Break Week The Marco Vs Big Mom Clash-Why Marco Was Winning

Who looked superior from this clash?

  • Marco

    Votes: 53 30.6%
  • Big Mom

    Votes: 106 61.3%
  • Neither

    Votes: 14 8.1%

  • Total voters
    173
I'm not sure why people are making a big deal about a grab. Luffy also grabbed Katakuri to drag him into the mirror world.
and Luffy won that particular confrontation and forced Kata to stay away from the sunny

We're discussing who looked better , and BM grabbing Marco effortlessly like that make it more likely that in a prolonged fight she will have advantage in CQC

and it's not like there's any chance Marco would dominate BM like Katakuri did to Luffy, so that grab definitely mean more
 
and Luffy won that particular confrontation and forced Kata to stay away from the sunny

We're discussing who looked better , and BM grabbing Marco effortlessly like that make it more likely that in a prolonged fight she will have advantage in CQC

and it's not like there's any chance Marco would dominate BM like Katakuri did to Luffy, so that grab definitely mean more
I don't think anyone is arguing that Big Mom wouldn't win a prolonged fight, and her grabbing Marco is nothing to write home about in this encounter when she asked someone else to step in to attack him.

It's just like Luffy grabbing Katakuri before the mirror world wouldn't have been particularly noteworthy. He had to grab Brulee to pull both himself and Katakuri into the mirror world but no damage was done.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing that Big Mom wouldn't win a prolonged fight, and her grabbing Marco is nothing to write home about in this encounter when she asked someone else to step in to attack him.

It's just like Luffy grabbing Katakuri before the mirror world wouldn't have been particularly noteworthy. He had to grab Brulee to pull both himself and Katakuri into the mirror world but no damage was done.
no damage was done because BM didn't even try to attack and her plan is to order pero to finish him quickly

trying to damage him herself would take time since he can regenerate

BM grabbing Marco by the neck and him not being able to release himself show that in CQC she's superior, she literally immobilized him in an instant hence she looked superior in the confrontation
 
and Luffy won that particular confrontation and forced Kata to stay away from the sunny

We're discussing who looked better , and BM grabbing Marco effortlessly like that make it more likely that in a prolonged fight she will have advantage in CQC

and it's not like there's any chance Marco would dominate BM like Katakuri did to Luffy, so that grab definitely mean more
LoL if he can give BM a prolonged fight then Marco>Katakuri
 
What does it indicate exactly? Lol

She couldn’t finish or defeat him, or else she wouldn’t have asked Perospero to do it for her.

And she outright admitted that she needs souls to fight Marco, and Marco can destroy the souls that she needs to fight on par with Marco lol. So in other words, she is only capable of fighting evenly with Marco if Marco doesn’t destroy her Homies. Which Marco can do on accident.
BM asked Cracker and Brûlée to take care of Luffy. Does this mean that BM thought she couldn’t have done so herself?
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
So is nobody else thinking Oden's power level has been overhyped by some people because of his performance against Kaido? I doubt many people say that Oden is only marginally stronger than Marco, but maybe he actually is? :zorothink:
Oden was losing most of the fight Kaido, he only really landed one hit on Kaido. Marco was technically beating Big Mom and didn’t have any trouble with her at all.

I’ve always said Oden was only YC2, and that’s looking stronger than ever right now.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Oden was losing most of the fight Kaido, he only really landed one hit on Kaido. Marco was technically beating Big Mom and didn’t have any trouble with her at all.

I’ve always said Oden was only YC2, and that’s looking stronger than ever right now.
Eh, I think he was rougly on the level of the other YC1s - maybe more like Benn Beckman before Marco was old enough to take the spot.

But I kinda feel like this chapter took the wind out of the sails of the people who said he was on the level of Primebeard and Roger, or a mid top tier or whatever.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Eh, I think he was rougly on the level of the other YC1s - maybe more like Benn Beckman before Marco was old enough to take the spot.

But I kinda feel like this chapter took the wind out of the sails of the people who said he was on the level of Primebeard and Roger, or a mid top tier or whatever.
Yeah I agree, I didn’t ever think Oden was top tier. People were basically arguing he was a top tier because he managed to land one hit on Kaido while enduring Kaido’s weak ass offense for hours, but I never bought into it.

There’s a reason Whitebeard gave Marco the first division spot over Oden despite Marco being young and inexperienced at the time, and this chapter we saw that Marco is strong enough to make a Yonko run away from him.
 
Makes much more sense in the Viz. Marco was able to match BM due to his matchup advantage, and when she negated that advantage by not using Prometheus anymore she instantly immobilised Marco with ease.

She then left the battle because she had other priorities and stated she didn't have the soul weapons to waste on Marco as opposed to not having the weapons to deal with him.

Marco also wasn't as worried about Pero's arrow in the Viz which makes more sense - all he said was "well, this is great". Overall Big Mom definitely looked superior in my opinion, but Marco seemed capable regardless and BM implied she'd need to use weapons to beat him when she absolutely destroyed Queen without weapons earlier in the arc for example.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝕮𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝕳𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖓
I'll just copy what I already said.
The Marco vs Linlin clash seems to be going on for some time.

It most likely started here, back in chapter 992

Enough times has passed that Peros could get up above his initial position from next to Mama

to above ground

Linlin and Perospero seemed to have planned the assault on Marco, as each knew what they need to do, Linlin grabbing hold of Marco and Perospero having an arrow ready, and Linlin instructing him to do it and Peros noting he employed Mama's help

So it's a confirmed 2 on 1 against Marco.

As for the clash.

Marco matched Linlin's elemental attack head on causing destruction, with Linlin having access to all of her 3 homies

Destroyed her weapon
Prompting Linlin to double team him with her son
however, due to the interference of the sulong minks and them neutralizing Peros
Linlin decided to flee the scene
Due to the fan translation some people said she left for a more worthy adversary, however the Viz cleared it up. She didn't want the smoke and after having her advantage of another combatant on her side being neutralized she ran away because she, in her own words, could not deal with Marco now because she didn't have the soul weapons necessary to do it.

To draw a conclusion
> Clash starts out evenly
> Marco destroys one of her weapons
> Linlin uses her son to help her take care of Marco
> After having her 2vs1 advantage neutralized due to the sulong minks she flees the scene
> Tells Marco he can kill her another time
> Tells him she cannot defeat him now​
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Yeah I agree, I didn’t ever think Oden was top tier. People were basically arguing he was a top tier because he managed to land one hit on Kaido while enduring Kaido’s weak ass offense for hours, but I never bought into it.

There’s a reason Whitebeard gave Marco the first division spot over Oden despite Marco being young and inexperienced at the time, and this chapter we saw that Marco is strong enough to make a Yonko run away from him.
When was it ever said marco was 1st division commander as a kid when oden was there ???

Bbs given burgess the 1st division and shiryu just like oden the 2nd division
I can guarantee burgess will never be > shiryu

The way i see it
Primebeard - oden
Oldbeard - marco

And im sorry if kaido is a top tier theres no way oden isnt. Especially after the chapters previous where to this day hes not over what oden did to him and admittied he would have died then.
 
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