Controversial The Four Gods Of One Piece

Yoho

Yoho

Ruthlessness is Mercy upon yourself
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Originally this was gonna be a comment to this thread here https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...d-but-who-is-the-moon-god.68598/#post-6140616

However I realized it was much to long for a simple Comment thus here we are

In the original post they asked who is the moon god, However there is no mention of a moon god in the ancient text

Four gods are mentioned and I can tell you with 99% accuracy who represents each god

Sun-Sea-Forest-Earth

Earth God- The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness- We can use this excerpt from the first world message of the Harley text to narrow down the Earth God to non other than black beard, Blackbeard ate the darkness fruit and he killed his friend to get that fruit as well as killed his very own captain but Yoho what about the serpent thing, well in Mythology and Folklore two headed snakes are quite common which ties in perfectly with BB having two fruits


Forest God- The forest god tamed demons and simple sentence in a long ancient message, however it tells us all we need to know, we know from recent chapters that Imu can turn people into Demons, the Holy Knights and Gorosei summon via pentagram and imu even has a demonic book which all points to devil/demon lore meaning Imu given what we know is likely the forest god

Sea God- Man killed the sun and became god, and the sea god stormed. And they will never meet. Theres no one it could be besides Shirahoshi aka Poseidon, we know from fish man island that joyboy (sun god) had a relationship with Fishman island and couldn't keep a promise he couldnt keep it because he would die and he knew he would which is why he left one final message the ancient poseidon heard about his death and raged no other character can control sea kings and is said to be one of the ancient weapons capable of destroying the world there for The Sea God = Shirahoshi

Sun God- Luffy no explanation needed

Want more definitive proof that what I say is true

https://youtube.com/shorts/SOcKm9A89Zk?si=aFFsguHVj5LyLNP3

This scene here imu destroys the posters of

Luffy- Sun God
Black Beard- Earth God
Shirahoshi- Sea God

And leaves Vivi's intact likely because of a fondness for Lili be it romantically or just a long lost friend

And there we have it the four gods of one piece
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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Yoho said:
Earth God- The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness- We can use this excerpt from the first world message of the Harley text to narrow down the Earth God to non other than black beard, Blackbeard ate the darkness fruit and he killed his friend to get that fruit as well as killed his very own captain but Yoho what about the serpent thing, well in Mythology and Folklore two headed snakes are quite common which ties in perfectly with BB having two fruits
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https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/is-blackbeard-the-earth-god.68257/

Yeah I also think earth God maybe related to BB. Imu and poseidon being forest and storm god.
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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It does fit & it would make sense if these Four end up revealed as such Gods,
But this whole Theory is based on something that's not yet Confirmed,
Who said there are "Only" Four Gods?

People are making the same Mistake as when Pluton was revealed,
Entire Baroque Works Operation was for Crocodile to find Pluton,
And then We had CP-9 Saga also focusing on Pluton, and Pre-TS ended with us thinking it's the Ultimate Weapon

What happens after that? It's revealed that Pluton is actually One of Three Ancient Weapons,
The same thing for when Ancient Kingdom was mentioned again, i said back then don't fall for same Mistake, the World Story isn't gonna come down to a Single Kingdom, i said there were Three, and recently Harley did Confirm that there are indeed Three Stories to be told,

Even when Who's Who mentioned Sun God, i said don't jump to conclusions yet,
Everyone thought that Joy Boy & Nika were Same Person, but i said No, They are not, there are gonna be Multiple Sun Gods ... etc

You need to understand that Oda knows his Story is Extremely Long, and sooner or later, some Readers are gonna Uncover & Predict everything, no matter how hard He tries to hide it, this is why to make sure that the Ending isn't Spoiled (At least not Fully), He relies on Hiding Information completely,

If Oda tells you there are Four Gods, then that means there are more than Four,
It's clear that People use this Name a lot, i mean in Lego World, We saw Ear God, Needle God, Sun God ... etc
In Wano, We have Sword God, Mountain God ... etc

But Gods of entire World, there are only Four? I doubt that.
I don't know if you know this already, but Neptune is called "Sea God", not Shirahoshi,
And also called "Great Knight of The Sea". So Sea God refers to Fish-Men Island's Top Knight,
Just like Sword God referred to Wano's Top Samurai,
Just like Sun God referred to Elbaph's Top Warrior,
Just like Skypiea's Top Warrior is also referred to as God,

Meaning OPVerse Gods = Leading Legendary Warriors of Major Kingdoms,
It's like They are Guardian Deities of entire World,

To know their Numbers, We must discover Number of Major Kingdoms,
Who are They? They are obviously the First Kingdoms that were Founded right after Ancient Kingdom was Abandoned/Destroyed,
Similar to how Moon Kingdom ended up divided into Three (Skypiea, Birka & Shandia),

Most likely Scenario is that these OG Kingdoms must have something in common to indicate They once were Together, (Similar to X Mark)
And my Best Guess is "D", so there should be Major OG Kingdoms as many as there are D. Families, and each Kingdom should have it's own God.

So far We have: Rocks, Gol, Monkey, Portgas, Trafalgar, Jaguar, Marshall, Nerfertari & Clou.
Thus i'd say there are 9 or 10 Gods of One Piece, which is same Number as SHs Crew.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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For some reason, I don't think any of the remaining three gods will be people. Nika might be the exception here, a singular personification of the slaves' want for freedom. Forest, Sea, and Earth could be conceptual entities without a definite form/identity, or, like the Ancient Weapons, separate beings/machines that only together become godly.
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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moreha9685 said:
For some reason, I don't think any of the remaining three gods will be people. Nika might be the exception here, a singular personification of the slaves' want for freedom. Forest, Sea, and Earth could be conceptual entities without a definite form/identity, or, like the Ancient Weapons, separate beings/machines that only together become godly.
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Imu most likely is literal devil though.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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MonsterKaido said:
Imu most likely is literal devil though.
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Likely, sure, but we're yet to learn anything about IMU.
And that would make him, ahem, a devil, not a god.

Remember that the kingdom Brook was sent to pre-ts was also trying to activate their abyss pentagram. What were they trying to conjure: IMU, or some other devil?

Are there as many devils as there are devil fruits, each with a specific ability and expertise? Is a god a devil that wasn't bound to a fruit, and uses their abilities freely? Or is a god a collective of devils with similar abilities, all working together?

If entire groups of devils were put into the same DF, would that explain why Mythical Zoans also have elemental abilities on top of the physiological transformations?
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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moreha9685 said:
Likely, sure, but we're yet to learn anything about IMU.
And that would make him, ahem, a devil, not a god.

Remember that the kingdom Brook was sent to pre-ts was also trying to activate their abyss pentagram. What were they trying to conjure: IMU, or some other devil?

Are there as many devils as there are devil fruits, each with a specific ability and expertise? Is a god a devil that wasn't bound to a fruit, and uses their abilities freely? Or is a god a collective of devils with similar abilities, all working together?
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I mean Imu literally thinks of them as a god saying they will show god's dominion. So its not surprising they can be revered as a god.

The forest god is said to be tamed the devils also.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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MonsterKaido said:
And what do you think of the fact that forest god is said to tame devils themselves?
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I think the top organization of the First World, be it the Ancient Kingdom, or whatever preceded them, found a way to access the Abyss and bring devils into this dimension to work for them. I almost expect the Forest God to be a machine or a scientific process that binds darkness entities from another world to men's whims. That's the origin of the DFs.
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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moreha9685 said:
I think the top organization of the First World, be it the Ancient Kingdom, or whatever preceded them, found a way to access the Abyss and bring devils into this dimension to work for them. I almost expect the Forest God to be a machine or a scientific process that binds darkness entities from another world to men's whims. That's the origin of the DFs.
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Well anything is possible but the fact given sun god is a being suggest other gods also where beings. Either humans eating god DFs or literal beings themselves. Anyways we shall see.
 
moreha9685

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MonsterKaido said:
Well anything is possible but the fact given sun god is a being suggest other gods also where beings. Either humans eating god DFs or literal beings themselves. Anyways we shall see.
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Nika is an apparition brought forward by the slaves' wish for freedom. Unless the other three gods are also apparitions based on collective desires*, I think Nika was an exception and first of his kind.

*I could see Forest, Sea, and Earth be the result of the winged people depleting the newly discovered Blue Planet and wishing for more resources.
 
MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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moreha9685 said:
Nika is an apparition brought forward by the slaves' wish for freedom. Unless the other three gods are also apparitions based on collective desires*, I think Nika was an exception and first of his kind.

*I could see Forest, Sea, and Earth be the result of the winged people depleting the newly discovered Blue Planet and wishing for more resources.
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If what vegapunk says is truth about DFs then I don't see why other gods can also be born from people's wish. World domination is a common dream for power hungry people.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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MonsterKaido said:
If what vegapunk says is truth about DFs then I don't see why other gods can also be born from people's wish. World domination is a common dream for power hungry people.
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I don't think an entire people would dream of world domination to the point of generating a god hellbent on conquering the world. I think a bloodthirsty people of conquerors would dream of better weapons and superhuman traits to more easily defeat their enemies, thus giving rise to stat-altering DFs.

However.
If the klabautermann is the spirit of a ship whose shipmates cared deeply for, I could see the Earth, Forest, and Sea gods be klabautermanns materialized after a certain land, a forest, and a body of water respectively were taken care of and even adored by a population.
 
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OykotsTreasure

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I agree with Imu most likely being the Forest God. Though, I feel like Imu will eventually turn out to be more a "dragon" than a literal "devil". Though, a lot of times, dragons can be called devils and vice versa. So, there's probably some overlap in the metaphors and ideas at play. The wings, horns, and tail can all also be traits that Dragons have. I'll admit the pitchforks are definitely more devil-coded. But, who's to say Dragons can't use pitchforks, too?! Given how many Dragon statues are all around the world, at Alabasta, and Fishman Island, and Wano, I just feel like Oda is cooking something up about a "Dragon race" coming into play later. Plus, I feel like Oda will want to add another twist to what Imu's REALLY doing. Oda does love his surprise reveals.

The other two I have other ideas about.

I think the Sea God, if they turn out to be anyone in the cast, will most likely turn out to be Blackbeard. Note the 3 "sparks" around the "Falllen Angel" on the 1138 Mural. Blackbeard is often associated with the number 3. 3 skulls on his jolly roger, 3 guns around his waist, being theorized to eventually end up with 3 Devil Fruits. The Darkness Fruit being the darkness of the depths of the ocean kind of makes sense, especially given Blackbeard's ability to negate Devil Fruits, similar to how sea water affects them. Plus, this would make Blackbeard Luffy's opposite, which would make sense with how he's been depicted in the story so far. There are other alternatives for how Blackbeard could be Luffy's opposite, like having the "dark side" of the Nika powers. But, I still think Blackbeard ending up being the Sea God makes the most sense.

The Earth God is the one that I'm the most split over. We really know so little about this particular god. At least we know the Sea God is probably behind the Devil Fruit "curse". We only really have the 1138 Mural to go on for the Earth God. I've talked before how it could turn out to be Caribou or Boa Hancock. But, there is another option that I kind of forgot about.

What if the Earth God turns out to be Loki?

Take another look at the 1138 Mural. Look at the "Hellflame Serpent" in the city. Now take a look at the "Ancient Giant" on the other side of the Mural in Joyboy's army. Notice anything? Both the Hellflame Serpent and the Ancient Giant have the same arrow-like pattern on them, just going in different directions. I feel like this is a hint that Loki could be our Earth God.

Now, the biggest problem with this idea is...it doesn't seem like the Earth God Fruit should be easily mistaken for the Nika Fruit. Loki THINKS he has the Sun God powers. So, why would he think that if what he actually has is the Earth God powers. But, well, the Earth God likely has some control over fire and magma and lava. Especially if it helped create the Hellflame Serpent with those powers. So, I could see lave-powers getting mistaken for Sun powers. And it's possible that the Earth God is another "White God" like Nika. In contrast to the "Black God" that Imu and the Forest God seems to be. It's possible there's two "teams" in this God Game that the God Fruits are playing. A "white" team and a "black" team. Nika and the Earth God could be the white one team. And Imu/Forest God and the Sea God could be on the black team. If the Earth God is another "white god", that might explain the confusion.

This also works as a Norse mythology reference. In Norse mythology, Nidhogg the dragon is at the bottom of the World Tree gnawing at it's roots. Which would kind of work, if the Earth God is associated with the Hellflame Serpent from the 1138 Mural. It works JUST well enough that I'm considering the idea.



As for there being other Gods...yeah, I think that's possible. I've mentioned before that there seems to be a missing Fifth God, in order to complete our five elements. We have fire, water, wood, and earth. But, we really should have a metal or gold god in order to complete the classic five Eastern elements. Maybe a new god will be born before the end of the story, due to new wishes? Or maybe there's one that's hidden away, for some reason. Maybe it's something a future movie will tackle? Maybe it's just Sengoku's Buddha Statue Fruit, who knows?

But, there could be even more than that. There could be 7 different gods, each representing a different chakra point on the body. Foreshadowed by there being 7 different Vegapunks on Egghead Island. Or there could be up to 14 different gods, since each chakra point actually has a "positive" and "negative" attribute associated with them. So, each god could have a positive or negative reflection of each other. For example, both Luffy and Blackbeard both fit the positive and negative versions of the Heart Chakra pretty well. Making them mirror images of each other.
https://7chakrastore.com/blogs/news/chakra-archetypes
https://7chakrastore.com/blogs/news/chakra-elements
https://www.envisionintegrativetherapies.com/chakras-and-their-archetypes

Or Oda could go a completely different way with it. It's hard to say.
 
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