General & Others The coolest thing about Supernova was the fact they were the "Anti-Chosen One" element in the story

[ShinichiMugi]

I remember when we got introduced to the 11 Supernova in the Sabaody arc,the coolest thing was the fact that the story was telling us in that moment: "Luffy and the crew are the main characters but,they are not "different" or "unique". There are 8 other crews here,who lived equally epic adventures,and captured the attention of the World Government as well,like the Strawhats did. One of them has even an higher bounty than Luffy! It will be an hard race for the title of King of Pirates!". So they were basically a "anti-chosen one thrope" element in the story.
But,as we know,since post-timeskip the story actually evolved in a pure "Chosen one thrope" story. And some elements of that there were even in the pre-timeskip of course.
In the post-timeskip we got to know better Supernova like Law,Bonney,Capone etc. so Oda did a good job on developing them as characters,but,they were all used to "support" Luffy-Nika,rather than being serious rivals for him. So that element of competion that we had in Sabaody got lost,and thats a shame.
Now Oda is trying to tell us that the "race for the One Piece" is between the Yonko,but lets face it,its actually just a two-crew race between the Luffy's one and the Teach's one. Luffy has definitely too many allies right now in the story!

 

[Buusatan94]

The 11 Supernovas were most likely a marketing thing, an attempt to make the readers interested by the concept of the Straw Hats not being alone in the race for the One Piece and to have competitors/rivals but of course like the great majority of commercials and marketing it was a very large exageration if not an outright lie with the Supernovas being nowhere as well-treated, protected and blessed as Luffy is.

 

[Thaidakar]

Now Oda is trying to tell us that the "race for the One Piece" is between the Yonko,but lets face it,its actually just a two-crew race between the Luffy's one and the Teach's one. Luffy has definitely too many allies right now in the story!

Generally I agree.
But you forgot one character that was developing since the very first chapters. Not only Luffy and Teach grew over time.
Buggy, despite his adventurous youth, went from the small time thug in the east blue he had withered to to becoming a GL pirate once again, that went through ID imprisonment, MF war, Shichibukai up to yonko.

Yes, it's mostly chance and plot that carried his ass but is that really so different from luffy's development?

 

[park_min young]

The supernovas are pretty impressive when you realize that they don’t even have the same plot armor as an MC will have.

Law and Kidd beat the first ever top-tier on-panel without having to try 50 times and learning the necessary powerups. Can you imagine if Law had a chance to try 50 times against Kaidou or Teach? He’d basically have mastered FS + acoa and have more busted awakening moves right now already.

 

[soupongo]

The 11 Supernovas were most likely a marketing thing, an attempt to make the readers interested by the concept of the Straw Hats not being alone in the race for the One Piece and to have competitors/rivals but of course like the great majority of commercials and marketing it was a very large exageration if not an outright lie with the Supernovas being nowhere as well-treated, protected and blessed as Luffy is.

The story has never even implied that anyone among the supernova except the Kidd pirates were after the OP.

 

[Buusatan94]

The story has never even implied that anyone among the supernova except the Kidd pirates were after the OP.

Most pirates who travel through the Grand Line, including in the New World, don't do it if they aren't interested in the One Piece and PK title. And Law did state his intention to go after the One Piece.

And the fact of the matter remain the same, the Supernovas were hyped to be rivals and competitors, which was a huge lie.

 

[soupongo]

Most pirates who travel through the Grand Line, including in the New World, don't do it if they aren't interested in the One Piece and PK title. And Law did state his intention to go after the One Piece.

And the fact of the matter remain the same, the Supernovas were hyped to be rivals and competitors, which was a huge lie.

That's just not true. Pirates were going to the new world before Roger became the pirate king. The new world has less WG territories and presence, making it easier to plunder. Law stated that the one piece would always be around to one of his crew members, he wasn't ever making any moves to get it. And even by Sabody, most of the supernovas were not comparable to the SH. Luffys bounty was much higher then everyone but Kidd and Law. In the whole arc, characters like capone didn't even do anything, let alone come across as serious competition for the one piece

 

[Xione]

Huh??

The entire point of the supernovas was "Here are 11 special pirates". And then in the very same scene Shakky hypes them up... she hypes up Luffy as the special one with the highest bounty and the one she's betting on.

The supernova can't be anti-chosen, when they're part of the "chosen" factor of the series.


Bruh how can you be a MC of a series, and not be the chosen one? Unless it's a tragedy, I don't see how it works. The managaka can avoid calling his MC directly the chosen one.. but reality will still be the fact that the said character is a chosen one

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Generally I agree.
But you forgot one character that was developing since the very first chapters. Not only Luffy and Teach grew over time.
Buggy, despite his adventurous youth, went from the small time thug in the east blue he had withered to to becoming a GL pirate once again, that went through ID imprisonment, MF war, Shichibukai up to yonko.

Yes, it's mostly chance and plot that carried his ass but is that really so different from luffy's development?

True,and Buggy could even become the actual King of pirates maybe,but it would be made for "comical" reasons. Buggy is great but as he represents the "funny" side he will never be treated 100% seriously as character

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Huh??

The entire point of the supernovas was "Here are 11 special pirates". And then in the very same scene Shakky hypes them up... she hypes up Luffy as the special one with the highest bounty and the one she's betting on.

The supernova can't be anti-chosen, when they're part of the "chosen" factor of the series.


Bruh how can you be a MC of a series, and not be the chosen one? Unless it's a tragedy, I don't see how it works. The managaka can avoid calling his MC directly the chosen one.. but reality will still be the fact that the said character is a chosen one

True,Luffy always had hints of being the "chosen one" even in the pre-timeskip,and we all knew even back then that Luffy would become pirate king anyway. But,maybe at the time there were more theories about Kidd,Law or someone else being more of an enemy until the end than now.

 

[soupongo]

Huh??

The entire point of the supernovas was "Here are 11 special pirates". And then in the very same scene Shakky hypes them up... she hypes up Luffy as the special one with the highest bounty and the one she's betting on.

The supernova can't be anti-chosen, when they're part of the "chosen" factor of the series.


Bruh how can you be a MC of a series, and not be the chosen one? Unless it's a tragedy, I don't see how it works. The managaka can avoid calling his MC directly the chosen one.. but reality will still be the fact that the said character is a chosen one

Oda fucked up by making luffy a literal god. Even having the will of D and being related to all these important people was a bit much. But again, we can sort of deal with that. But the Nika fruit kind of ruins his character

 

[Xione]

Oda fucked up by making luffy a literal god. Even having the will of D and being related to all these important people was a bit much. But again, we can sort of deal with that. But the Nika fruit kind of ruins his character

Nika isn't literal God he's simply treated as one.

Refer to Soul King, getting worshipped by the cultists.

Unless you think Sengoku is the literal Buddha himself?

I don't see how the fruit changes anything about him other than making his fighting style more creative and free like it used to be before G2/G3. Imo

 

[soupongo]

Nika isn't literal God he's simply treated as one.

Refer to Soul King, getting worshipped by the cultists.

Unless you think Sengoku is the literal Buddha himself?

I don't see how the fruit changes anything about him other than making his fighting style more creative and free like it used to be before G2/G3. Imo

Kuma quite literally worshipped Nika. He's an elbaf god. The Nika Nika no mi, is not the Same as Sengoku or Marcos fruit. It can literally attract anyone who knew Joyboy and can awaken ancient technology. The gorosei fear it deeply. And even worse,the Gorosei implied the fruit was avoiding them, which means most likely it went to Luffy because he's the chosen one

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

You can't convince me someone like Law is last minute addition

He's probably already going to play a big role even before the concept of Supernova

 

[soupongo]

You can't convince me someone like Law is last minute addition

He's probably already going to play a big role even before the concept of Supernova

Why?

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Why?

Because Law is too Awesome in terms of design, characters, Powers . It's all seems well planned.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

The 11 Supernovas were most likely a marketing thing, an attempt to make the readers interested by the concept of the Straw Hats not being alone in the race for the One Piece and to have competitors/rivals but of course like the great majority of commercials and marketing it was a very large exageration if not an outright lie with the Supernovas being nowhere as well-treated, protected and blessed as Luffy is.

No need for the most likely. We know oda only introduced them cause editors told him story was boring.

Op editors used to have some balls back then.

 

[MonsterKaido]

SNs were introduced out of fly due to editors pressing oda about it.

 

[kekaro]

Blud is seeing things that arent there

 

[ShinichiMugi]

You can't convince me someone like Law is last minute addition

He's probably already going to play a big role even before the concept of Supernova

As Doflamingo was originally going to be a Wano villain under Kaido,maybe Law was going to be a Samurai who was against him.

 

[BattalGazi]

They were the chosen to serve Nika.