Future Events The Straw hat crew structure and hierarchy
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Nope, not at all, no way is any crew member going to be above another officially in a hierarchy at all. It is the same reason why we have no official designation of Zoro as the vice captain or the first mate, he has been called and demonstrated as such but Luffy has not called Zoro his VC nor does Zoro's position in the crew is labelled as VC or FM.
There is no need for this type of structure anyway. The Grand Fleet is going to do this job for the SHPs, the crew itself will remain as it is. Rogers crew was not shown and neither was Shanks to act like this. Even WB's commanders were not divided in such a way only Beast Pirates and BMPs have this type of structure. Blackbeard pirates also don't have this structure, they have Ten Titanic Captains, not this hierarchy structure.
Actually only BMPs and Beast Pirates have this sort of structure and the Doffy pirates whereas the rest of the big ones Roger, Shanks, WB, BB and SHPs have a different structure.
There is no need for this type of structure anyway. The Grand Fleet is going to do this job for the SHPs, the crew itself will remain as it is. Rogers crew was not shown and neither was Shanks to act like this. Even WB's commanders were not divided in such a way only Beast Pirates and BMPs have this type of structure. Blackbeard pirates also don't have this structure, they have Ten Titanic Captains, not this hierarchy structure.
Actually only BMPs and Beast Pirates have this sort of structure and the Doffy pirates whereas the rest of the big ones Roger, Shanks, WB, BB and SHPs have a different structure.
There is no hierarchy other than Luffy > everyone else as captain. Each crewmate (except Zoro and Robin most of the time) have roles to fulfil on the ship and perform a function for their journeys and adventures.
I'm not sure why you're mixing Fleet Allies with the main crew here. On a Grand Fleet scale it is simply Luffy > his crew and the other captains with an implied superiority of the Strawhat crewmates above these captains as well
I'm not sure why you're mixing Fleet Allies with the main crew here. On a Grand Fleet scale it is simply Luffy > his crew and the other captains with an implied superiority of the Strawhat crewmates above these captains as well
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I do find it interesting how both crews that mirror Luffys have a Leader then 4 officer style.
Blackbeard has the four silhouetted with him when Luffy became the four emperor
Buggy has the four he was with when Luffy established his fleet
So yeah I think the East Blue 5 are set up as the “hierarchy” of the crew
Blackbeard has the four silhouetted with him when Luffy became the four emperor
Buggy has the four he was with when Luffy established his fleet
So yeah I think the East Blue 5 are set up as the “hierarchy” of the crew
It's not that Zoro has the qualities, it's that Zoro has acted as Vice Captain in specific situations.
Interestingly, Oda says that not everyone is Vice Captain in that Color Spread, which is true because Sabo can't be Vice Captain since he doesn't belong to a pirate gang. Oda doesn't say Zoro isn't Vice Captain, he says not all of them. And that's the thing, Oda never said that Zoro is the Vice Captain directly, but he also didn't say that he wasn't.
The same goes for Luffy. Most of the time he is not the Captain, he is one of the gang. Have you seen any gang ignore their captain like the Muguis? Or have you seen any gang hit his captain?
That you like hierarchies does not mean that they are good or necessary. You're already criticizing One Piece because it doesn't do what you want. What a bad mania.
The lack of Hierarchy is fine, that reduces tensions in the band and avoids envy. For example, it is like the round table of King Arthur.
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Show me where Oda says that Zoro is not Vice-Captain.
- If I'm not mistaken, it's been a long time since I read it, Zoro's first performance as Vice Captain was in Whiskey Peak, when he didn't let his guard down. A characteristic of Vice Captain, watch over the crew.
- The next time, it would be after Robin's union, when he also did not let his guard down with her.
- The next time, it would be in Mock Town, when she understood Luffy with a couple of words, something that Nami wasn't even able to do. Zoro himself had to explain.
- This goes in conjunction with point number 2. In Skypea, when Zoro gets mad at Enel for attacking Robin. He no longer mistrusted her and treated her like a member of her gang.
- The next moment would be in the Foxy saga, when Zoro calms down Chopper and explains the situation.
- He brings out his Vice Captain skills again in Long Ring Long, when Zoro indicates retreat, understanding what Luffy wants to achieve with a 1 vs 1.
- In Water Seven, it is already the key point. If someone doubted Zoro Vice Captain, here it should be more than clear.
- Not only for the moment that Usopp wanted to return, which is the one that stands out the most and the one that the whole world thinks about, but also because when Luffy and Usopp fight, he stresses that you have to take it seriously and that Luffy cannot show weakness. And also when he finds out about Robin's escape, he is the first to say that she has to be rescued and that she herself clarify the situation.
- In Thriller Bark he again showed the Vice Capinatia leading the group against Kuma and then sacrificing himself for the good of the gang, not just Luffy as some think. As a good Vice Captain, he cannot allow someone other than himself to sacrifice himself for the team.
- After the Time Skip, already in Punk Hazard Zoro gives a touch of attention to Luffy so that he takes it seriously.
- In Dressrosa, when he was chasing after Pica, he was checking out potential allies for the fleet. And it was Zoro who drank the Sake, technically he was the one who accepted them.
- In Zou, Zoro was also very aware of the issue of Sanji, as in his time with Robin.
- And in Wano he has also had several scenes as Vice Captain, but the most significant is when he tells Kaido that he will have to go over him to get to Luffy.
- He is the first member of the band.
- He has been confused as a captain. And since he is not a captain, the logical thing is that he is the Vice Captain.
- Both Urogue and Bartolomeo treat him as Vice Captain. From the outside he is Vice Captain.
- His parallel with Rayleigh is undeniable. We have seen how Luffy and Zoro's relationship is more special than others.
Interestingly, Oda says that not everyone is Vice Captain in that Color Spread, which is true because Sabo can't be Vice Captain since he doesn't belong to a pirate gang. Oda doesn't say Zoro isn't Vice Captain, he says not all of them. And that's the thing, Oda never said that Zoro is the Vice Captain directly, but he also didn't say that he wasn't.
The same goes for Luffy. Most of the time he is not the Captain, he is one of the gang. Have you seen any gang ignore their captain like the Muguis? Or have you seen any gang hit his captain?
That you like hierarchies does not mean that they are good or necessary. You're already criticizing One Piece because it doesn't do what you want. What a bad mania.
The lack of Hierarchy is fine, that reduces tensions in the band and avoids envy. For example, it is like the round table of King Arthur.
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Show me where Oda says that Zoro is not Vice-Captain.
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The Straw Hat Pirates structure.
(01) [Combatant] Roronoa Zoro
(02) [Navigator] Nami
(03) [Sniper] Usopp
(04) [Chef] Sanji
(05) [Doctor] Tony Tony Chopper
(06) [Archaeologist] Nico Robin
(07) [Shipwright] Franky
(08) [Musician] Brook
(09) [Helmsman] Jimbei
(10) [???] ??? (Yamato?)
They're just called members. There is no title that'd distinguish them from a hypothetical fodder group. There is no special rank for Luffy's top fighters (Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei). There is no vice-captain (but Zoro does assume that role).
(01) [Combatant] Roronoa Zoro
(02) [Navigator] Nami
(03) [Sniper] Usopp
(04) [Chef] Sanji
(05) [Doctor] Tony Tony Chopper
(06) [Archaeologist] Nico Robin
(07) [Shipwright] Franky
(08) [Musician] Brook
(09) [Helmsman] Jimbei
(10) [???] ??? (Yamato?)
They're just called members. There is no title that'd distinguish them from a hypothetical fodder group. There is no special rank for Luffy's top fighters (Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei). There is no vice-captain (but Zoro does assume that role).
It's not that Zoro has the qualities, it's that Zoro has acted as Vice Captain in specific situations.
Interestingly, Oda says that not everyone is Vice Captain in that Color Spread, which is true because Sabo can't be Vice Captain since he doesn't belong to a pirate gang. Oda doesn't say Zoro isn't Vice Captain, he says not all of them. And that's the thing, Oda never said that Zoro is the Vice Captain directly, but he also didn't say that he wasn't.
The same goes for Luffy. Most of the time he is not the Captain, he is one of the gang. Have you seen any gang ignore their captain like the Muguis? Or have you seen any gang hit his captain?
That you like hierarchies does not mean that they are good or necessary. You're already criticizing One Piece because it doesn't do what you want. What a bad mania.
The lack of Hierarchy is fine, that reduces tensions in the band and avoids envy. For example, it is like the round table of King Arthur.
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Show me where Oda says that Zoro is not Vice-Captain.
- If I'm not mistaken, it's been a long time since I read it, Zoro's first performance as Vice Captain was in Whiskey Peak, when he didn't let his guard down. A characteristic of Vice Captain, watch over the crew.
- The next time, it would be after Robin's union, when he also did not let his guard down with her.
- The next time, it would be in Mock Town, when she understood Luffy with a couple of words, something that Nami wasn't even able to do. Zoro himself had to explain.
- This goes in conjunction with point number 2. In Skypea, when Zoro gets mad at Enel for attacking Robin. He no longer mistrusted her and treated her like a member of her gang.
- The next moment would be in the Foxy saga, when Zoro calms down Chopper and explains the situation.
- He brings out his Vice Captain skills again in Long Ring Long, when Zoro indicates retreat, understanding what Luffy wants to achieve with a 1 vs 1.
- In Water Seven, it is already the key point. If someone doubted Zoro Vice Captain, here it should be more than clear.
- Not only for the moment that Usopp wanted to return, which is the one that stands out the most and the one that the whole world thinks about, but also because when Luffy and Usopp fight, he stresses that you have to take it seriously and that Luffy cannot show weakness. And also when he finds out about Robin's escape, he is the first to say that she has to be rescued and that she herself clarify the situation.
- In Thriller Bark he again showed the Vice Capinatia leading the group against Kuma and then sacrificing himself for the good of the gang, not just Luffy as some think. As a good Vice Captain, he cannot allow someone other than himself to sacrifice himself for the team.
- After the Time Skip, already in Punk Hazard Zoro gives a touch of attention to Luffy so that he takes it seriously.
- In Dressrosa, when he was chasing after Pica, he was checking out potential allies for the fleet. And it was Zoro who drank the Sake, technically he was the one who accepted them.
- In Zou, Zoro was also very aware of the issue of Sanji, as in his time with Robin.
- And in Wano he has also had several scenes as Vice Captain, but the most significant is when he tells Kaido that he will have to go over him to get to Luffy.
- He is the first member of the band.
- He has been confused as a captain. And since he is not a captain, the logical thing is that he is the Vice Captain.
- Both Urogue and Bartolomeo treat him as Vice Captain. From the outside he is Vice Captain.
- His parallel with Rayleigh is undeniable. We have seen how Luffy and Zoro's relationship is more special than others.
Interestingly, Oda says that not everyone is Vice Captain in that Color Spread, which is true because Sabo can't be Vice Captain since he doesn't belong to a pirate gang. Oda doesn't say Zoro isn't Vice Captain, he says not all of them. And that's the thing, Oda never said that Zoro is the Vice Captain directly, but he also didn't say that he wasn't.
The same goes for Luffy. Most of the time he is not the Captain, he is one of the gang. Have you seen any gang ignore their captain like the Muguis? Or have you seen any gang hit his captain?
That you like hierarchies does not mean that they are good or necessary. You're already criticizing One Piece because it doesn't do what you want. What a bad mania.
The lack of Hierarchy is fine, that reduces tensions in the band and avoids envy. For example, it is like the round table of King Arthur.
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Show me where Oda says that Zoro is not Vice-Captain.
