Powers & Abilities The No Haki, Haki Battleship Bag Training..

[Herrera95]

So Aokiji got stronger and never awakened Haki..

Never said that. We can't know if he had haki on that flashback. Just that. But yes he became stronger. As strong as Garp or almost. That without haki.

 

[Rootbeer]

Never said that. We can't know if he had haki on that flashback. Just that. But yes he became stronger. As strong as Garp or almost. That without haki.

You don't make sense, Haki is not something that can magically be switched on and off, Especially when you're trying to punch through steel and give it all your might, willpower.. Strenght and CoA are proportionally connected to one another.. The more Strenght you put into something the more likely there will be CoA involved and vice versa..

 

[Herrera95]

You don't make sense, Haki is not something that can magically be switched on and off, Especially when you're trying to punch through steel and give it all your might, willpower.. Strenght and CoA are proportionally connected to one another.. The more Strenght you put into something the more likely there will be CoA involved and vice versa..

Haki is exactly something that can magically switch on or off. Person choses when and how to use.

The flashbacks never implied that Garp had any trouble not using haki or that Aokiji would have once he learns haki.

Amnesia Big Mom using her full force without haki is more than cannon information for you to shut up about your headcannon.

 

[Rootbeer]

Haki is exactly something that can magically switch on or off. Person choses when and how to use.

That's where were fundamentally disagree then..

There are not enough evidence in One Piece to prove either way so far i think..

Big Mom's state of mind reverted to when she didn't have Haki, you don't have a point.. But it's interesting to think about..

 

[Herrera95]

That's where were fundamentally disagree then..

There are not enough evidence in One Piece to prove either way so far i think..

Big Mom's state of mind reverted to when she didn't have Haki, you don't have a point.. But it's interesting to think about..

Yes there is. Plenty of times where haki users are simply not using haki.

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes there is. Plenty of times where haki users are simply not using haki.

If your examples are Swordsmen, it's not optimal comparison..

 

[Herrera95]

If your examples are Swordsmen, it's not optimal comparison..

Never said a shit about swordsmen and they are enough example.

Big Mom. Kid. Law. Queen. Lots of examples.

 

[Rootbeer]

Never said a shit about swordsmen and they are enough example.

Big Mom. Kid. Law. Queen. Lots of examples.

I would need examples for Kid and Law because they just don't have the greatest Haki.. Queen's scientific powers are his main arsenal.. Haki was irrelevant for his fight..

 

[Herrera95]

I would need examples for Kid and Law because they just don't have the greatest Haki.. Queen's scientific powers are his main arsenal.. Haki was irrelevant for his fight..

Doesn't matter if they don't have the greatest haki or if it isn't heir main arsenal.

Aokiji main arsenal is his DF. And here you are saying that he would have hard time not using haki when 99% of the time he isn't using it.

 

[Rootbeer]

Doesn't matter if they don't have the greatest haki or if it isn't heir main arsenal.

Aokiji main arsenal is his DF. And here you are saying that he would have hard time not using haki when 99% of the time he isn't using it.

Queen, Law and Kid's Haki are like 3% of their Power in battle, it's irrelevant..

 

[Herrera95]

Queen, Law and Kid's Haki are like 3% of their Power in battle, it's irrelevant..

Doesn't matter. That was never your argument. And Aokiji haki is less than 1% of his power in battle. We also have Garp hakiless punching Shiryuu.

 

[Rootbeer]

Doesn't matter. That was never your argument. And Aokiji haki is less than 1% of his power in battle. We also have Garp hakiless punching Shiryuu.

Well Aokiji and Garp was not a real fight so..

 

[Herrera95]

Well Aokiji and Garp was not a real fight so..

Yes it was. But that isn't even the question. This is all you do. Headcannon. Than attacking people without counter argument and then change the subject of discussion.

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes it was. But that isn't even the question. This is all you do. Headcannon. Than attacking people without counter argument and then change the subject of discussion.

I mean i just don't get your point then.. Spell out your argument clearly once more..

 

[Herrera95]

I mean i just don't get your point then.. Spell out your argument clearly once more..

You know pretty well.

Nothing on manga says that is hard to not use haki when using full strength.

 

[Rootbeer]

You know pretty well.

Nothing on manga says that is hard to not use haki when using full strength.

And again nothing say the contrary either.. I will do research on that though..

 

[Herrera95]

And again nothing say the contrary either.. I will do research on that though..

Of course not. Is like saying "nothing says Unicorns are real but nothing says they aren't real too". You can proof something that doesn't exist that it simply doesn't exist. Because it doesn't exist.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The battleships bags training was not using Haki or special abilities.

It's the training that improves your physical strength.

Armament Haki can be amplified by physical strength.

 

[AlmightyGunther43]

It's Doriki.

Doriki is a unit of measurement used by CP9 to directly determine someones level of physical power.

They were heightening this element. It is directly related to the physical strength of a person, and if a person who has high Doriki uses a Haki attack it will be amplified.

Koby amplified his Haki-based attack with the element of Doriki.

Does this make sense?

They didn't use Haki or Devil Fruits because it distorts the estimation of Doriki a person has.

A common armed soldier on average has around 10 Doriki, and according to Spandam, a Doriki of 500 or higher is classed as superhuman.

Koby's Doriki resembles Garp's. So, I suspect Koby's Doriki count is like idk... Over 9000?

Here are examples of CP9s Doriki count when they were at Enies Lobby.

It's actually fairly reliable to suggest Koby's Doriki count is around 9,000 meanwhile Garp's is more like 12,000 or more.

Mathematically, it can go like this...

Koby equals at least +500 more than Rob Lucci did at Enies Lobby. So, we can suggest he is worth 4500 points. Then, you have to consider the element in the equation that considers Garp. His feat that resembles Garp's strength grants him bonus points in relation to how much it would take to knock Koby out at that time which is 4501. So, it becomes 4500 +4501.

 

[Necrohol]

To me it clearly is.