Bougya The Great Debate: ACoC or not?

After reading my explanation what is your opinion?

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Herrera95

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So as always and it was expected Zoro is the true protagonist of the series leading to the greatests and more polemics debates.

This time making his haters to bite the pillow hard while crying he possibly (not confirmed) one shotted Lucci (although 3 swords can count as 3 attacks was only one named attack). And this allows us to compare him with Luffy that possibly (controversial) KOed Lucci with 3 CoCless attacks. And that's exactly where the polemics starts because we can have 2 scenarios here.

First scenario:
It was a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoC coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack

Second scenario:
It wasn't a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoCless coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack

So in first scenario we could say that Zoro needs ACoC to keep up with CoCless Nika. In the second we could say that he doesn't need. Either way this already puts Zoro much closer to Nika than some of his delusional haters used to claim.

But now let's go to the main topic. It was CoC coating?

First of all we need to know how to identify a CoC coating attack. We only learned about it at chapter 1010 when Luffy explains us.



That's the first mention of this technique in a time we used to believe CoC was useless in a fight against strong individuals.

And then we see Luffy using this technique
And to help us understand a little further we have Luffy's cheerleader Law to make a comment



Please ignore Luffy's meaningless words since he lost 3 chapters later.

So what we can drag from this?

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
And with that we can go back to previous chapter and identify some CoC coating attacks


And there is also something else we learned on chapter 1026



The clash of 2 ACoC users attack causes the sky splitting. And with that we can assume other CoC coating clashes that caused sky splitting even without we getting the visual representation of it because it changes through time


So the 3 rules to determine if someone is using CoC coating is

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
Not all 3 of them has to occur but at least one.

BUT! Something is missing... The claim of Luffy saying he finally understood Kaido coats his club with CoC the first time he got hit by it.

When was that first time he is talking about? The time he got instantly KOed?
Or the first time at rooftop where he half dodged but remained consciousness therefore he could understand it?



Both cases are difficult to see the visuals of a CoC coating attack but we are sure one of them are because Luffy said so. Only one of them we can see Kaido's club charged with haki after the attack so I'd claim that Kaido one shotting Luffy at Act 1 was a CoC coating attack while Kaido blitzing Luffy at rooftop wasn't.

So once again let's add this rule to understand what makes a CoC coating attack
  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
  4. CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
With that said let's analyze Zoro using CoC coating attack


We can see that Zoro during his KoH mode mantains a constant flow of smoke and lightning around all his 3 swords. So for Zoro's case only we can say he has a 5th rule to be sure he is using CoC coating

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
  4. CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
  5. KoH mode has constant flow of black lightning around his swords
Now let's finally analyze Zoro finisher on Rob Lucci



By elimination of our 5 rules to determine CoC coating

  1. We can't see any CoC coating no touching effect
  2. We can't see any CoC coating black lightning streak following Zoro's attack while charging it
  3. Zoro isn't splitting the heavens with Lucci
  4. Zoro swords doesn't remain charged after the attack
  5. We can't see the constant flow of black lightning around his swords that he has in King of Hell mode
So this is how we determine that Zoro "one-shotted" Lucci (one named attack but 3 swords means 3 attacks) without CoC coating technique.
 
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zenox

zenox

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#4
#4
it isnt acoc,
the only acoc indicator u can pull out from this are the black lightnings after the attack landed

And we know huge lightnings can be shown with armament haki too

zoro himself has showed that against king



it is also a simple santoryuu attack which is another variant of a move zoro used pre timeskip

look at his right hand and u will see the similarity
 
Artem

Artem

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#18
#18
Herrera95 said:
So as always and it was expected Zoro is the true protagonist of the series leading to the greatests and more polemics debates.

This time making his haters to bite the pillow hard while crying he possibly (not confirmed) one shotted Lucci (although 3 swords can count as 3 attacks was only one named attack). And this allows us to compare him with Luffy that possibly (controversial) KOed Lucci with 3 CoCless attacks. And that's exactly where the polemics starts because we can have 2 scenarios here.

First scenario:
It was a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoC coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack

Second scenario:
It wasn't a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoCless coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack

So in first scenario we could say that Zoro needs ACoC to keep up with CoCless Nika. In the second we could say that he doesn't need. Either way this already puts Zoro much closer to Nika than some of his delusional haters used to claim.

But now let's go to the main topic. It was CoC coating?

First of all we need to know how to identify a CoC coating attack. We only learned about it at chapter 1010 when Luffy explains us.



That's the first mention of this technique in a time we used to believe CoC was useless in a fight against strong individuals.

And then we see Luffy using this technique



And to help us understand a little further we have Luffy's cheerleader Law to make a comment



Please ignore Luffy's meaningless words since he lost 3 chapters later.

So what we can drag from this?

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
And with that we can go back to previous chapter and identify some CoC coating attacks


And there is also something else we learned on chapter 1026



The clash of 2 ACoC users attack causes the sky splitting. And with that we can assume other CoC coating clashes that caused sky splitting even without we getting the visual representation of it because it changes through time


So the 3 rules to determine if someone is using CoC coating is

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
Not all 3 of them has to occur but at least one.

BUT! Something is missing... The claim of Luffy saying he finally understood Kaido coats his club with CoC the first time he got hit by it.

When was that first time he is talking about? The time he got instantly KOed?



Or the first time at rooftop where he half dodged but remained consciousness therefore he could understand it?



Both cases are difficult to see the visuals of a CoC coating attack but we are sure one of them are because Luffy said so. Only one of them we can see Kaido's club charged with haki after the attack so I'd claim that Kaido one shotting Luffy at Act 1 was a CoC coating attack while Kaido blitzing Luffy at rooftop wasn't.

So once again let's add this rule to understand what makes a CoC coating attack
  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
  4. CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
With that said let's analyze Zoro using CoC coating attack


We can see that Zoro during his KoH mode mantains a constant flow of smoke and lightning around all his 3 swords. So for Zoro's case only we can say he has a 5th rule to be sure he is using CoC coating

  1. CoC coating doesn't touch
  2. CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
  3. CoC coating clash splits the heavens
  4. CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
  5. KoH mode has constant flow of black lightning around his swords
Now let's finally analyze Zoro finisher on Rob Lucci



By elimination of our 5 rules to determine CoC coating

  1. We can't see any CoC coating no touching effect
  2. We can't see any CoC coating black lightning streak following Zoro's attack while charging it
  3. Zoro isn't splitting the heavens with Lucci
  4. Zoro swords doesn't remain charged after the attack
  5. We can't see the constant flow of black lightning around his swords that he has in King of Hell mode
So this is how we determine that Zoro "one-shotted" Lucci (one named attack but 3 swords means 3 attacks) without CoC coating technique.
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In the sense that acoc is not relevant? Goofy touched, Kaido touches, Zoro touches.
 
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