Speculations The man with the burn scar

wh0rgeous

wh0rgeous

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I know there are several rumors floating around about Scooper Gaban being the man marked by flames, which is possible, however Im almost positive that the man marked by flames is one of these 2:


Doringo from the Roger Pirates or





Millet from the Roger Pirates.


The reason being is that Oda loves Vicke The Viking and Dragonquest.


At the end of Vicke, on the last island of their journey they found ancient eggs that later hatched






And in Dragonquest (this season was done completely with Akira Toriyama, who got angry cause they didnt pay him) they found the worlds last Dragon Egg, who if you murder it and drink it's blood, you gain eternal life. (which may explain where all the dragons went in One Piece)




Once the dragon hatched it had the standard storm related powers however before Baramos, the Arch fiend could flood the world, it grew to full size and went crazy.







As I recall Oda made a note stating that the egg on Roger's ship had hatched.



But we know the egg was still on the ship when Roger disbanded the pirates.

But we also know what happened at the battle of Edd War





In the midst of their battle, a sudden hurricane hit the area, destroying half of Shiki's fleet and giving Shiki part of a steering wheel stuck in his hard head, forcing his crew to retreat.


And allegedly the man with the burn scar according to Laffitte, Hinokizu is said to be able to create ocean vortexes while sailing which swallow up any ships that come too close to him.

Whichever Roger pirate it is, they clearly got burned as the Dragon grew up, and or hatched.


Since we are going into Elbaf, it's probably Millet, but because of the viking aesthetic and edd war first appearance it could be Doringo. Either way it's clearly a former Roger pirate or someone with that egg.

In a crazy world it could be Akainu's father who may have left the marines to protect the poneglyph and be a pirate and hating him Sakazuki burned him. Who knows, but it's just my two cents.

THAT SAID: If I were betting like my check?
It's definitely Millet. Why?
Shiryu said that Hinokizu works for the World Government
We are going into Elbaf and Millet looks like a Viking.
Look at the skulls on Shiryu's outfit


Look at the skull on Millet's outfit


So ya, it's Millet.
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OykotsTreasure

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I agree that The Man Marked By Flames is probably a member of Roger's old crew. But, I can't believe you skipped over the biggest, most important crewmember of all!

Personally, I'm betting on The Man Marked By Flames being...the Oro Jackson itself!

Specifically, the klabautermann of the Oro Jackson.

For one thing, we really haven't done anything with klabautermann at all since Enies Lobby. If they're going to be important to the story, we need them to come back into it ASAP. Otherwise, the Merry's sacrifice is a touching, but kind of odd, tangent to the story.

Second, if it was the spirit of the Oro Jackson, then it might have the Egg or whatever hatched from it, along with it as a travelling buddy. We get to solve two mysteries in one.

Third. we still have no idea what happened to the Oro Jackson. One of the most famous ships in the entire world and we have no idea what happened to it. Not even a offhand mention of the Marines sinking it or something. It just disappears from the story.

Fourth, the Oro Jackson most likely would have formed a klabautermann. We know not all ships get one, only ones that are especially cared for. And Roger and his crew seem like the type of people who would have cared for their ship enough to get a klabautermann.

Fifth, the Oro Jackson went everywhere that Roger did. Therefore, it would know the location of all the Poneglyphs, and thusly could take one in order to protect it. Maybe the Oro Jackson wanted to make sure that no one "unworthy" got to Laugh Tale and wanted to protect the place for his former master. Maybe whatever hatched from the Egg helped load the Poneglyph onto itself. It's a little awkward, but this is One Piece, so it's possible.

Sixth, if the Oro Jackson has been sailing around as a "ghost-ship" this entire time, it would actually make sense if it had a bunch of battle-damage from various fights. Plus, if the Egg turned out to be a Dragon or something then maybe it burned the ship? And it would no longer have a crew that could repair it, so it would just keep getting worse. And that battle-damage could be reflected as "scars" on the Klabautermann's body. We really don't know how that works.

Seventh, a klabautermann could, in theory, keep sailing around the seas without having to ever stop, like The Man Marked By Flames is said to do. They don't seem to need to eat or rest. So, the Oro Jackson would never need to anchor at any port, in order to resupply or feed themselves. They could sail non-stop without much in the way of problem.


I just think it'd be neat. I can't say for certain that's the way Oda's going to go. But, i do think it's possible.
 
wh0rgeous

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I have and it make no sense. It's like AI wrote it specifically to have all the buzz terms in the One Piece community for engagement which is like lame. There is no foreshadowing or even logic. Are you just advertising for them or?
 
wh0rgeous

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OykotsTreasure said:
I agree that The Man Marked By Flames is probably a member of Roger's old crew. But, I can't believe you skipped over the biggest, most important crewmember of all!

Personally, I'm betting on The Man Marked By Flames being...the Oro Jackson itself!

Specifically, the klabautermann of the Oro Jackson.

For one thing, we really haven't done anything with klabautermann at all since Enies Lobby. If they're going to be important to the story, we need them to come back into it ASAP. Otherwise, the Merry's sacrifice is a touching, but kind of odd, tangent to the story.

Second, if it was the spirit of the Oro Jackson, then it might have the Egg or whatever hatched from it, along with it as a travelling buddy. We get to solve two mysteries in one.

Third. we still have no idea what happened to the Oro Jackson. One of the most famous ships in the entire world and we have no idea what happened to it. Not even a offhand mention of the Marines sinking it or something. It just disappears from the story.

Fourth, the Oro Jackson most likely would have formed a klabautermann. We know not all ships get one, only ones that are especially cared for. And Roger and his crew seem like the type of people who would have cared for their ship enough to get a klabautermann.

Fifth, the Oro Jackson went everywhere that Roger did. Therefore, it would know the location of all the Poneglyphs, and thusly could take one in order to protect it. Maybe the Oro Jackson wanted to make sure that no one "unworthy" got to Laugh Tale and wanted to protect the place for his former master. Maybe whatever hatched from the Egg helped load the Poneglyph onto itself. It's a little awkward, but this is One Piece, so it's possible.

Sixth, if the Oro Jackson has been sailing around as a "ghost-ship" this entire time, it would actually make sense if it had a bunch of battle-damage from various fights. Plus, if the Egg turned out to be a Dragon or something then maybe it burned the ship? And it would no longer have a crew that could repair it, so it would just keep getting worse. And that battle-damage could be reflected as "scars" on the Klabautermann's body. We really don't know how that works.

Seventh, a klabautermann could, in theory, keep sailing around the seas without having to ever stop, like The Man Marked By Flames is said to do. They don't seem to need to eat or rest. So, the Oro Jackson would never need to anchor at any port, in order to resupply or feed themselves. They could sail non-stop without much in the way of problem.


I just think it'd be neat. I can't say for certain that's the way Oda's going to go. But, i do think it's possible.
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Why would he have a burn scar and work for the marines?
 
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OykotsTreasure

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The burn scar would be because what damages the ship might show up as damage on his "human" body. The damage the ship took over the decades of sailing the high seas would be reflected in the klabautermann's "personification" while piloting himself. The "human" form that the Oro Jackson manifests would look scarred because the ship, itself, has sustained damaged, and thusly damaged the klabautermann.

We saw with how the Merry helped repaired itself on Skypeia that a ship can't just repair itself like a human body can. A ship can't just "will" boards and nails into itself. It needs to manifest some sort of physical body in order to effect it's own ship-body. It needs to create a "second" body with hands and feet in order to hammer planks and boards onto itself. So, in order to pilot itself, a klabautermann would have to manifest a humanlike-body in order to steer it's ship-body.

...Does that make any sense? I'll admit this is all a very strange idea. And we never saw the Merry's klabautermann look damaged while the Merry was damaged, but we also never got a good look at it. So, it may or may not actually work the way I'm describing. We don't know all that much about klabautermann, since they haven't come up all that often in the story.



As for working for the Marines....I'll admit I'm leaving that part out of the theory. That was just speculation on Shiryu's part, after all. That's not a known fact. (Chapter 1081)

But, just for the sake of argument, maybe the Oro Jackson is "working for the Marines" by keeping the last Road Poneglyph away from everyone? Maybe that was one of Roger's last requests that just so happens to line up with the World Government's wishes.

It's always struck me as a little odd that the rest of Roger's crew was able to get off basically scott free. It seems like pretty much everyone already knows where Rayleigh lives, for example. The Marines don't seem to actively hunt them down. They're all able to live relatively peaceful lives. So, maybe Roger struck some sort of peace deal with the Marines? He'd turn himself in, and make sure no one could find this Poneglyph, and the rest of his crew is allowed to live their lives in peace. I mean, Roger's crew already know how things are planned to play out already because they've already been to Laugh Tale. They know what the plan is. And probably what the future holds, to some extent. Even keeping the last Poneglyph away from everyone can't stop destiny from happening.

The Oro Jackson's klabautermann would then be fulfilling Roger's last request. Which, I just find touching. Ships in One Piece usually make us cry. If the Oro Jackson does turn out to be The Man Marked By Flames, then I expect his backstory to make us all cry, too.
 
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wh0rgeous said:
I have and it make no sense. It's like AI wrote it specifically to have all the buzz terms in the One Piece community for engagement which is like lame. There is no foreshadowing or even logic. Are you just advertising for them or?
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Have you considered the fact that what you said about Kusoland's theory could maybe also be applied onto your theory if someone does not like it?

I am just fascinated by the effort Kusoland did to put together such a cinematic and reasonable theory. For me it is recency bias so if I see a new theory about the burn scar man or Imu, I'd like to point people towards that theory too. (Sorry for the timing on your theory)

About your theory, it is good if you believe in it and it's always nice to see some new options and exotic ideas been thrown around. Whether they stick or not is another thing. For me personally it is a niche theory, nothing that blew my mind, also sadly due to bias probably lol.

And no, I am not advertising for them, I am doing this on my own accord. I see people being interested in Hinokizu, so I thought it is aight to share a Hinokizu theory to them. Sorry for thinking you and your readers could possibly be interested in a Hinokizu theory.
 
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