Controversial The Loki/Harald/Xebec Flashback Is Already Better Than Kuma's

[EmperorKinyagi]

However will I recover from this.

You won’t.

Thats what “it’s over” means

 

[Toryu]

Kuma FB is backstory, Xebec Loki is World building

 

[HellBlazer04]

Finally someone said it.
Kuma's FB was dogshit. Just a few panels of Loki's past clears it

 

[kekaro]

Defintive prove that Dragon is a bum btw.
every cope about "what you want to dragon do, walk in there alone?" was disproven
Shite character, incosistently written, will get "LE HYPE" for the one times he fights and will be forgotten

 

[Yoho]

Defintive prove that Dragon is a bum btw.
every cope about "what you want to dragon do, walk in there alone?" was disproven

Its more kuma's fault than dragons, dragon couldnt risk a war and sacrifice a bunch of men for one person especially when the revolutionary army was still growing in power, Kuma literally could of poofed in grabbed Ginny and poofed back out, they knew the celestials took her and they knew where mariejose was, aint like they got tight security in the Holyland

Fishertiger broke in and freed a bunch of slaves

Lafayette broke in when they had the warlord meeting after crocodiles defeat

Rocks got to the boss level room (100% certain the flower room is where Luffy will have a final fight with imu)

Sabo and a gaggle of revolutionaries broke in and out with Kuma, while freeing slaves and escaped imu and the gorosei

Not to mention even Bonney a literal child managed to sneak in and out

Kuma could of easily got in and got out

 

[kekaro]

Its more kuma's fault than dragons, dragon couldnt risk a war and sacrifice a bunch of men for one person especially when the revolutionary army was still growing in power, Kuma literally could of poofed in grabbed Ginny and poofed back out, they new the celestials took her and they knew where mariejose was, aint like they got tight security in the Holyland

Fishertiger broke in and freed a bunch of slaves

Lafayette broke in when they had the warlord meeting after crocodiles defeat

Rocks got to the boss level room (100% certain the flower room is where Luffy will have a final fight with imu)

Sabo and a gaggle of revolutionaries broke in and out with Kuma, while freeing slaves and escaped imu and the gorosei

Not to mention even Bonney a literal child managed to sneak in and out

Kuma could of easily got in and got out

Who did rocks sacrafice
i also dont see a war, he keeps chilling for decades after that

Certified larper, Monkey D Dragon

 

[Yoho]

Who did rocks sacrafice
i also dont see a war, he keeps chilling for decades after that

Certified larper, Monkey D Dragon

Rocks had other reasons to invade the holy land we don't yet know about, but whatever the reason it may be tied to why BB never sleeps

Dragon was waiting for the right time aka when his son became the chosen one and could take out imu personally

 

[kekaro]

Rocks had other reasons to invade the holy land we don't yet know about, but whatever the reason it may be tied to why BB never sleeps

Dragon was waiting for the right time aka when his son became the chosen one and could take out imu personally

His reasons are irrelevant, i shown you your counter arguments dont hold up
Xebec went in, pressed upon to imus room (something dragon hadnt even needed) got out, and NOTHING happening after it
Lragon

 

[Yoho]

His reasons are irrelevant, i shown you your counter arguments dont hold up
Xebec went in, pressed upon to imus room (something dragon hadnt even needed) got out, and NOTHING happening after it
Lragon

Sure dragon could of done something im not saying that, im just saying why is dragon getting all the blame for not saving Ginny when Kuma literally had the perfect power to do so and had a much stronger and deeper connection with her than Dragon did, or why didn't Ivankov her literal brother lift a finger to go help? People lay the blame at dragons feet when Kuma and Ivankov are the main ones who abandoned their childhood friend and sister, hell she was basically Kuma's wife. But some how my boy dragon gets blamed for having the insight to know it wasn't time to invade the holy land yet

 

[kekaro]

Sure dragon could of done something im not saying that, im just saying why is dragon getting all the blame for not saving Ginny when Kuma literally had the perfect power to do so and had a much stronger and deeper connection with her than Dragon did, or why didn't Ivankov her literal brother lift a finger to go help? People lay the blame at dragons feet when Kuma and Ivankov are the main ones who abandoned their childhood friend and sister, hell she was basically Kuma's wife. But some how my boy dragon gets blamed for having the insight to know it wasn't time to invade the holy land yet

Dragon is not getting the "blame", dragon is getting ragged on because he is a shit character, along line of others that do nothing but do sit on their ass for 1200 chapters

 

[Yoho]

Dragon is not getting the "blame", dragon is getting ragged on because he is a shit character, along line of others that do nothing but do sit on their ass for 1200 chapters

🤔 fair enough

🤝

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It’s a mid off so far

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I hate the flashback of Oden because he acted dumb, nothing what was hyped before, was really good.

As example the flashback actually started good, but the first big let down:
- the event with Ashura vs Oden was complete offscreen, not a single moment of that encounter.
Then we saw the clash with Whitebeard but it ended fast without seing the rest.

Okay I get it, he wanted to move on.
But cmon it was the land of the samurai, display different swordman skills by Oden would fit pretty good.

Another point:
- After getting clapped by Roger, we didn't saw any scaling for Oden. Rather to learn and show adv CoC, we never saw it on panel.

Oda skipped any big moment for Oden, any big moment was rushed or skipped.

But I look over all this because all I wanted was Kaido vs Oden. And hell it was lucklaster, so bad that I was soo disappointed. I mean I get it, he didn't want to show much of Kaido but did he was serious?
No big new move by Oden, basic cut attack(enma was praised, in the end both swords cut Kaido)....

I didn't like how Oden was shown in chapter 970.
I didn't like how Kaido was shown..
The victory was cheap and disgusting, Kaido didn'z need such a victory. I get Oda didn't want to show a clear victory. But cmon both deserved better.

Was it so hard to show a panel what we got with Harald vs Xebec? Or Gaban vs Luffy/Zoro?

970 should focus on the beginning of the fight and 971 should be complete a Vs chapter between Kaido vs Oden, display Oden great power but also show why Kaido was called the strongest creature...

In the end Oda failed hard.
Everyone expected a big battle and yet it was lacklust, even Scabbards vs Dragon Kaido was better to read lol...

Let hope Harald portrayal stays like this, he deserve not to end like Oden.

Strongest Giant finally show what he is capable to do.

Apparently it was, Oden's flashback is such a failure, he even wrote Harald as an absent father better than Oden without making it look absolutely stupid. This is what happens when one author writes all of the story and has a weekly deadline. He can't ACTUALLY plan out in advance or rewrite the story once the book is finished. I think Oda was too enthusiastic about writing Wano that he lost focus and ended up writing dogshit.

 

[S.W317]

"muh emotional journey"

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I was sure that the minimum age to joining this sub was 25

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Apparently it was, Oden's flashback is such a failure, he even wrote Harald as an absent father better than Oden without making it look absolutely stupid. This is what happens when one author writes all of the story and has a weekly deadline. He can't ACTUALLY plan out in advance or rewrite the story once the book is finished. I think Oda was too enthusiastic about writing Wano that he lost focus and ended up writing dogshit.

Oda should make wano far shorter, cut of lot of characters, making BEFORE a list what to do and what not to do.
Like this:
- Cut of all the running shit
- Cut of all the scabbards except adding 1-2
- End Orochi plot in act two, let Zoro killing him right there
- Focus more on the strawhats and alliance vs Kaido and his crew
- Not adding Big Mom and Perospero in the arc
- Making Oden flashback shorter, making Kaido vs Oden better
- Giving Kid,Law and Luffy the victory over Kaido

Handling all this under 100 chapters.

Wano would be far better.
Adding this and that into the arc, made the arc far worse...

 

[S.W317]

It was just OK until Xebec showed up. A sad but not out of the ordinary One Piece backstory of shitty upbringing. Xebec himself has been amazing not only for what he's doing lore and worldbuilding wise, but because he's like throwing an agenda molotov in the middle of one piece agenda posters lmao. So many people already overreacting and changing their agendas on like 2 chapters, it's hilarious. I've enjoyed the meltdowns. But like I said, the first half of the flashback wasn't anything special.

Kuma's flashback was more centrally coherent on Kuma rather than jumping between 4 different fucking perspectives, but I accuse it of being tearbait. You have this great emotional setup for him, he arrives at Egghead and absolutely smashes Saturn to rescue Bonney......all for it to do 0 damage because lolregen, and Oda's need to make fucking everything about CoC now so he had to wait until Gaban's reveal to introduce a way to hurt him. Then turned Kuma into an obsolete deadweight for the remainder of the arc. So silly. It reduced a lot the flashback's purpose to just implicit Nika wank (sans the GV intro). Still emotionally awesome, and introduced lots of great lore, but I definitely soured on it because of the post-flashback result.

Kuma's flashback has the edge imo (mostly a product of it being complete), but it's not that distant. Gaban's Loki's Harald's Xebec's flashback can overtake it with a few more good ones.

I would’ve loved if Kuma regained his consciousness momentarily unlocking AdCoC and with the help of Luffy, they beat Saturn together as the arc villain

Where Luffy understands this is personal for Kuma, is only there to make sure Kuma doesn’t lose but ultimately let’s Kuma deliver the final hit where he combines AdCoC with a paw-paw attack that extracts all his pain and delivers it to Saturn thus negating his regen and kills him

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I was sure that the minimum age to joining this sub was 25

Bro if you are >25 crying at Japanese comics it may be over

 

[S.W317]

Bro if you are >25 crying at Japanese comics it may be over

I’m fucking 30 and a board certified doctor

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I’m fucking 30 and a board certified doctor

Society is finished

 

[MonsterKaido]

Its more kuma's fault than dragons, dragon couldnt risk a war and sacrifice a bunch of men for one person especially when the revolutionary army was still growing in power, Kuma literally could of poofed in grabbed Ginny and poofed back out, they knew the celestials took her and they knew where mariejose was, aint like they got tight security in the Holyland

Fishertiger broke in and freed a bunch of slaves

Lafayette broke in when they had the warlord meeting after crocodiles defeat

Rocks got to the boss level room (100% certain the flower room is where Luffy will have a final fight with imu)

Sabo and a gaggle of revolutionaries broke in and out with Kuma, while freeing slaves and escaped imu and the gorosei

Not to mention even Bonney a literal child managed to sneak in and out

Kuma could of easily got in and got out

@Kumathegoat