Character Discussion The stronger Garp reveals himself to be, the more awful of a person he will also look like by proxy

#1
Garp didn't capture any major pirates we know off. Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks, Whitebeard, hell he wouldn't even have captured Shiki if he didn't arrive at Marineford. He basically acted as a propaganda and morale booster for the Marines and that's it. So for all we know, he neither protected any place from Yonko nor fought any of them directly in any way shape or form. Garp didn't join his son's revolution against the same system he KNOWS to be deeply corrupt on account of the fact he didn't become an Admiral precisely because it would have meant he would have to directly protect Celestial Dragons.

This man is known as the hero of the Marines and, as far as we are told, is literally the most famous Marine of all time. If he had joined his son? God only knows how large the rebellion might be now. For all we know? It would already have managed to topple the world government itself.

Garp instead of doing ANYTHING sat on his ass for the better part of two decades plus after Roger died doing FUCK ALL, was such a pisspoor role model Sabo, Ace, AND Luffy all wanted to become Pirates. When Ace gets captured? Garp doesn't do SHIT. He swats away Marco, then almost has the AUDACITY to outright stop Luffy, and then gets pissed at Akainu for killing Ace only to be stopped by Sengoku.

And legit he does not have the right to be mad about shit. "If you do not hold me down I kill Akainu" oh NOW Garp wants to do shit. Now he wants to get angry.

When he was at Impel Down and the only obstacle in his way of freeing him was fucking Magellan? NOTHING.

When Koby, his fucking apprentice, gets kidnapped by Blackbeard? Galaxy Impact punch as a welcoming present.

The stronger Garp is shown to be the more of a bitch he will end up looking like for letting Ace die and not standing up for what he knows is right and joining his son. If Garp is an old has-been, and his threat towards Akainu was mostly his anger talking that would be one thing. But if he reveals he, much like his fans claim, still got it and unlike Rayleigh barely lost any of his strength due to still being active the whole time? Fuck him. Fuck this geriatric dickhead for both being too lazy to commit to the Marines to actually do anything meaningful after Roger, and double fuck him as a grandpa for letting Ace die despite having been able to EASILY allow him to leave.

If Garp dies saving COBY, fucking COBY instead of Ace? The kid he has known and more or less raised (SHIT in that role to btw immediately putting them under the care of a fucking bandit like Dadan but whatever) for over a decade while Koby has been with him less than three years? Garp might be among the worst Grandpas in fiction you are supposed to still root for.
 
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#3
Major W post.

Hero of the Marines my ass..
Oh thanks for reminding me! His title is arguably the most fraudulent of all titles in the setting and this is not just me dunking on him but actual fact. Literally, NOTHING he has done to earn that reputation was legitimate. Xebec? A team effort with Roger at the very least attributed solely to Garp because giving equal credit to a pirate was unthinkable. His supposed capture of Roger? We know is bullshit since he turned himself in willingly.

He didn't even fucking capture Shiki on his own! His attack on Blackbeard is literally the only time we know thus far in which he has taken the risk of facing another Top Tier without also having a Top Tier as a backup along for the ride. What a fuckign hero.

Meanwhile, this is Ace looking down from heaven as he watches the same man that let him get killed go all out to save some pink haired kid he barely knows in comparison:

 
#4
I can only do nothing but applaud you good sir. Garp can keeps up this facade of not giving no fucks about his superiors when things are sweet, but when it's time to put up or shut up he showed his true colors, didn't dare to go against those he works under when it mattered the most. Sad thing is that despite the emotional turmoil and the familial loss he experienced that day, he didn't change one bit, still acting all nonchalant and bitching about his bosses, and yet Sengoku, who effectively won the battle with minimal loss, change more from the Marineford War. You'd think Sengoku was the one that lost something precious in if you didn't know any better.
 
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#5
Garp risked his life against Roger and Xebec, the greatest pirates of that era

He ended Chinjao's career

Whitebeard avoided the Marines

Shanks canonically had a weird relationship due to Uta making the Gorosei assume he's a Celestial Dragon

Kaido hid in Wano and also had a weird relationship due to Seastone trade


Also the fandom needs to stop assuming we know all the big names, Big Mom herself said she killed countless rookies who presumably were YC1+ due to the context of that statement, Queen said he killed dozens of Haki Masters, Cracker talked about fighters who previously destroyed his soldiers and forced him to fight in person, Kidd and Drake were said to be on the Newspaper 24/7 by Brownbeard, surely they were defeating powerful people

Garp probably captured a lot of powerful pirates who just got forgotten by history and weren't lucky enough to be invited to be a warlord or own an island like Wangzhi
 
#7
Garp risked his life against Roger and Xebec, the greatest pirates of that era

He ended Chinjao's career

Whitebeard avoided the Marines

Shanks canonically had a weird relationship due to Uta making the Gorosei assume he's a Celestial Dragon

Kaido hid in Wano and also had a weird relationship due to Seastone trade


Also the fandom needs to stop assuming we know all the big names, Big Mom herself said she killed countless rookies who presumably were YC1+ due to the context of that statement, Queen said he killed dozens of Haki Masters, Cracker talked about fighters who previously destroyed his soldiers and forced him to fight in person, Kidd and Drake were said to be on the Newspaper 24/7 by Brownbeard, surely they were defeating powerful people

Garp probably captured a lot of powerful pirates who just got forgotten by history and weren't lucky enough to be invited to be a warlord or own an island like Wangzhi
Vergo was considered a Haki Master, and he would get absolutely demolished by Cracker, and Cracker himself is fodder in the grand scheme of things as he is oneshot material for the likes of Luffy and Zoro even before their rooftop fight. There is no reason to give the benefit of the doubt that there are powerful people outside of those that we know of as Oda never properly built the world up to make such a scenario believable. For all that fighting Drake and Kidd allegedly were doing they seem to have barely gained anything from it as Kidd received an asspull to get the upperhand in a 2v1 against a plot nerfed Big Meme that still needed to be finished off by bombs, and Drake couldn't put down Apoo even after receiving damage by Zoro's Shi Shi Sonson.
 
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#8
In regards to the Ace situation, it'll always be a bad look but as a character, it just shows he isn't all good or bad. He cared about Ace and didn't want him dead but he was still torn by his position, plus Ace having chosen his path to be a pirate. Garp was never gonna switch sides, best he felt he could do was nothing and take a dive for Luffy after testing his conviction to save Ace and forcing him to get through him.

As for the taking on top-tiers, not many top-tiers have clear, defined wins against others. The new era being more erratic than the ones before it hence more instances of top-tiers going down now in 1v1 fights are pretty recurring ideas in One Piece and as for God Valley, we don't know who took on who, just that Roger and Garp took on the Rocks pirates and prevailed. Garp was still top dog of the Marines and has better hype than most other top-tiers but yeah, he didn't do it alone and propaganda was in place to make it seem otherwise.

Overall, Garp looks great. He's always been strong and not collecting top pirates like nothing when they have tons of resources and weren't exactly itching for fights against him (aside from Roger who obviously wouldn't lose to any of his rivals even if they were major opponents).
 
#11
Okay, seriously to all the people going "he couldn't do anything because of plot!" and "he totally did shit of screen he wasn't useless!" even if that IS true, who gives a fuck? No shit via meta reasoning Oda is to blame. Oda is to blame for everything fucking wrong with the Manga because he is the writer. So when it comes to responses like "Garp defeated countless super important Pirates off-screen all this time/he is held back from doing shit to actually relevant characters we know to let Luffy have a turn" those are all well and good when it comes to META excuses for Garp.

In-universe? He, like Whitebeard, and yes SHANKS? Spent more than a decade doing FUCK ALL as far as we know, but UNLIKE Whitebeard and Shanks, Gapr had a direct opportunity to save the next generation in the form of Ace or directly support his son in his fight against a system Garp KNOWS is evil and KNOWS is corrupt but DIDNT DO SHIT.

The BARE minimum this bastard could have done was retire the second they caught Ace instead of after his death. Or even better retire when Dragon rebelled. Again, I go by what we know, and from what we know? Garp is about as huge of a failure as a father and grandfather as you can get without being actively malicious, and a propaganda tool of the Marines and by extension World Government and the Celestial Dragons they all serve.

Why does ANYBODY respect this guy? Again, the stronger he is shown to still be, the more pathetic of a man he becomes in retrospect for not standing up at ANY point in the story against the system he KNOWS to be wrong. Like, this isn't a meme on my end alright? This spineless fuck stood by while his organization slaughtered god only knows how many pregnant women on the off chance they could have had Ace in their belly and didn't do SHIT about it. Didnt quit then. Didn't try to change and reform anything with the massive importance he was for the whole organisation. Didnt storm Mary Goa, didn't join his son, didn't address the public, NOTHING!

And at EVERY possible opportunity given to him post that to say its time to quit or change the way things are done he goes NAH, I don't wanna. And it would be one thing if he was just ignorant as fuck. If he was a naive and or stupid enough to be blinded by the system he serves it would be one thing but we are explicitly told he ISNT. This guy's main reason for staying vice admiral is so he does not have to come to the aid of a Celestial Dragon if they are attacked. He KNOWS what monsters he works for at least since God Valley and STILL played their good little publicity figure for decades after it.

So again, the stronger this failure of a grandfather is revealed to be, the worse he will end up coming off as to me for refusing to his power for good when it came to the world at large. Because he very much could have done so much and did so little by comparison.
 
#12
Again: that is his vision of Justice. He Is a Marine, not a pirate or even a Revolutionary. If you want one, you could go to Dragon.
And that setting aside things that are simply untrue, like with the CD. This guy didn't become an admiral because didn't want anything in common with them, but still wanted to protect people and work for his justice by staying in the Navy. Or blaming him for not saving his adopted pirate nephew.

You could not like it, it's all fine and normal, but that does not make Garp incoherent or an awful person lol.
 
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#14
Garp was trying to do his duty as a righteous marine. If Garp were to rescue Ace, he would have risked his career on the line, the career that he built up for a long time. He was disappointed that Ace turns out to be a pirate so he can't really do much. When Ace dies, he regrets his decision.

Dadan is a good example of reactions of OP readers/watchers to Garp, "Why didn't you save Ace?"

Garp cries and he reflects on his action. So if Luffy were to be in danger, Garp obviously would abandons his duty and try to save Luffy.
 
#15
I don't understand the hate the fandom has against garp because of ace.
Look, ace choose to be a pirate, willingly. He knew what could have happened to him, he knew he might die. He didn't cosplay as some pirate, no, he became a pirate. He choosed his own way.
He could die. He knew this, went on his path and died.

Garp also choose hiw own path. He IS THE legendary hero of the marine. He fought for more than 50!! years against pirates. He also decided his own path, willingly and knowingly. He also could have died fighting against pirates. Let's be honest, rocks, roger, wb, bm, kaido, shiki etc. would have killed him, if they could. But he went on and didn't die in all of this battles and earned himself glory within the marines.


So why should garp throw all of this away, for ace? He ALWAYS said, become a strong marine. He "trained" them (ace and luffy) to become marines, because he KNEW they might die, considering their fathers. But ace choose his own way, he choosed freedom. And died. So even though garp wasn't obliged to anything, he still faltered because ace is family to him.

Whose "fault" is this? Garps? No. If there is a fault, then it lies within ace.
 

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#16
Its almost like Garp is a marine, his duty is to fight pirates, something he was doing long before Ace was born.

In Marineford, if Garp fought AGAINST the marines, he will no longer be a marine and a legendary career of over 6 decades of fighting piracy comes to an end. Despite this, Garp let Luffy through to free Ace, he didn't chase him and barely fought against the WB pirates, only shooting down Marco before Sengoku stepped in.

It was Ace's stupidity and pride that made him turn back to Akainu, and die. It was Ace's choice to become a pirate, an enemy of his grandfather. You cannot blame Garp for that.
 
#17
Nobody should try to save Ace! Ace was a dumb slut. That boy was greedy for death. Koby actually has worth and is a good boy. Lbeard let Ace think he was a big boy, by giving him his own division and Ace bit off more than he could chew from Blackbeards dick.

Garp grew up with sissy pirates who happened to be OP. Who needed to be saved from "family man" Lbeard? Or "older luffy" Roger? We all know big mom is mentally handicapped so she's more of a threat to herself than she is to anyone else. Shiki got baptized. And rox aint roxin no more after going toe to toe with garp.
 
#18
Garp risked his life against Roger and Xebec, the greatest pirates of that era

He ended Chinjao's career

Whitebeard avoided the Marines

Shanks canonically had a weird relationship due to Uta making the Gorosei assume he's a Celestial Dragon

Kaido hid in Wano and also had a weird relationship due to Seastone trade


Also the fandom needs to stop assuming we know all the big names, Big Mom herself said she killed countless rookies who presumably were YC1+ due to the context of that statement, Queen said he killed dozens of Haki Masters, Cracker talked about fighters who previously destroyed his soldiers and forced him to fight in person, Kidd and Drake were said to be on the Newspaper 24/7 by Brownbeard, surely they were defeating powerful people

Garp probably captured a lot of powerful pirates who just got forgotten by history and weren't lucky enough to be invited to be a warlord or own an island like Wangzhi
Oda, if you read this, this is what we need from a data book if you can't fit it in the series . Have some assistant put together 10 profiles, background and what not. Here is something you can start with

- Previous yonko
- Previous Shichibukai
- Previous super rookies before Ace and Cavendish
- Previous WSS
- Previous Admiral
- Those that scarred Garp
- Those that scarred Rayleigh
- Those that scarred Kong
- Those that scarred Whitebeard
- What Fujitora saw
 
#19
Garp instead of doing ANYTHING sat on his ass for the better part of two decades plus after Roger died doing FUCK ALL
This applies to every Yonko/Legend, nobody did shit for 2 decades, waiting around. That's just Oda's faulty writing.

So for all we know, he neither protected any place from Yonko nor fought any of them directly in any way shape or form.
Who did Shanks fight?
Who did Mihawk fight?
Who did Big Mom fight?
Who did Kaido fight?

Besides God Valley, the only conflict we know of is whitebeard vs roger sparring then exchanging gifts.

If Garp dies saving COBY, fucking COBY instead of Ace?
Because Koby's a marine. He truly cares about raising heroes. The kind-hearted marines that actually
champion justice. People forget that the majority of pirates just kill, rampage and pillage. They're not romantic adventurers.

Gotta remember he's been a marine for like 50 years, this shit's important to him.
Ace became a pirate knowing he would get a bounty, knowing what that means. That's why garp was always against it.
 
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#20
You are going hate military grandfathers in real life /history since they severed countries who does mass killing , war crimes, genocide, etc,.
‘If you think garp is bad , wait you are going hate historic military generals in real life .
 
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