Character Discussion The Sabo Downplay

[Blazing Lion]

The last few chapters have really hurt Sabo's standing in the eyes of the fandom. Where he was once being considered equal to the Yonko due to his Flame Emperor epithet, he is now being put besides frauds like Law and Kidd, two SNs who were credited with taking down BM-Kaido by 2/3 and then getting one shot and mid diffed by Shanks and BB.

The reasons are that Sabo was not shown fighting the Admirals (it was Karasu and Morley) and he did not injure the Gorosei (at least till 1085). And that he is getting all the credit for the events at MJ including killing of Cobra.

I think people are jumping too quick on this. Last we see is Sabo on the floor after the attack but we know that he still somehow escaped alive. Sabo is one of those characters who is sort of guaranteed to be alive until the end game. Ace already died and Sabo inherited his DF and will. Oda is not going to kill him off after brining him back and him escaping twice already, one from MJ and then Lulusia attack.

How do you think Sabo was able to escape from those 6? I think (and hope) that we will get a hype feat from Sabo in next chapter.

 

[Xione]

Clownscaling aka agendascaling is the norm, and this is how it works:

-> Sabo does something to the Admiral -> Admiral gets bashed
-> Admiral does something to Sabo -> Sabo gets bashed
-> Sabo does something to the Gorosei -> Gorosei gets bashed
-> Gorosei do something Sabo -> Sabo gets bashed

Either way it's going to be a portion of the fandom pushing agenda, and the core of it will still be the "Yonko vs Admiral" debate, that's it.

I'm more irked by anyone who tried to hype up Sabo thinking he was going to have some insane feats at Mariejois, where he was sent on an GET IN AND GET OUT mission.... like holy shit man.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Clownscaling aka agendascaling is the norm, and this is how it works:

-> Sabo does something to the Admiral -> Admiral gets bashed
-> Admiral does something to Sabo -> Sabo gets bashed
-> Sabo does something to the Gorosei -> Gorosei gets bashed
-> Gorosei do something Sabo -> Sabo gets bashed

Either way it's going to be a portion of the fandom pushing agenda, and the core of it will still be the "Yonko vs Admiral" debate, that's it.

I'm more irked by anyone who tried to hype up Sabo thinking he was going to have some insane feats at Mariejois, where he was sent on an GET IN AND GET OUT mission.... like holy shit man.

Yeah, lol. I mostly have high hopes for Sabo based on his portrayal in DR (he was not Admiral level but stronger than everyone else in the arc), he is the reinsert of Ace and is getting called the Flame Emperor while Luffy becomes the Emperor.

I know there are some troll posters for these feats/anti-feats in every fandom, look at @Orojackson Refugee bashing Sanji via Wapol and Jabra thing and @Tejas for trolling Admirals. The problem is when these things become part of serious debates.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's probably plot armor that Sabo escapes somehow.

But I still have hope for Sabo.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I think all Sabo needs to do is get out of Pangaea castle. Imo there’s no way the gorosei would show these monstrous forms in public while all these royals from other countries are around it would ruin their image.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

In actuality if Sabo wants to escape, all he needs to do is just fly, his DF is perfect for that. Imu and Gorosei can't show up in the sky, so he will/can escape safely.

 

[Mathias]

There is definitely some plot armor involved for Sabo.

If Shanks can one-shot Kidd, I don't see how Sabo survived to that shadow-arrow + 6 high top tiers chasing him.

 

[Blazing Lion]

It's probably plot armor that Sabo escapes somehow.

But I still have hope for Sabo.

I think all Sabo needs to do is get out of Pangaea castle. Imo there’s no way the gorosei would show these monstrous forms in public while all these royals from other countries are around it would ruin their image.

In actuality if Sabo wants to escape, all he needs to do is just fly, his DF is perfect for that. Imu and Gorosei can't show up in the sky, so he will/can escape safely.

There is definitely some plot armor involved for Sabo.

If Shanks can one-shot Kidd, I don't see how Sabo survived to that shadow-arrow + 6 high top tiers chasing him.

Of course Sabo has plot armor and the reason I said that only Kizaru has a chance in the other thread of catching Sabo is precisely because Sabo can just fly away. But the plot required him to not do that when saving Cobra and hence Sabo is injured and Cobra is dead.

The good guys usually have quite a lot of plot armor.

My point is that so far Sabo has not shown any hype feat yet with his DF usage. Little time has passed since DR and Reverie and Sabo is being called the FLAME Emperor. We have very little on screen/panel showings of Sabo using his DF in front of civilians. So far he has had that clash with Fuji which was without an audience owing to how Fuji and Sabo fought. After that we have Sabo take out some guards in the castle and now his attack on the Gorosei. Which of these earn him the moniker of Flame Emperor? And this Flame Emperor is given after Reverie so the DR showing should also not directly count.

 

[Mathias]

Maybe it's too soon to know. Because we don't know what exact news Big News Morgan released to the world.

It's not really the "flame emperor" title that hyped him, but how his reputation supposedly surpassed Dragon's. Which could always be a wacky translation.

 

[gz89]

Its basically Admirals fans cope to downplay the Gorosei and elevate the Admirals.

Truth is that the Gorosei/Imu could end up as demigods/god or just another clown group, we just have to wait and see.
Egghead incident might solve this question but people shouldnt wank or downplay them with one incident.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

he was not Admiral level but stronger than everyone else in the arc

Was he?

 

[HellBlazer04]

I think the downplay is just temporary. It will go down after few days especially if we return to egghead in the next chapter. By the time Saturn and Kizaru make an appearance most people won't give a shit about this

 

[BlackLegFring]

It seems to be mostly just backlash for those claiming that Sabo fought the 2 Admirals. Basically just a response to those who were jumping to conclusions

 

[Blazing Lion]

Was he?

You can say Sabo = Luffy = Zoro. But he is not weaker than those two at the time in my eyes, Doffy is weaker at least.

 

[Herrera95]

Where he was once being considered equal to the Yonko due to his Flame Emperor epithet

Only retards really considered that. Lol.

Even people saying Sabo = Admiral were delusioning but at least they had questionable feats to sustain that.

Dude Sabo looked way better than Gorosei and Imu at chapter. His Hiken was enough to scary them and allow him to escape with Cobra. They caught up to him because he was slowed down carrying Cobra. That's why Cobra sacrificed himself so Sabo could escape.

Sabo just got up and run. Nothing special.
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You can say Sabo = Luffy = Zoro. But he is not weaker than those two at the time in my eyes, Doffy is weaker at least.

Never. Zoro > Luffy > Sabo. Sabo is clearly weaker. No way he is Yonko level like Luffy and Zoro. Luffy beated Kaido for God Sakes. Sabo would never. People has to stop the copium of Kaido fighting multiple times and that Luffy wouldn't beat a fresh Kaido. Of course he would.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Only retards really considered that. Lol.

Even people saying Sabo = Admiral were delusioning but at least they had questionable feats to sustain that.

Dude Sabo looked way better than Gorosei and Imu at chapter. His Hiken was enough to scary them and allow him to escape with Cobra. They caught up to him because he was slowed down carrying Cobra. That's why Cobra sacrificed himself so Sabo could escape.

Sabo just got up and run. Nothing special.
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Never. Zoro > Luffy > Sabo. Sabo is clearly weaker. No way he is Yonko level like Luffy and Zoro. Luffy beated Kaido for God Sakes. Sabo would never. People has to stop the copium of Kaido fighting multiple times and that Luffy wouldn't beat a fresh Kaido. Of course he would.

Agreed on the part where Sabo attacking the Gorosei and Im and getting away should be a plus for him instead of how people are painting it.

Sabo is now clearly weaker, he does not have ACoC whereas Luffy and Zoro do have. Zoro and Luffy have been shown/said to be equal throughout the manga, that's not changing.

Not sold on the Kaido vs Luffy thing. Usually I have no issue saying that Luffy has surpassed the previous arcs villain but this time I have to disagree. In none of the previous ones has the villain arc had to endure as much as Kaido.

And just think for a second what you are implying with your power scaling, you are saying Luffy is stronger than Kaido now, Luffy is the WSC but Zoro is stronger than Luffy so he is even stronger. And then you factor in that Zoro still has to beat Mihawk. In short are you saying it's Mihawk > Zoro > Luffy > Kaido?

I would really like to see your top 10/top 30.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I think only NDules retarded ass took the Flame Emperor Epithet seriously to the T

No one in their right mind will push Sabo to Yonko/Admiral caliber based off the recent chapters

 

[Herrera95]

Not sold on the Kaido vs Luffy thing. Usually I have no issue saying that Luffy has surpassed the previous arcs villain but this time I have to disagree. In none of the previous ones has the villain arc had to endure as much as Kaido.

And just think for a second what you are implying with your power scaling, you are saying Luffy is stronger than Kaido now, Luffy is the WSC but Zoro is stronger than Luffy so he is even stronger. And then you factor in that Zoro still has to beat Mihawk. In short are you saying it's Mihawk > Zoro > Luffy > Kaido?

Exactly. Mihawk > Zoro > Luffy > Kaido.

Kaido WSC until it proofs that also works for humans doesn't mean he was stronger than Mihawk for example. Way better swordsman than Oden that already gave Kaido PTSD and would end his life if they ever fight.

People says that Kaido endured too much on Onigashima which is true but forget that much of what he endured didn't made a shit to him. Pretty much 90% of attacks Kaido received were swallow. Only Zoro scarring him at 1010 and Luffy fight with him since 1010 and Yamato really counts for damage.

Not only that but people also forget how Luffy lost many times and even died while fighting him. This also taxes his body to the point he and Zoro had to sleep 1 week to recover.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

The last few chapters have really hurt Sabo's standing in the eyes of the fandom. Where he was once being considered equal to the Yonko due to his Flame Emperor epithet, he is now being put besides frauds like Law and Kidd, two SNs who were credited with taking down BM-Kaido by 2/3 and then getting one shot and mid diffed by Shanks and BB.

The reasons are that Sabo was not shown fighting the Admirals (it was Karasu and Morley) and he did not injure the Gorosei (at least till 1085). And that he is getting all the credit for the events at MJ including killing of Cobra.

I think people are jumping too quick on this. Last we see is Sabo on the floor after the attack but we know that he still somehow escaped alive. Sabo is one of those characters who is sort of guaranteed to be alive until the end game. Ace already died and Sabo inherited his DF and will. Oda is not going to kill him off after brining him back and him escaping twice already, one from MJ and then Lulusia attack.

How do you think Sabo was able to escape from those 6? I think (and hope) that we will get a hype feat from Sabo in next chapter.

He's going to use awakening, magma like flames powered by Ace's haki. Anti Papazuki agenda is going to be off the charts.

 

[Blazing Lion]

He's going to use awakening, magma like flames powered by Ace's haki. Anti Papazuki agenda is going to be off the charts.

Ace's haki? I see what you cooking.
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Exactly. Mihawk > Zoro > Luffy > Kaido.

Kaido WSC until it proofs that also works for humans doesn't mean he was stronger than Mihawk for example. Way better swordsman than Oden that already gave Kaido PTSD and would end his life if they ever fight.

People says that Kaido endured too much on Onigashima which is true but forget that much of what he endured didn't made a shit to him. Pretty much 90% of attacks Kaido received were swallow. Only Zoro scarring him at 1010 and Luffy fight with him since 1010 and Yamato really counts for damage.

Not only that but people also forget how Luffy lost many times and even died while fighting him. This also taxes his body to the point he and Zoro had to sleep 1 week to recover.

I have no issue with Mihawk > Kaido.

The point is that Luffy got so many rounds, you are not giving the same to Kaido or even Zoro.
Luffy gets fatigued by using G4, no problem, Zoro is there to save his ass until he comes back.
Luffy gets KO'd by Ragnarok, no problem, Zoro is there to save him and scar Kaido.
Luffy gets thrown/falls into the sea, no problem, get saved and then fully fed which somehow heals him up too.
Luffy gets killed, no problem, Nika revives.
Luffy is exhausted, no problem, Nika magic.

Not saying the fatigue did not build up but you are literally getting rest periods and resets.

You are also discounting the stamina drain of the clouds, we saw how Yamato remarked on it that Kaido is getting weaker hence why Momo needs to create his own clouds. We saw how creating and holding the island for just a few seconds exhausted Momo who has the same DF and also has Oden genetics (see how he is not feeling much when in human form at the party).

Am I saying that fresh Kaido vs fresh Luffy is a mid diff, no. I am saying that fresh Kaido beats fresh Luffy ext diff.