Powers & Abilities The real answer as to Zoro's haki in Alabasta

Sigran101

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Let's just end the debate now. Here's the answer.

No, Zoro didn't have haki, because Oda hadn't thought of haki yet. Haki was clearly a last minute ass pull that Oda made up just before it was introduced. Enel didn't have haki for the same reason. Zoro couldn't have damaged Crocodile or Enel back then because the only way to damage them was seastone or their specific weakness. Then in the timeskip and later Wano, Oda thought it would be cool to tie observation haki and ryou back to mantra and the breath of all things, and didn't care enough about powerscaling to consider the implications. Whether or not breath of all things is haki, Alabasta Zoro did not have access to any other haki abilities because they simply didn't exist as a concept.
 
Sigran101

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JDragon20 said:


Kuinas dad tells Zoro what the pinnacle of swordsmanship to him, ryuo, the power to cut what you want to cut and to protect what you want to protect. The same thing Hyogoro tells luffy in Udon when he teaches him ryuo.
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Yes, before Oda thought of Haki. I'm just saying it's a retcon and therefore doesn't count in the context of Alabasta.
 
Rukusho

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Zoro displayed CoO + CoA

He makes his blade not cut a tree branch afterwards he sliced a rock in half then cuts Steel.

This is part of being the pinnacle of swordsmanship.

 
Erkan12

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HA001 said:
He did have haki. Just in shi shi son son. He thought it was ONLY for cutting steel.
If he used shi shi son son on a logia he'd cut them
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It was only for cutting steel.

We literally see different variants of Haki, similar to Usopp using aura sight observation, but can't use regular observation.

Thats the only logical explanation. Once a Haki user starts to use Haki, its simple they keep using it. Nobody taught how to use Haki to Kid, Law etc. Unless you claim Z0lo is the dumbest guy amongst all Haki users then that could be an argument :milaugh:

Rukusho said:
Zoro displayed CoO + CoA

He makes his blade not cut a tree branch afterwards he sliced a rock in half then cuts Steel.

This is part of being the pinnacle of swordsmanship.

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Regular CoO is for living beings. Once Luffy didn't think anything, Enel couldn't sense his movements. Z0lo's sword is not a living being.

Thats either another skill, or different variant observation similar to Usopp's aura sight.
 
ShadowStyle369

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Sigh this is ridiculous crocodile would have been cut down just like daz bones… enel on the other hand was not because the author never let him use the technique again until near death and to save luffy from kuma.

look at zoros words in viz he says the earth itself breathing (shows picture of soil)

if you don’t believe that then look at Stephen Paul translation


https://web.archive.org/web/2009032...ascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter195.txt
Zoro: {The falling rock was like a living thing... I felt its presence...
Not presence... it was stronger than that... just like...
"BREATH"...
The breath... of rock....
Trees have the breath of trees.
Soil has the breath of...
Is that what he meant...?}

Google anything about soil and you will learn that sand is a type of soil

so as long as crocodile pushes zoro to the brink of death just like daz bones did which I do not think anyone would disagree with. Our boy crocodile with the sand sand fruit is getting cut down all the same just like daz bones.

 
HA001

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Erkan12 said:
It was only for cutting steel.

We literally see different variants of Haki, similar to Usopp using aura sight observation, but can't use regular observation.

Thats the only logical explanation. Once a Haki user starts to use Haki, its simple they keep using it. Nobody taught how to use Haki to Kid, Law etc. Unless you claim Z0lo is the dumbest guy amongst all Haki users then that could be an argument :milaugh:


Regular CoO is for living beings. Once Luffy didn't think anything, Enel couldn't sense his movements. Z0lo's sword is not a living being.

Thats either another skill, or different variant observation similar to Usopp's aura sight.
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No it's not just for cutting steel. It's haki as proven by hyougoro.
 
Erkan12

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HA001 said:
No it's not just for cutting steel. It's haki as proven by hyougoro.
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He can cut by hearing its breath, he didn't hear breath of Lightning, only Steel:


So thats only for cutting Steel.

Hyogoro didn't say any shit about its details LMAO.

Usopp can only use aura sight, same as Pre-TS Z0lo, only steel cutting.
 
HA001

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Erkan12 said:
He can cut by hearing its breath, he didn't hear breath of Lightning, only Steel:


So thats only for cutting Steel.

Hyogoro didn't say any shit about its details LMAO.
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word for word the same explanation cutting steel = ryou
Fucking ended you
 
Erkan12

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HA001 said:

word for word the same explanation cutting steel = ryou
Fucking ended you
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Dumbass, its a Haki for only 1 thing cutting steel, are you stupid? Thats like saying Usopp can use all types of Observation Haki, just because he used Aura Sight observation.

Z0lo himself said he cut Daz because he hear its steel breath. Thats incomplete for Pre-TS Z0lo.
 
HA001

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Erkan12 said:
Dumbass, its a Haki for only 1 thing cutting steel, are you stupid? Thats like saying Usopp can use all types of Observation Haki, just because he used Aura Sight observation.

Z0lo himself said he cut Daz because he hear its steel breath. Thats incomplete for Pre-TS Z0lo.
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No it's not dumbass. There isn't multiple coa variants to cut things lmfao
Koshiros heritage IS WANO he is taught the same thing hyogoro is cutting steel is haki
Zoro had haki
If he used shi shi son son on enel he'd kill enel
He just didn't know how logias work
 
Erkan12

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HA001 said:
No it's not dumbass. There isn't multiple coa variants to cut things lmfao
Koshiros heritage IS WANO he is taught the same thing hyogoro is cutting steel is haki
Zoro had haki
If he used shi shi son son on enel he'd kill enel
He just didn't know how logias work
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No he wouldn't, he needs to hear Lightning breath so he isn't doing that shit, his Haki was only for steel, not for other things.

You think Usopp can use other types of observation? LMAO
 
ShadowStyle369

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Erkan12 said:
Dumbass, its a Haki for only 1 thing cutting steel, are you stupid? Thats like saying Usopp can use all types of Observation Haki, just because he used Aura Sight observation.

Z0lo himself said he cut Daz because he hear its steel breath. Thats incomplete for Pre-TS Z0lo.
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Bruh u gotta be one of the biggest trolls here or something. I don’t understand ur logic what so ever, sure zoro in the moment heard the breath of steel, but he also heard other things


trees,rocks,the earth itself which is soil (in other words crocodile which is sand) if u throw enel in place of daz bones he gets cut down because he would have heard the breath of lightning in that moment.
 
HA001

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Erkan12 said:
No he wouldn't, he needs to hear Lightning breath so he isn't doing that shit, his Haki was only for steel, not for other things.

You think Usopp can use other types of observation? LMAO
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Why did hyou say it ONLY cuts steel then lmfao go on lerkan
 
Erkan12

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ShadowStyle369 said:
Bruh u gotta be one of the biggest trolls here or something. I don’t understand ur logic what so ever, sure zoro in the moment heard the breath of steel, but he also heard other things


trees,rocks,the earth itself which is soil (in other words crocodile which is sand) if u throw enel in place of daz bones he gets cut down because he would have heard the breath of lightning in that moment.
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Smart ass can't explain why Z0lo gets his shit pushed in :milaugh: But thinks he would cut Enel if he wanted.
HA001 said:
Why did hyou say it ONLY cuts steel then lmfao go on lerkan
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Hyo didn't give any detail dumbass, did someone say you can see Aura with Observation Haki, then it means Usopp can use all Observation types? Are you stupid?

We literally see Z0lo can't use regular Haki, only for cutting steel, you invent shit from your ass.
 
HA001

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Erkan12 said:
Smart ass can't explain why Z0lo gets his shit pushed in :milaugh: But thinks he would cut Enel if he wanted.

Hyo didn't give any detail dumbass, did someone say you can see Aura with Observation Haki, then it means Usopp can use all Observation types? Are you stupid?

We literally see Z0lo can't use regular Haki, only for cutting steel, you invent shit from your ass.
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Where do we see he can't
Zoro only has it for the one attack
Hyou didn't say there is MULTIPLE invisible powers did he dumb fuck
He showed luffy ryou and said its the ability to cut steel or not even a paper
 
ShadowStyle369

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Erkan12 said:
Smart ass can't explain why Z0lo gets his shit pushed in :milaugh: But thinks he would cut Enel if he wanted.

Hyo didn't give any detail dumbass, did someone say you can see Aura with Observation Haki, then it means Usopp can use all Observation types? Are you stupid?

We literally see Z0lo can't use regular Haki, only for cutting steel, you invent shit from your ass.
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Why would zoro hear the breath of lightning with no lightning around him at the moment??? Oda goes out of his way to show you that Zoro hears the breath of things around him. TREES,ROCKS,THE SOIL ITSELF,FINALLY THE BREATH OF STEEL THEN HE CUTS STEEL.

There is only one reason that I can come up with as for why zoro never used shishisonson against enel but used it against kuma and that is because he was near death vs kuma just like his battle with Mr 1, plus the need to save his captain. Which makes complete sense with Rayleigh and others saying haki blooms in battle. Zoro teacher saying the pinnacle of swordsmanship is the power to protect. Zoro in his moment vs kuma used the power again to protect his captain.
 
HA001

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ShadowStyle369 said:
Why would zoro hear the breath of lightning with no lightning around him at the moment??? Oda goes out of his way to show you that Zoro hears the breath of things around him. TREES,ROCKS,THE SOIL ITSELF,FINALLY THE BREATH OF STEEL THEN HE CUTS STEEL.

There is only one reason that I can come up with as for why zoro never used shishisonson against enel but used it against kuma and that is because he was near death vs kuma just like his battle with Mr 1, plus the need to save his captain. Which makes complete sense with Rayleigh and others saying haki blooms in battle. Zoro teacher saying the pinnacle of swordsmanship is the power to protect. Zoro in his moment vs kuma used the power again to protect his captain.
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Funnily enough skypia is the ONLY arc he doesn't use shi shi son son from alabasta to thriller bark cause its the only one where he faces a logia.
 
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