Powers & Abilities The shodai kitetsu: Zoro’s penultimate power up

Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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As the series wraps up, I don’t think Zoro is going to get huge drawn out 1v1s with all his rivals.

One specifically I think has a high chance of being skipped over is V Nusjuro.

So far, Mihawk is yet to really prove himself as WSSM. I think one way Oda could hype up Mihawk while simultaneously removing an unnecessary fight is be simply having Mihawk defeat Nusjuro in the final war.

This would directly set up Mihawk as Zoro’s EoS fight.

But then what’s the point of Nusjuro? I think his importance might just be to give Zoro a power up. After Mihawk beats him, Zoro could obtain the shodai as his penultimate power up before the black blade.

While the shodai does seem like a massive sword, I think there is a real possibility swords can shrink/grow to match the user. After all, Oden was much larger than Zoro, yet Enma fits Zoro just fine.
 
gz89

gz89

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Monkey D Theories said:
So far, Mihawk is yet to really prove himself as WSSM. I think one way Oda could hype up Mihawk while simultaneously removing an unnecessary fight is be simply having Mihawk defeat Nusjuro in the final war.
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Mihawk doesn't need to prove anything, only some idiots deny his title.

The only one who needs to prove himself is the Janitor and what better way than to be the one to kill Ethan.
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Rivaille said:
No, the Sandai will eat Kaido’s fruit and reach the rank of the Shodai :risitavirus:
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Nah, Zoro ain’t gonna dabble in DFs
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gz89 said:
Mihawk doesn't need to prove anything, only some idiots deny his title.

The only one who needs to prove himself is the Janitor and what better way than to be the one to kill Ethan.
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He does if Oda wants us to believe he’s not a fraud like Kaido
 
Chiji_

Chiji_

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If Mihawk defeats Nusjuro then Zoro would not have earned the Shodai. At the moment it feels like it makes more sense for Nusjuro to come last him being the strongest swordsman in the govt with the stakes being the fate of the world. The only hang up is the black blade aspect, maybe the Kitesu’s facing each other can trigger the affect, Shodai could be the first supreme blade to become black thus creating its own tier of power something beyond the supreme 12. Who’s to say that Nusjuro has never made a single blade black in his career that’s spanned centuries, he may have met Ryuma, this Shodai could be a recent project for all we know. Imu could age the elders down to their prime’s potentially, there’s many variables but I’m confident Zoro will earn that sword in battle.
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Chiji_ said:
If Mihawk defeats Nusjuro then Zoro would not have earned the Shodai. At the moment it feels like it makes more sense for Nusjuro to come last him being the strongest swordsman in the govt with the stakes being the fate of the world. The only hang up is the black blade aspect, maybe the Kitesu’s facing each other can trigger the affect, Shodai could be the first supreme blade to become black thus creating its own tier of power something beyond the supreme 12. Who’s to say that Nusjuro has never made a single blade black in his career that’s spanned centuries, he may have met Ryuma, this Shodai could be a recent project for all we know. Imu could age the elders down to their prime’s potentially, there’s many variables but I’m confident Zoro will earn that sword in battle.
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Depends how it happens.

If Shodai falls to Zoro at the start of the arc, we could get a whole arc of him mastering the sword before beating Mihawk
 
Rootbeer

Rootbeer

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Monkey D Theories said:
As the series wraps up, I don’t think Zoro is going to get huge drawn out 1v1s with all his rivals.

One specifically I think has a high chance of being skipped over is V Nusjuro.

So far, Mihawk is yet to really prove himself as WSSM. I think one way Oda could hype up Mihawk while simultaneously removing an unnecessary fight is be simply having Mihawk defeat Nusjuro in the final war.

This would directly set up Mihawk as Zoro’s EoS fight.

But then what’s the point of Nusjuro? I think his importance might just be to give Zoro a power up. After Mihawk beats him, Zoro could obtain the shodai as his penultimate power up before the black blade.

While the shodai does seem like a massive sword, I think there is a real possibility swords can shrink/grow to match the user. After all, Oden was much larger than Zoro, yet Enma fits Zoro just fine.
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It's rare when we align, but i also think the same Nasujuro is here for Zoro to obtain Shodai Kitetsu.. It's been shown that the Gorosei are not untouchable end game pieces, Saturn is gone.. There are 2 Sword user Gorosei right now and it doesn't add up if Zoro has to face both.. Where we differ is, i think Zoro is defeating Nasujuro himself this arc in Elbaph..

nik87 said:
Betting against Sandai Kitetsu...
...I see you have embraced failure.
:zosmug:
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Bye bye Sandai Kitetsu, you've served us well, time for you to go.. :luffydab:
 
shastar-sei

shastar-sei

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The scenario of Zoro taking Shodai Kitetsu from Nusjuro after Mihawk defeats him feels cheap, unearned, and beneath Zoro. I can only see Zoro claiming the blade if he defeats Nusjuro himself.

If that does happen, Zoro could choose to keep Shodai and pass Sandai Kitetsu on to Tashigi. After all, she was the one who picked it out for his journey. In a way, she played a role in him ultimately taking Shodai from the hands of an evil man.

However, I see Zoro giving Shodai to Tashigi instead.

It would feel odd for Zoro to wield Shodai, an already Supreme Grade blade, while Wado and Enma are one tier below at Great Grade. They would need to be forged black just to match Shodai's default level. For that reason, Nidai Kitetsu feels like an obvious missed opportunity.

Furthermore, there's this -
Real Life Lore said:
In 1830, a second book, called Kokon Kaji Bikō (lit. 'Ancient and Modern Blacksmith Notes'), was published as a major revised list of the wazamono ratings.

This new list yet again made amends to the original, and new sword makers were added, such that there were now 15 sword makers in the Saijō Ōwazamono (Supreme)...
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^ Zoro will likely bring the total number of Supreme Grade blades to 15 once he forges 3 Black Blades. This would rule out the possibility of him using Shodai as one of his three primary swords.

The conundrum is whether Zoro can forge Sandai into a Supreme Grade blade, as he will with Wado and Enma, or if he'll obtain a Great Grade blade to replace Sandai and forge that one to Supreme Grade alongside the other two.
 
nik87

nik87

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shastar-sei said:
They would need to be forged black just to match Shodai's default level.
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This is not really how it is.
There is a ranking within the same grade.
Yoru is superior to all other Saijos despite being of the same grade.
The swords that Zoro forges black would become stronger than even Yoru let alone Shodai Kitetsu...
And due to irl Saijos being 15, it is proof that Zoro will not get a supreme grade from anyone.
 
shastar-sei

shastar-sei

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nik87 said:
Yoru is superior to all other Saijos despite being of the same grade.
The swords that Zoro forges black would become stronger than even Yoru let alone Shodai Kitetsu...
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I think Yoru is the world's strongest blade because it was already of Supreme Grade quality, yet it was still forged into a Kokuto on top of that, thus transcending the strength of the other Supreme Grade blades.

I'm not sure if Zoro's forged blades will surpass Yoru, but they will at least surpass Shodai Kitetsu since they will be Supreme Grade and Kokuto.

You might be right that there is a ranking within the grades, but I just assume they're equal, except for Kokutos, since we don't have a clear way of knowing.
 
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