Break Week The Taking Down of Moria

[Blother Fertitta]

Disclaimer: This is just an informal thread, stuff I use will mostly be theorizing and Headcanon.

The Strawhats defeated Gecko Moria, Oars, and Kuma to an extent.

Their prior bounties were as followed:

• Luffy: 300M
• Zoro: 120M
• Robin: 80M
• Sanji: 77M
• Franky: 44M
• Brook: 30M
• Usopp: 30M
• Nami: 16M
• Chopper: 50 Berry

If it was Publicized this happened, and even if it was not, this surely means Strawhats got Stronger and Bounties would be Raised.

This brings the question, would the whole notion of the Worst Generation or Supernova even exist? Is there even a point, since at the least Robin and Sanji would also become “Supernovas”. Their bounties would all increase based on participation with the Kuma/Moria fight.

Without this acknowledgement even, the Strawhats technically had multiple Supernova qualified combatants.

Does it bother anyone here that, that was the case? Especially since I’d argue that Thriller Bark had one of the craziest stakes within One Piece? Pretimeskip in general.

I bring this up because TB Mirrors Wano in a sense, and I’m afraid certain characters will not get their credit they deserve for their wins. Like Franky/Brook/Robin/etc..

 

[Doggo]

I think the general bounty increase from Dressrosa was kinda meh.
Some folks deserved their bounties more than others.
Especially Franky.
But Wano will be more "individual" increases like EL.
At least I hope.
If it weren't for CP0 there, I truly believe they would get the "TB" cover up treatment.

 

[Ricassian]

Disclaimer: This is just an informal thread, stuff I use will mostly be theorizing and Headcanon.

The Strawhats defeated Gecko Moria, Oars, and Kuma to an extent.

Their prior bounties were as followed:

• Luffy: 300M
• Zoro: 120M
• Robin: 80M
• Sanji: 77M
• Franky: 44M
• Brook: 30M
• Usopp: 30M
• Nami: 16M
• Chopper: 50 Berry

If it was Publicized this happened, and even if it was not, this surely means Strawhats got Stronger and Bounties would be Raised.

This brings the question, would the whole notion of the Worst Generation or Supernova even exist? Is there even a point, since at the least Robin and Sanji would also become “Supernovas”. Their bounties would all increase based on participation with the Kuma/Moria fight.

Without this acknowledgement even, the Strawhats technically had multiple Supernova qualified combatants.

Does it bother anyone here that, that was the case? Especially since I’d argue that Thriller Bark had one of the craziest stakes within One Piece? Pretimeskip in general.

I bring this up because TB Mirrors Wano in a sense, and I’m afraid certain characters will not get their credit they deserve for their wins. Like Franky/Brook/Robin/etc..

Question comes from both sides, the other 9 SNs could've done a lot of hardcore shit without the WG/Navy/Newspaper knowing
One Piece world, especially the Grand Line, is full of dangerous islands, creatures and so on.. it's not like SHs were the only crew to risk life during the way
As you said we are theorizing but Urouge, for example, could've deserved 350 millions back in Sabaody but WG/Navy/Newspaper assisted to the 108 millions shit and that's why he had that bounty
This applies to all of them

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Question comes from both sides, the other 9 SNs could've done a lot of hardcore shit without the WG/Navy/Newspaper knowing
One Piece world, especially the Grand Line, is full of dangerous islands, creatures and so on.. it's not like SHs were the only crew to risk life during the way
As you said we are theorizing but Urouge, for example, could've deserved 350 millions back in Sabaody but WG/Navy/Newspaper assisted to the 108 millions shit and that's why he had that bounty
This applies to all of them

I think Oda not specifying what the Kid pirates did to earn that bounty is still a miss. A big political figure dying/defeated or Warlord should have been added to their roster as credibility for the bounties. Killer himself had a high ass bounty as well.

 

[Doggo]

I think Oda not specifying what the Kid pirates did to earn that bounty is still a miss. A big political figure dying/defeated or Warlord should have been added to their roster as credibility for the bounties. Killer himself had a high ass bounty as well.

I think that's due to Oda's limitation. Aside from very specific events, most relevant ones are tied to the SH's. We get these "these other people have done some shit", but he never really show anything major.
Take Dragon for instance.
The world's most wanted criminal alive.
Aside from taking down a few random ass kingdoms, we have no grasp what Dragon is as a threat.
He could have thrown a "he once defeated an Admiral", or a Shichibukai on his own. But no. Nothing. Except getting jumped by BB's forces and running away.
The Supernovas? They have done some shit.
What?
Who knows. Kidd looks like he hurts civillians. that's all.
To be fair the SN's were some last minute creations.
The WG didn't want to tell the world the SH's defeated yet another Shichibukai. They already covered the Crocodile fiasco giving credit to Smoker. So it makes sense they didn't want to increase the SH's bounties.
We can say the SN 100+ million bounty thing was something Oda created without thinking too much ahead.
But keeping just Luffy and Zoro as supernovas is kinda more "balanced" than 3 in just one crew.
Then we probably would have another crew with 3, more crews with 2, and it would become a shit show trying to showcase all these SN's today.

 

[Ricassian]

I think Oda not specifying what the Kid pirates did to earn that bounty is still a miss. A big political figure dying/defeated or Warlord should have been added to their roster as credibility for the bounties. Killer himself had a high ass bounty as well.

My dream is that Oda, once One Piece is finished, will draw some last volumes to complete the SNs journey to Sabaody and how they earned their bounties.. something like:
- "North Blue" Volumes -> Law's pirate life post-Doffy family till Sabaody, Drake's training the Marines and his journey as an undercover pirate, Hawkins journey to Sabaody
- "South Blue" Volumes -> Kidd Pirates journey (connecting to their flashback, which will come at some point) and how they earned those high bounties, Jewerly Bonney upbringing as a Pirate and her arrival to Sabaody (connected to her flashback, another one that will come for sure)
- Another volume for Capone (West Blue), Apoo (Grand Line), and Urouge (Sky Islands)
Let's say 5-10 volumes for each Blue and Oda could add a whole lot of islands/stories/profundity to One Piece World

But dreams aside
I doubt that Warlords are the only way to be recognized, I can easily see Kidd Pirates destroying an OG Pirate crew and getting a bounty boost for example, or Apoo causing havoc in the wrong place and resulting in him beating the shit out of some importan vice admirals, or Hawkins submitting an important kingdom etc..
These scenarios are all plausible and are the sort of shit we can be sure that they did, otherwise they wouldn't be called Supernovas

But yeah, having the real schedule of their journey would be much better cause for now we can just speculate

 

[Blother Fertitta]

My dream is that Oda, once One Piece is finished, will draw some last volumes to complete the SNs journey to Sabaody and how they earned their bounties.. something like:
- "North Blue" Volumes -> Law's pirate life post-Doffy family till Sabaody, Drake's training the Marines and his journey as an undercover pirate, Hawkins journey to Sabaody
- "South Blue" Volumes -> Kidd Pirates journey (connecting to their flashback, which will come at some point) and how they earned those high bounties, Jewerly Bonney upbringing as a Pirate and her arrival to Sabaody (connected to her flashback, another one that will come for sure)
- Another volume for Capone (West Blue), Apoo (Grand Line), and Urouge (Sky Islands)
Let's say 5-10 volumes for each Blue and Oda could add a whole lot of islands/stories/profundity to One Piece World

But dreams aside
I doubt that Warlords are the only way to be recognized, I can easily see Kidd Pirates destroying an OG Pirate crew and getting a bounty boost for example, or Apoo causing havoc in the wrong place and resulting in him beating the shit out of some importan vice admirals, or Hawkins submitting an important kingdom etc..
These scenarios are all plausible and are the sort of shit we can be sure that they did, otherwise they wouldn't be called Supernovas

But yeah, having the real schedule of their journey would be much better cause for now we can just speculate

I only see Law, Kid, and Bonney getting that attention. Law for possible Sword ties.
Kid because CoC rise and awakening.
And Bonney because of Kuma, maybe Void Century, Roger ties.
I don’t think Hawkins nor Apoo will get shit.
Urouge maybe some shit with Elbaf.
And X Drake/Law? And Sword get some WG final war mini arc

 

[Ricassian]

I only see Law, Kid, and Bonney getting that attention. Law for possible Sword ties.
Kid because CoC rise and awakening.
And Bonney because of Kuma, maybe Void Century, Roger ties.
I don’t think Hawkins nor Apoo will get shit.
Urouge maybe some shit with Elbaf.
And X Drake/Law? And Sword get some WG final war mini arc

Yeah
Apoo, Hawkins and so on wouldn't get much attention but
- Kidd's volumes located in South Blue would be centred on him and Killer, but could include a Bonney cameo (crossing the Kidd Pirates path a pair of times for her own affairs, for example) and Apoo cameo (Kidd and Apoo seem to have met each other before)
- Law's volumes having Drake as co-protgonist (SWORD connection) and a cameo with Hawkins (appearing briefly in the story)
I mean, even by taking just Kidd and Law as main protagonists, Oda could make other SNs appear here and there, dropping infos on why they are there/what they're doing/what they did and so on
Anyway, as I said, I wouldn't expect much insight for Capone, Apoo, Hawkins...

 

[Finalbeta]

I think Choppah's bounty has been the most inconsistent, it breaks beyond any theory. I know it's most likely a gag from the author, and yet it did occur. The pattern is wholly inconsistent. I don't think Oda would portray discrimination, if one is a threat they are a threat, not just because they look cute. The explanation is that Marine was biased and didn't understand who he truly was.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I think Choppah's bounty has been the most inconsistent, it breaks beyond any theory. I know it's most likely a gag from the author, and yet it did occur. The pattern is wholly inconsistent. I don't think Oda would portray discrimination, if one is a threat they are a threat, not just because they look cute. The explanation is that Marine was biased and didn't understand who he truly was.

Bepo's bounty is worst. Because the Marines are confirmed to know about Minks

 

[Finalbeta]

Bepo's bounty is worst. Because the Marines are confirmed to know about Minks

Indeed. That's an aggravating circumstance.