more important focusing on side characters in every island than the characters we've all followed since the East Blue?
Drizzt is 100% right about Zoro's and Sanij's dreams
Those are some good points
not even mad at it
Oda really just forgot to explore any of those dreams at all
much like the rest of the crew tbh
the only people we see actually advancing / working towards their dreams are Luffy and Robin
Those are some good points
not even mad at it
Oda really just forgot to explore any of those dreams at all
much like the rest of the crew tbh
the only people we see actually advancing / working towards their dreams are Luffy and Robin
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