Powers & Abilities The real answer as to Zoro's haki in Alabasta

[DavyJones]

He's ALWAYS had haki in mind. Shanks mean dogging Lor D. Coast, Zoro Mr. 1, Garps punches hurting etc etc.

If I'm honest I think it was originally only Conquerors haki that was planned out, and it had the properties of all 3 when first thought up. He split em around Skypia where he played around with Mantra, which is obviously supposed to be proto observation haki. My idea isnt that haki was perfectly plotted, but was different originally and was sloppily changed later on.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Funnily enough skypia is the ONLY arc he doesn't use shi shi son son from alabasta to thriller bark cause its the only one where he faces a logia.

It’s funny that people use his skypia fight vs enel against him. Just a very quick read through (chapter 275,276) , oda goes out of his way to basically have Zoro Ko very quickly he never even gets the chance to get near death vs enel to use shishisonson (assuming that’s a prerequisite pre time skip) he technically gets two shot and then it’s luffy time to shine. Hell chapter 277 luffy himself was shocked that zoro was down for the count.

 

[HA001]

It’s funny that people use his skypia fight vs enel against him. Just a very quick read through (chapter 275,276) , oda goes out of his way to basically have Zoro Ko very quickly he never even gets the chance to get near death vs enel to use shishisonson (assuming that’s a prerequisite pre time skip) he technically gets two shot and then it’s luffy time to shine. Hell chapter 277 luffy himself was shocked that zoro was down for the count.

Why would he even use it.
For zoro he thinks it's just cutting steel. He doesn't know about logias. He uses it for tough bodies not just steel likenhe tried it on kaku and kuma who he didn't know was a cyborg until after he cut him

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Why would he even use it.
For zoro he thinks it's just cutting steel. He doesn't know about logias. He uses it for tough bodies not just steel likenhe tried it on kaku and kuma who he didn't know was a cyborg until after he cut him

Hmm I never thought about it like that tbh, but as a counter point I don’t think it really mattered if he knew about logias or not. In his moment to cut steel zoro comes to a realization that the things around him have breaths after hearing those breaths he ask himself Is this the power to cut steel? He then hears the breath of steel and knowing that his sword understands his will he takes a gamble will I cut steel or not let’s find out? Of course zoro cuts the steel. (Just to add Zoro hears the earth breathing, Stephen Paul translation says the soil therefore to me of crocodile pushes Zoro near death Zoro would come to the same conclusion and try to cut sand.)

I think it’s very important that oda doesn’t let Zoro reach this same state that he reached vs Mr 1, Zoro had to be taken out swiftly which is just what enel did otherwise he would have heard the breath of lightning at some point and cut him down.

vs kuma he was already near death add to that the need to protect his captain he pulls it off again, but it just so happens that kuma is not a regular human he is tougher than steel.

 

[HA001]

Hmm I never thought about it like that tbh, but as a counter point I don’t think it really mattered if he knew about logias or not. In his moment to cut steel zoro comes to a realization that the things around him have breaths after hearing those breaths he ask himself Is this the power to cut steel? He then hears the breath of steel and knowing that his sword understands his will he takes a gamble will I cut steel or not let’s find out? Of course zoro cuts the steel. (Just to add Zoro hears the earth breathing, Stephen Paul translation says the soil therefore to me of crocodile pushes Zoro near death Zoro would come to the same conclusion and try to cut sand.)

I think it’s very important that oda doesn’t let Zoro reach this same state that he reached vs Mr 1, Zoro had to be taken out swiftly which is just what enel did otherwise he would have heard the breath of lightning at some point and cut him down.

vs kuma he was already near death add to that the need to protect his captain he pulls it off again, but it just so happens that kuma is not a regular human he is tougher than steel.

Nah. He did it on a whim vs kaku when he wasn't in the life or death state.

 

[zorovsanji]

The fuck. Haki was already present since chapter 1

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Nah. He did it on a whim vs kaku when he wasn't in the life or death state.

Ahh that’s my bad I got my arcs a little mixed up
(Excuse the drinks ) but I don’t think that stops my argument wouldn’t u think by enies lobby zoro had a better understanding of cutting steel ??? That to me is what oda had zoro demonstrate vs kaku.

1. When oda has zoro cuts steel his first time in alabasta zoro doesn’t know for sure and gambles by chance and does it , afterwards he understands the need to pull on the power at any time otherwise he won’t be stronger.

2. In sky island oda never lets zoro use the ability because he is never pushed to his limit like he was vs Mr 1 he was simply ko to fast to hear the breath of lightning.

3. in enies lobby oda has zoro confidently says himself I’m going to break that iron body (clearly knows how to pull on that invisible power to cut steel) instead of kaku letting Zoro do it he is smart and responds with a tempest kick. Afterwards kaku says could you have cut me if I were steel it’s up to me to take an attack with iron body or use something else.

4. now in thriller bark zoro is already pushed to his limits from all the fighting, and the need to protect luffy, oda has him use the ability again to try and cut kuma to no avail of course.


Ultimately I think zoro can cut steel comfortably at this point but if u have arguing point against it let me hear them. Obviously to me he can coat his swords with haki and use them offensively to cut what he wants, but as Mihawk taught him it can also be used to protect his swords from breaks nicks and scratches as learned in the timeskip.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Plot

 

[Rivaille]

Yes, out of universe it is a retcon because Oda decided to link every weird power shown in pre-timeskip to Haki. But in-universe it means that Zoro could use CoA since Alabasta.

The why Zoro did not used it in-universe can be explained by Zoro not knowing what the power can do and how to use it at will (which he learned during the time skip).

This kind of retcon is to be expect in a such long story.

 

[Salah WG]

So Oda created Logia & didn't give Roger or Shanks any Ability to Counter them lol

 

[trav]

Cope thread ending in complete desaster as usual.

 

[hk1992]

Oda had Haki in mind from the day he invented logia users, simple af.

Otherwise smoker would neg diff lanks 24/7

 

[nik87]

Some people simply cant come to peace with the fact that Zoro is a hakiman half the Grand Line before Luffy...

 

[Rukusho]

Regular CoO is for living beings. Once Luffy didn't think anything, Enel couldn't sense his movements. Z0lo's sword is not a living being.

Thats either another skill, or different variant observation similar to Usopp's aura sight.

Is the Going Merry alive?

Yes or No.

 

[Moegara]

- Zoro does something that can be CoA and something that can be CoO in Arabasta.
- Followed by a scene of Zoro training "because he has trouble doing again whatever he did when he cut Mr.1"
- Followed by Jaya and Blackbeard namedropping haki.
- Followed by Skypiea with Mantra.
- After LRLL's short arc, we have Water 7, with Zoro "feeling Shusui from a distance without looking".
- After Enies Lobby, back to Water 7 with clear CoA: Garp punching Luffy "with mysterious punches that hit him as if he weren't made of rubber".
- Then a couple of arcs later we get to Sabaody, with both Luffy and Rayleigh demonstrating CoC.
- Then Amazon Lily with CoA and CoC
- Then after Enies Lobby, we have Marineford with CoA, CoC and CoO
- Then haki finally explained by Rayleigh.

When exactly was the "last minute" in which Oda came up with it?

 

[Erkan12]

Where do we see he can't
Zoro only has it for the one attack
Hyou didn't say there is MULTIPLE invisible powers did he dumb fuck
He showed luffy ryou and said its the ability to cut steel or not even a paper

You are still DUMB.

Luffy can't cut steel if he has a sword and breaks a sheet. He didn't learn that shit.

Thats a different sword skill set, they just call them all Ryou, similar to Usopp's Aura Sight is CoO too doesn't mean Usopp could use regular CoO in Dressrosa dumbass.

 

[HA001]

You are still DUMB.

Luffy can't cut steel if he has a sword and breaks a sheet. He didn't learn that shit.

Thats a different sword skill set, they just call them all Ryou, similar to Usopp's Aura Sight is CoO too doesn't mean Usopp could use regular CoO in Dressrosa dumbass.

Yes he can.
Hyogoro literally taught what HE SAYS is a swordsman technique used to cut steel to luffy WITHOUT a sword and its ryou.
This kills your argument.

 

[Erkan12]

Yes he can.
Hyogoro literally taught what HE SAYS is a swordsman technique used to cut steel to luffy WITHOUT a sword and its ryou.
This kills your argument.

Thats why you are ZKKretard Luffy can cut steel and not break a sheet with a sword huh? Say it louder so I can laugh more.

 

[HA001]

Thats why you are ZKKretard Luffy can cut steel and not break a sheet with a sword huh? Say it louder so I can laugh more.

I give you the panels to prove it you have no argument loser.

 

[Erkan12]

I give you the panels to prove it you have no argument loser.

Prove Luffy cutting steel and not breaking a sheet while using a sword if you weren't a ZKKbitch you would admit he couldn't. Why Mihawk doesn't ask Z0lo he can cut steel or not dumbass?