Speculations The battle is coming to a "head"
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Well yea sure they were tbh I think it it ends with momo so to speak. I don’t know if u heard the theory about tama being a kurozumi , but if this is true after all the help she did and momo sticking up for her that would more than likely end the Hatred. There is also one saying it’s Otoko but I like the tama route as she has be critical to The success of the raid.
Dang it you're right.
I read 1000 chapters back, and recollected the fact Mihawk only chased Krieg to the East Blue for "fun".
The term "fun" has been used multiple times in the fight between Kaido and Luffy now.
Mihawk bullying Krieg was essentially just for Mihawk to kill time, but instead it subsequently led to his fight against Zoro.
Is Kaido just killing time, or is Luffy just killing time? KKT or LKT? You Decide!
I read 1000 chapters back, and recollected the fact Mihawk only chased Krieg to the East Blue for "fun".
The term "fun" has been used multiple times in the fight between Kaido and Luffy now.
Mihawk bullying Krieg was essentially just for Mihawk to kill time, but instead it subsequently led to his fight against Zoro.
Is Kaido just killing time, or is Luffy just killing time? KKT or LKT? You Decide!
And I'm talking about LITERALLY taking heads off, which was a "common" practice in Japan among samurai and was a highly dishonorable way to execute someone. Which is why I said that Oda could very well come and say he wasn't foreshadowing anything but depicting the way these characters would speak and behave towards killing someone because that's what their context asks for.
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Oda said he won't even have Zoro making explicit references to killing because that's too harsh, hence why the idea of a good guy like Zoro undoubtedly murdering another person on screen (and arguably in a gruesome way by beheading him) feels so off for this author.
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Any reason why that should not come to fruition? 
There's a misunderstanding then. Zoro was never portrayed as a kind hearted being like Luffy. He is not evil, byt he is neutrally aligned unlike Luffy, so he will probably get to kill someone when he feels that's the best path, unlike Luffy who would seek to avoid that unless really terribly strictly necessary. I don't expect Zoro to spare Kaido if death will be the best solution at the very least, and Kaido himself would prefer that to another treatment. :cheers:
It's not about in verse logic. Obviously Zoro and Robin are more dangerous in terms of killing intent because they've actually killed in the past, but the fact here is that Oda explicitly said this in SBS 57:
D: This is a question, but Luffy and his crew always seem to say "I'll beat him up" or something along those lines when they defeat a villain, right? Accurately, I don't think any enemies died. When the way of saying "kill" or "crush" is not used here, is it because they never kill their opponents? Is this some kind of policy? P.N. Tochitsuki
O: It has publication reasons. There was a phone call from my granny in my hometown, and she said that "it ain't good to use words sayin' that someone will kill the other". It's obvious Luffy and his crew don't use it, but I think as for the enemies, that's just.. too bad. It is the mature me that thinks it is really bad word usage when a friend of mine dies from time to time. Well, as for the running gags and the evilll villains, it is used, but I use it thinking "oh, this is a bad thing to say." Don't use it, everyone.
Even regarding Zoro I recall a specific euphemism is used in order to avoid the word "kill" in his mouth. And Oda may joke about it, but when he starts with "It has publication reasons" I'm pretty sure that granny in his hometown is his boss applying some "PEGI 12" restrictions for his shonen.
Anyways, the big picture here is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't have his main characters saying ugly stuff yet what some people are assuming here is that he will draw one of the good guys doing this to a person:
A good guy who can't even pronounce "kill" because it's too harsh yet he's expected to murder a defeated human being (sure, in dragon form, but still a person we've come to known through the arc) on screen and with one of the most gruesome, most explicit methods ever.
Literally every reason you can give supporting ZKK is obvious for any reader, this isn't a hard story to follow after all. But that's not the issue here, the issue is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't let Zoro say "kill".
D: This is a question, but Luffy and his crew always seem to say "I'll beat him up" or something along those lines when they defeat a villain, right? Accurately, I don't think any enemies died. When the way of saying "kill" or "crush" is not used here, is it because they never kill their opponents? Is this some kind of policy? P.N. Tochitsuki
O: It has publication reasons. There was a phone call from my granny in my hometown, and she said that "it ain't good to use words sayin' that someone will kill the other". It's obvious Luffy and his crew don't use it, but I think as for the enemies, that's just.. too bad. It is the mature me that thinks it is really bad word usage when a friend of mine dies from time to time. Well, as for the running gags and the evilll villains, it is used, but I use it thinking "oh, this is a bad thing to say." Don't use it, everyone.
Even regarding Zoro I recall a specific euphemism is used in order to avoid the word "kill" in his mouth. And Oda may joke about it, but when he starts with "It has publication reasons" I'm pretty sure that granny in his hometown is his boss applying some "PEGI 12" restrictions for his shonen.
Anyways, the big picture here is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't have his main characters saying ugly stuff yet what some people are assuming here is that he will draw one of the good guys doing this to a person:
A good guy who can't even pronounce "kill" because it's too harsh yet he's expected to murder a defeated human being (sure, in dragon form, but still a person we've come to known through the arc) on screen and with one of the most gruesome, most explicit methods ever.
Literally every reason you can give supporting ZKK is obvious for any reader, this isn't a hard story to follow after all. But that's not the issue here, the issue is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't let Zoro say "kill".
It's not about in verse logic. Obviously Zoro and Robin are more dangerous in terms of killing intent because they've actually killed in the past, but the fact here is that Oda explicitly said this in SBS 57:
D: This is a question, but Luffy and his crew always seem to say "I'll beat him up" or something along those lines when they defeat a villain, right? Accurately, I don't think any enemies died. When the way of saying "kill" or "crush" is not used here, is it because they never kill their opponents? Is this some kind of policy? P.N. Tochitsuki
O: It has publication reasons. There was a phone call from my granny in my hometown, and she said that "it ain't good to use words sayin' that someone will kill the other". It's obvious Luffy and his crew don't use it, but I think as for the enemies, that's just.. too bad. It is the mature me that thinks it is really bad word usage when a friend of mine dies from time to time. Well, as for the running gags and the evilll villains, it is used, but I use it thinking "oh, this is a bad thing to say." Don't use it, everyone.
Even regarding Zoro I recall a specific euphemism is used in order to avoid the word "kill" in his mouth. And Oda may joke about it, but when he starts with "It has publication reasons" I'm pretty sure that granny in his hometown is his boss applying some "PEGI 12" restrictions for his shonen.
Anyways, the big picture here is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't have his main characters saying ugly stuff yet what some people are assuming here is that he will draw one of the good guys doing this to a person:
A good guy who can't even pronounce "kill" because it's too harsh yet he's expected to murder a defeated human being (sure, in dragon form, but still a person we've come to known through the arc) on screen and with one of the most gruesome, most explicit methods ever.
Literally every reason you can give supporting ZKK is obvious for any reader, this isn't a hard story to follow after all. But that's not the issue here, the issue is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't let Zoro say "kill".
D: This is a question, but Luffy and his crew always seem to say "I'll beat him up" or something along those lines when they defeat a villain, right? Accurately, I don't think any enemies died. When the way of saying "kill" or "crush" is not used here, is it because they never kill their opponents? Is this some kind of policy? P.N. Tochitsuki
O: It has publication reasons. There was a phone call from my granny in my hometown, and she said that "it ain't good to use words sayin' that someone will kill the other". It's obvious Luffy and his crew don't use it, but I think as for the enemies, that's just.. too bad. It is the mature me that thinks it is really bad word usage when a friend of mine dies from time to time. Well, as for the running gags and the evilll villains, it is used, but I use it thinking "oh, this is a bad thing to say." Don't use it, everyone.
Even regarding Zoro I recall a specific euphemism is used in order to avoid the word "kill" in his mouth. And Oda may joke about it, but when he starts with "It has publication reasons" I'm pretty sure that granny in his hometown is his boss applying some "PEGI 12" restrictions for his shonen.
Anyways, the big picture here is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't have his main characters saying ugly stuff yet what some people are assuming here is that he will draw one of the good guys doing this to a person:
A good guy who can't even pronounce "kill" because it's too harsh yet he's expected to murder a defeated human being (sure, in dragon form, but still a person we've come to known through the arc) on screen and with one of the most gruesome, most explicit methods ever.
Literally every reason you can give supporting ZKK is obvious for any reader, this isn't a hard story to follow after all. But that's not the issue here, the issue is that, for "publication reasons", Oda won't let Zoro say "kill".
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The fact that Oda has such a big issue with killing character makes me hesitant to think Kaido will even die at all, let alone be murdered by a straw hat.
Like it would be 100% within Oda's style of writing for Luffy's giant punch(es) to give Kaido amnesia and revert him to a child.
It’s why every major death of one piece has been portrayed as self sacrifice and not murder or only done by true villains:
Ace dying to save Luffys life
Whitebeard dying to let his children escape
Oden dying to protect the scabbards
Bellemere getting killed by Arlong
Sabo getting “killed” by Celestial Dragons
Clover getting killed by CP and the Gorosei
Murder is uncommon in One Piece. The closest We have for a “decent” person killing someone is Aokiji killing Saul and even that was an ungrusome way of dying and he Was heavily conflicted and remorseful
Ace dying to save Luffys life
Whitebeard dying to let his children escape
Oden dying to protect the scabbards
Bellemere getting killed by Arlong
Sabo getting “killed” by Celestial Dragons
Clover getting killed by CP and the Gorosei
Murder is uncommon in One Piece. The closest We have for a “decent” person killing someone is Aokiji killing Saul and even that was an ungrusome way of dying and he Was heavily conflicted and remorseful
Exactly. As I said, of course there's some ground for Zoro killing Kaido if just for both in verse (Ryuma, allusions to beheading the dragon, etc.) and external hints (heck, Shuten-doji himself was beheaded), but we have Oda himself saying that words about killing are too ugly for his good guys, saying that his main character won't kill people because shattering their dreams is worst and showing actual murder in very specific situations. And let's be honest here: Zoro explicitly beheading Kaido would be the most gruesome killing in this whole story, including Sakazuki piercing through Ace; in other words, Zoro would be shown as a more bloodthirsty person than arguably the greatest sociopath in this series. I just can't picture Zoro beheading Kaido Ryuma-style, especially considering that Oda tends to either delay death (Whitebeard), suggest it without showing it explicitly (Bellemere) or silhouette it (Oden).
Of course Oda may go and have Zoro unxpectedly killing Kaido (not too explicitly, if anything); or he may find a way to soften the implications (like Kaido awakening yet losing his mind to the point of hopelessly turning into a dragon monster that isn't a person anymore). But as you well said Oda is the kind of author that would rather give Kaido amnesia than drawing Zoro murdering him like an animal since, as @Yasheen pointed out too, that's how he operates regarding defeat and death.
Of course Oda may go and have Zoro unxpectedly killing Kaido (not too explicitly, if anything); or he may find a way to soften the implications (like Kaido awakening yet losing his mind to the point of hopelessly turning into a dragon monster that isn't a person anymore). But as you well said Oda is the kind of author that would rather give Kaido amnesia than drawing Zoro murdering him like an animal since, as @Yasheen pointed out too, that's how he operates regarding defeat and death.
Well, what does @sanjikun say about this? 
Is this the KKG you placed your hopes into the whole time?
Is this the KKG you placed your hopes into the whole time?
