Controversial The misconception of immortality.

[PrimordialGod95]

In theory, eternal youth is not immortality, which is a much wider concept.

don't both of them have everything to do with not aging.

Tolkien Elfs have eternal youth (kind of, they can age somehow, but outside specific circumstances they cannot die of old age)

at the age getting technically it shouldn't be enternal youth right?

Gorosei seems to have both, with limits (we know now for sure the regen/immortality can be overcome.

yeah but their powers are borrowed from Imu they don't naturally have it.

HK seems to have only immortality, but not eternal youth.

we don't know much about the holy knights as of yet.

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Basic common knowledge yet everyone is disagreeing with you

then he also that common knowledge. You probably also believe religion is also true right? I mean if you8 using that type of logic.

This is no different from the Monster Trio/Weak Trio argument, even when the evidence is right in your face you continue to argue against it

because it's not translated in English and it's not publish anywhere so why would I use it.

either because you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing or because you're mentally incapable of admitting when you're wrong.

I can't admit something that's not commonly seen.

 

[Daniel]

yeah but their powers are borrowed from Imu they don't naturally have it.

This is simply immortality tied to a specific situation/scenario or dependent on someone else providing or maintaining it.

The Gorosei would technically be considered immortal, even if it'd be tied to Imu's ability to provide it for them.

Edit: Instead of different levels of Immortality, it would be more accurate to say that there are different "types" instead.

 

[Dragon777]

don't both of them have everything to do with not aging.

Depends on the meaning.

Immortality sometimes means just they can regen from damage physical damage, but they can die just fine with, idk, Soul damage in some worlds/power sistems.

at the age getting technically it shouldn't be enternal youth right?

Tolkien Elfs in theory reach a certain age and then stop aging, but it's more related to the Elf's way of seeing the world.
Some do actually look older and in some way they "became" older, even though they cannot die of old age technically.

yeah but their powers are borrowed from Imu they don't naturally have it.

Sure.

we don't know much about the holy knights as of yet.

We don't, but we have factually seen Garling getting older while being an HK.

And probably Sommers too.

 

[PrimordialGod95]

We don't, but we have factually seen Garling getting older while being an HK.

And probably Sommers too.

Just because they have regenerative abilities doesn't mean they are technically immortal.

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Instead of different levels of Immortality, it would be more accurate to say that there are different "types" instead.

Yes exactly

 

[Dragon777]

Just because they have regenerative abilities doesn't mean they are technically immortal.

I am not saying they are. In fact, I am saying the opposite: Gorosei are, HK aren't and can just regen from damage.
They are still beholden to the passage of time.

 

[Roo]

Basic common knowledge yet everyone is disagreeing with you

Yeah the guy is so fucking unaware is kinda sad. I don’t want to diagnose anyone but my comment earlier might be close to the truth

 

[PrimordialGod95]

I am not saying they are. In fact, I am saying the opposite: Gorosei are, HK aren't and can just regen from damage.
They are still beholden to the passage of time.

for the gorosei I can probably see that since they had a higher position than the holy knights so is more likely for them to be immortal than the holy knights are. I mean just look how old a few of those gorosei members are.

 

[Daniel]

@PrimordialGod95 Why did you create this thread anyways?

If this is about how immortality as an ability is meant to work only in One Piece, then this might not be the right section for it.

But I assume you're trying to discuss how the ability works in general, rather than how it's supposed to work in specific verse.

 

[NicoRobinIsQueen]

Your thread is kinda dumb, there isn’t 1 type of immortality, there are types of immortality, like for example this

Several types of immortality exist
1: Longevity


Longevity is the power to live a long time. People gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes, old age, illnesses etc, but can be killed by unnatural causes.

Examples include Kakuzu from Naruto, Odin from Marvel Comics, Shadow the Hedgehog from Sonic the Hedgehog

2: Immortality without regeneration


This type of immortality is not useful for combat. Essentially bodily harm cannot kill you but your original form can be mutilated. An immortal of this category can be maimed and rendered useless in battle. If the character in question has high durability then this type of immortality can be more useful.

Example: Voldemort from Harry Potter, Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy, Hidan from Naruto.

3: Immortality via regeneration


You can maim the person, kill him etc and he'll still come back. This type of immortality hinges on how well the character can regenerate. Most high tier regeneration grants immortality.

Example: Reload from Biomega, Alucard from Hellsing, Dark Schneider from Bastard!!, and Wolverine from Marvel Comics.

4: Immortality via Godhood or protection from a deity


This kind of immortality is granted by a God or is given by virtue of Godhood. Only a God of higher status can override it.

Example: Juggernaut from Marvel Comics, Lucifer Morningstar from DC/Vertigo Comics.

5: Perfect Immortality


Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as erasing the target's existence or "killing" them on higher levels of existence are needed to destroy them.

Example: The One Above All from Marvel Comics, The Presence from DC/Vertigo Comics, Kami Tenchi from Tenchi Muyo!

6: Parasitic


The person attains a sort of immortality by bodyhopping, transferring their soul to another body.

Example: Orochimaru from Naruto, Violator from Image Comics, Darth Sidious from Star Wars (Legends), and Dante from Fullmetal Alchemist's first anime.

7: Undead


Self explanatory. The undead generally double up with other types of immortality. Zombies may possess similar resistances to the "Immortality Only" category. Ghosts occasionally double up with "Perfect Immortality" as they can not usually be killed again.

Example: Ghosts and Inferi in Harry Potter, Jason Voorhees from Friday the 13th.

The likes of Voldemort and Hidan dont have regen hence their immortality is kinda "useless"

W @Steven even tho zombies usually can be killed, in most fiction such as walking dead, it’s usually ghosts or spirits, and isn’t Jason a demon? I haven’t seen the movies, not a horror fan.

 

[Steven]

W @Steven even tho zombies usually can be killed, in most fiction such as walking dead, it’s usually ghosts or spirits, and isn’t Jason a demon? I haven’t seen the movies, not a horror fan.

Yeah,Zombies has in most fiction a weakness how to get rid of them.Common trope is destroy their brain.

 

[PrimordialGod95]

If this is about how immortality as an ability is meant to work only in One Piece, then this might not be the right section for it.

this is speaking on immortality in general not specifically just in one piece.

But I assume you're trying to discuss how the ability works in general, rather than how it's supposed to work in specific verse.

yes exactly that there's always a topic of characters with regenerative abilities most of the times most people or fans assume they are immortal or that being immortal grants them regenerative abilities. This is what's my argument was about.

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Your thread is kinda dumb, there isn’t 1 type of immortality, there are types of immortality, like for example this

I'd already explained it you can have a person that is immortal without healing abilities because that's not what it means. Humans themselves have regenerative healing to a certain extent but it is very limited.