General & Others The Yonko, The Marines, Warlords, CP0, Reverie... all of it is... BULLSHIT

#1
I was working on a 3 justices and their impact on the evolution of Marines. Getting into the second justice it hit me.. hold on, even though justices are important to the Marines.. how important are they to the actual World Government top dogs who run the world. So I got into some digging to find some evidence of the top WG officials: Gorosei or IMU having any references or hints about justice.... and.. I found nothing. So I scratched that thread and started up this one, so let's get into it.


We've seen the Marines stress about enforcing their justice. We have seen the Emperors talk about conquering the world. But in the end all of it is just bullshit... Let's take a look at some of this stuff:


Absolute Justice:

The Gorosei openly told Sakazuki that the Marines are just the outer face of the World Government, that's it. Marines really don't have much value for the World Government as far as ideals go, they're just there to be used by them when needed to carry out their dirty work and pretty much manage their seas. Then they're out here making deals with the 4 emperors and holding meetings with them... which goes against their so called "absolute justice" that is the main ideology of the Marines put into them by the World Government.

Conquering the world:

Kaido, Shiki, Big Mom, Xebec.. these dudes wanted/want to conquer the world. But who got even remotely close to challenging the Commander-in-Chief of the World Government.. let alone the Gorosei & Imu? None, they couldn't even sniff them let alone get close to challenging them. They either get dealt with by the Marines or just other pirates/criminals that roam around the seas.




You see while One Piece may have originally been a manga about Luffy taking down the 4 emperors for Oda, all of that changed during chapter 100, The Legend Begins, with the introduction of this man:

At this point we had no clue what he was really talking about. In fact we had no clue about his relation to Luffy or what he was about or anything at all. But that panel of "The World is waiting for our answer" set the story on a path that was higher than mere pirate battles. But that higher path the story was going to go towards was cemented with chapter 233, The World's Greatest Power, with the introduction of the Gorosei as "Supreme leaders of the World Government". The dudes who are designed after famous influential politicians/rulers of the real world.

At this point the Yonko/Admirals and such were still "the shit" you know, like what they did mattered and shit and seemed important. But then there were few panels here and there with the Gorosei that started to put that in question..Chapter 793, that pretty much showcases the Marines are nothing but a tool to the Gorosei, with their Honor not mattering at all to them or their face:

But it's like ok, the Yonko are still doing their thing you know, big dogs of the world running their own shit independent of the Gorosei.. but i'll be damned... you got Orochi making deals with the CP0 them knowing that Orochi is related to Kaido, you had them approving Doflamingo's trade and being fine with it even before that, but the ultimate "i'll be damned" moment happened in chapter 907, before Orochi-CP0 and after Doflamingo-underworld trade:


Luffy's so called "idol", and arguably the top emperor in terms of sheer prowess is having tea time discussion with the Gorosei. And they ain't even treating this dude like a threat at all. They're like "Ok kid, what do you want?? Why'd you come all the way here?? We only made this time cause you requested it so don't waste time.".. and this dude is like "Thank you for that" / "I appreciate that." But before I could've actually digested this in and connected it all BAM.. chapter 908:


Gorosei are telling the King of the World, "Just tell us the Name you want erased from history and we'll make it happen.".. yea just tell us the name of the scrub you want eliminated and we got you.

The Admirals, Yonko, Warlords, they all exist because the Gorosei & Imu are letting them exist. That is it. And why do they let them exist? Because it's them playing with the world and keeping everyone busy with each other so they can simply run the world without any big nuisance pestering them. But there is one pest that is pestering them right now that they haven't been able to take out in the last decade, Luffy's own father.. and soon it'll be luffy himself along with dozens of others once people in the OP world wake up to the reality of things that they are nothing but mere pawns playing to the tune of powers much higher than them.


Politics is the name of the game. 6 people in the world of One Piece play everyone like mere pawns in a chess game. The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.
 
#4
exactly and thats, why nobody gives an shit about the admiral just the elite Marine, were able to overpower one yonko crew
Ace,Jozu and Curiel got no diff they were owned just like a piece of trash

Now we have Marco who is equally strong as an Admiral but even that is a trifling matter for the WG
even when Kuzan left and Akainu got promoted they easily filled the gap with 2 admirals like it was nothing so WB barely got one or two Admiral level fighters after 33 years of gathering resources the WG easily replaces 2 of them in a matter of moments

If assume each Gorosei is strong as an admiral then we have just in Marygeiose 5 admiral warriors plus Kong a former admiral
if you add CP-0 ( prob the chief is Admiral level) then we have 7 Admiral warriors above the ground
in Marineford you 4 Admirals and 2 who are on that class in total they have 13 Admiral warrior fighters plus Im plus the secret weapon
they have 13 Marcos or 13 Kings in there arsenal plus an huge army
they could annhilate any yonko crew they want if they would go all out
 
#6
I was working on a 3 justices and their impact on the evolution of Marines. Getting into the second justice it hit me.. hold on, even though justices are important to the Marines.. how important are they to the actual World Government top dogs who run the world. So I got into some digging to find some evidence of the top WG officials: Gorosei or IMU having any references or hints about justice.... and.. I found nothing. So I scratched that thread and started up this one, so let's get into it.


We've seen the Marines stress about enforcing their justice. We have seen the Emperors talk about conquering the world. But in the end all of it is just bullshit... Let's take a look at some of this stuff:


Absolute Justice:

The Gorosei openly told Sakazuki that the Marines are just the outer face of the World Government, that's it. Marines really don't have much value for the World Government as far as ideals go, they're just there to be used by them when needed to carry out their dirty work and pretty much manage their seas. Then they're out here making deals with the 4 emperors and holding meetings with them... which goes against their so called "absolute justice" that is the main ideology of the Marines put into them by the World Government.

Conquering the world:

Kaido, Shiki, Big Mom, Xebec.. these dudes wanted/want to conquer the world. But who got even remotely close to challenging the Commander-in-Chief of the World Government.. let alone the Gorosei & Imu? None, they couldn't even sniff them let alone get close to challenging them. They either get dealt with by the Marines or just other pirates/criminals that roam around the seas.




You see while One Piece may have originally been a manga about Luffy taking down the 4 emperors for Oda, all of that changed during chapter 100, The Legend Begins, with the introduction of this man:

At this point we had no clue what he was really talking about. In fact we had no clue about his relation to Luffy or what he was about or anything at all. But that panel of "The World is waiting for our answer" set the story on a path that was higher than mere pirate battles. But that higher path the story was going to go towards was cemented with chapter 233, The World's Greatest Power, with the introduction of the Gorosei as "Supreme leaders of the World Government". The dudes who are designed after famous influential politicians/rulers of the real world.

At this point the Yonko/Admirals and such were still "the shit" you know, like what they did mattered and shit and seemed important. But then there were few panels here and there with the Gorosei that started to put that in question..Chapter 793, that pretty much showcases the Marines are nothing but a tool to the Gorosei, with their Honor not mattering at all to them or their face:

But it's like ok, the Yonko are still doing their thing you know, big dogs of the world running their own shit independent of the Gorosei.. but i'll be damned... you got Orochi making deals with the CP0 them knowing that Orochi is related to Kaido, you had them approving Doflamingo's trade and being fine with it even before that, but the ultimate "i'll be damned" moment happened in chapter 907, before Orochi-CP0 and after Doflamingo-underworld trade:


Luffy's so called "idol", and arguably the top emperor in terms of sheer prowess is having tea time discussion with the Gorosei. And they ain't even treating this dude like a threat at all. They're like "Ok kid, what do you want?? Why'd you come all the way here?? We only made this time cause you requested it so don't waste time.".. and this dude is like "Thank you for that" / "I appreciate that." But before I could've actually digested this in and connected it all BAM.. chapter 908:


Gorosei are telling the King of the World, "Just tell us the Name you want erased from history and we'll make it happen.".. yea just tell us the name of the scrub you want eliminated and we got you.

The Admirals, Yonko, Warlords, they all exist because the Gorosei & Imu are letting them exist. That is it. And why do they let them exist? Because it's them playing with the world and keeping everyone busy with each other so they can simply run the world without any big nuisance pestering them. But there is one pest that is pestering them right now that they haven't been able to take out in the last decade, Luffy's own father.. and soon it'll be luffy himself along with dozens of others once people in the OP world wake up to the reality of things that they are nothing but mere pawns playing to the tune of powers much higher than them.


Politics is the name of the game. 6 people in the world of One Piece play everyone like mere pawns in a chess game. The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.
Exactly this.
The whole balance of power is just a scam to stop anyone to reach Laugh tale. Powerful Pirates fighting among themselves while the marines caught the rest is exactly what they wanted.

The WG is not scared of the emperors allying themselves because they would be too stronk !!! But because they would put their knowledge in common and reach Laughtale more easily (which is basically what Roger did).

I mean the WG is actually working with 2 of them :

-Shanks for intel and « keep the peace »
-Kaido for weapons

This is what lead me to think that the marines might try to make a coup at one point.
 
#7
Exactly this.
The whole balance of power is just a scam to stop anyone to reach Laugh tale. Powerful Pirates fighting among themselves while the marines caught the rest is exactly what they wanted.

The WG is not scared of the emperors allying themselves because they would be too stronk !!! But because they would put their knowledge in common and reach Laughtale more easily (which is basically what Roger did).

I mean the WG is actually working with 2 of them :

-Shanks for intel and « keep the peace »
-Kaido for weapons

This is what lead me to think that the marines might try to make a coup at one point.
To add to your point The only reason why the Marineford war happened was because Imu got paranoid about Whitebeard wanting to make Ace(a D) the next pirate king, he clearly views Blackbeard and Luffy as far greater threats than Kaido Big Mom and Shanks could ever be because they are a D

He clearly doesn't give a shit about The Yonko since no matter how strong they could become, without the will of The D they will never be a threat to him , if anything he probably thinks they would stop any D from rising

It would be interesting to see Akainu's reaction when he finds out that The World Government is basically just Imu's Puppets
 
#8
To add to your point The only reason why the Marineford war happened was because Imu got paranoid about Whitebeard wanting to make Ace(a D) the next pirate king, he clearly views Blackbeard and Luffy as far greater threats than Kaido Big Mom and Shanks could ever be because they are a D

He clearly doesn't give a shit about The Yonko since no matter how strong they could become, without the will of The D they will never be a threat to him , if anything he probably thinks they would stop any D from rising

It would be interesting to see Akainu's reaction when he finds out that The World Government is basically just Imu's Puppets
Yeah Imus existence should go against Akainus sense of absolute justice
I can see him fighting Imu in the end. The question is does he know about him already
 
#10
Shanks in on good terms because he is working with the WG.
Shanks made sure that Kaido would not interup the execution of Ace.
Someone told the Marines that Ace was Rogers son. probably it was Shanks.
Shanks went to MF and asked Sengoku to stop the war to which Sengoku oddly agreed. agreeing while stating that its because its Shanks... suspicious af.
Shanks knew the location of all the Road Poneglyphs. the only 1 that is easily accessible goes missing. interesting.
Buggy never got chased by the marines for being a Roger Pirate. yeah, cause Shanks knew that Buggy never went to Laugh Tale and does not know of the VC.
Roger went sick. WB went sick. everyone close to OP goes sick. yeah as if.
Shanks is WGs hitman!

whats most suspicious is that in OP dreams get passed on. normally dreams only get passed on when the one with the dream is unable to fulfill the dream. Shanks on the other hand gives Luffy the hat while he himself is the person closest to reaching Laugh Tale.
there is no dream being passed down here. Shanks is still actively chasing this dream. hes acting like a gatekeeper to Laugh Tale.
he makes sure that the right people reach it. and if someone else does or gets close to he offs them.
why does Shanks bait Luffy into going to Laugh Tale? because he can not go himself. for some reason.
thats why he conveniently stayed behind when the Roger Pirates went. it would have blown his cover!

*drops mic*

that is a way easier explanation.
the WG does not tolerate the Yonko, they can simply not remove them yet. not without risk of falling themselves.
Shanks is alone in MJ. even if hes a Yonko, he can not flex on the Gorosei here. not alone at least.
 
#11
Shanks in on good terms because he is working with the WG.
Shanks made sure that Kaido would not interup the execution of Ace.
Someone told the Marines that Ace was Rogers son. probably it was Shanks.
Shanks went to MF and asked Sengoku to stop the war to which Sengoku oddly agreed. agreeing while stating that its because its Shanks... suspicious af.
Shanks knew the location of all the Road Poneglyphs. the only 1 that is easily accessible goes missing. interesting.
Buggy never got chased by the marines for being a Roger Pirate. yeah, cause Shanks knew that Buggy never went to Laugh Tale and does not know of the VC.
Roger went sick. WB went sick. everyone close to OP goes sick. yeah as if.
Shanks is WGs hitman!

whats most suspicious is that in OP dreams get passed on. normally dreams only get passed on when the one with the dream is unable to fulfill the dream. Shanks on the other hand gives Luffy the hat while he himself is the person closest to reaching Laugh Tale.
there is no dream being passed down here. Shanks is still actively chasing this dream. hes acting like a gatekeeper to Laugh Tale.
he makes sure that the right people reach it. and if someone else does or gets close to he offs them.
why does Shanks bait Luffy into going to Laugh Tale? because he can not go himself. for some reason.
thats why he conveniently stayed behind when the Roger Pirates went. it would have blown his cover!

*drops mic*

that is a way easier explanation.
the WG does not tolerate the Yonko, they can simply not remove them yet. not without risk of falling themselves.
Shanks is alone in MJ. even if hes a Yonko, he can not flex on the Gorosei here. not alone at least.
Shanks is Ym sama
 

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World's Strongest Swordsman
#12
Shanks in on good terms because he is working with the WG.
Shanks made sure that Kaido would not interup the execution of Ace.
Someone told the Marines that Ace was Rogers son. probably it was Shanks.
Shanks went to MF and asked Sengoku to stop the war to which Sengoku oddly agreed. agreeing while stating that its because its Shanks... suspicious af.
Shanks knew the location of all the Road Poneglyphs. the only 1 that is easily accessible goes missing. interesting.
Buggy never got chased by the marines for being a Roger Pirate. yeah, cause Shanks knew that Buggy never went to Laugh Tale and does not know of the VC.
Roger went sick. WB went sick. everyone close to OP goes sick. yeah as if.
Shanks is WGs hitman!

whats most suspicious is that in OP dreams get passed on. normally dreams only get passed on when the one with the dream is unable to fulfill the dream. Shanks on the other hand gives Luffy the hat while he himself is the person closest to reaching Laugh Tale.
there is no dream being passed down here. Shanks is still actively chasing this dream. hes acting like a gatekeeper to Laugh Tale.
he makes sure that the right people reach it. and if someone else does or gets close to he offs them.
why does Shanks bait Luffy into going to Laugh Tale? because he can not go himself. for some reason.
thats why he conveniently stayed behind when the Roger Pirates went. it would have blown his cover!

*drops mic*

that is a way easier explanation.
the WG does not tolerate the Yonko, they can simply not remove them yet. not without risk of falling themselves.
Shanks is alone in MJ. even if hes a Yonko, he can not flex on the Gorosei here. not alone at least.
I think for sure either shanks or buggy if not both were celestial dragon/noble kids that were saved by roger and garp from rox at god valley.
 
#14
good thread. there were hints from the very beginning but the introduction of robin and the poneglyph thing made it obvious this story is that of a huge history fraud. history is written by the victors. call it a conspiracy if you will (technically, it is).
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Exactly this.
The whole balance of power is just a scam to stop anyone to reach Laugh tale. Powerful Pirates fighting among themselves while the marines caught the rest is exactly what they wanted.

The WG is not scared of the emperors allying themselves because they would be too stronk !!! But because they would put their knowledge in common and reach Laughtale more easily (which is basically what Roger did).

I mean the WG is actually working with 2 of them :

-Shanks for intel and « keep the peace »
-Kaido for weapons

This is what lead me to think that the marines might try to make a coup at one point.
to think that linlin the rabid cannibal is the only (living) yonko who hasn't bent the knee....tsk-tsk

(BB was a warlord for some time so he was a WG ally)
 
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#16
I was working on a 3 justices and their impact on the evolution of Marines. Getting into the second justice it hit me.. hold on, even though justices are important to the Marines.. how important are they to the actual World Government top dogs who run the world. So I got into some digging to find some evidence of the top WG officials: Gorosei or IMU having any references or hints about justice.... and.. I found nothing. So I scratched that thread and started up this one, so let's get into it.


We've seen the Marines stress about enforcing their justice. We have seen the Emperors talk about conquering the world. But in the end all of it is just bullshit... Let's take a look at some of this stuff:


Absolute Justice:

The Gorosei openly told Sakazuki that the Marines are just the outer face of the World Government, that's it. Marines really don't have much value for the World Government as far as ideals go, they're just there to be used by them when needed to carry out their dirty work and pretty much manage their seas. Then they're out here making deals with the 4 emperors and holding meetings with them... which goes against their so called "absolute justice" that is the main ideology of the Marines put into them by the World Government.

Conquering the world:

Kaido, Shiki, Big Mom, Xebec.. these dudes wanted/want to conquer the world. But who got even remotely close to challenging the Commander-in-Chief of the World Government.. let alone the Gorosei & Imu? None, they couldn't even sniff them let alone get close to challenging them. They either get dealt with by the Marines or just other pirates/criminals that roam around the seas.




You see while One Piece may have originally been a manga about Luffy taking down the 4 emperors for Oda, all of that changed during chapter 100, The Legend Begins, with the introduction of this man:

At this point we had no clue what he was really talking about. In fact we had no clue about his relation to Luffy or what he was about or anything at all. But that panel of "The World is waiting for our answer" set the story on a path that was higher than mere pirate battles. But that higher path the story was going to go towards was cemented with chapter 233, The World's Greatest Power, with the introduction of the Gorosei as "Supreme leaders of the World Government". The dudes who are designed after famous influential politicians/rulers of the real world.

At this point the Yonko/Admirals and such were still "the shit" you know, like what they did mattered and shit and seemed important. But then there were few panels here and there with the Gorosei that started to put that in question..Chapter 793, that pretty much showcases the Marines are nothing but a tool to the Gorosei, with their Honor not mattering at all to them or their face:

But it's like ok, the Yonko are still doing their thing you know, big dogs of the world running their own shit independent of the Gorosei.. but i'll be damned... you got Orochi making deals with the CP0 them knowing that Orochi is related to Kaido, you had them approving Doflamingo's trade and being fine with it even before that, but the ultimate "i'll be damned" moment happened in chapter 907, before Orochi-CP0 and after Doflamingo-underworld trade:


Luffy's so called "idol", and arguably the top emperor in terms of sheer prowess is having tea time discussion with the Gorosei. And they ain't even treating this dude like a threat at all. They're like "Ok kid, what do you want?? Why'd you come all the way here?? We only made this time cause you requested it so don't waste time.".. and this dude is like "Thank you for that" / "I appreciate that." But before I could've actually digested this in and connected it all BAM.. chapter 908:


Gorosei are telling the King of the World, "Just tell us the Name you want erased from history and we'll make it happen.".. yea just tell us the name of the scrub you want eliminated and we got you.

The Admirals, Yonko, Warlords, they all exist because the Gorosei & Imu are letting them exist. That is it. And why do they let them exist? Because it's them playing with the world and keeping everyone busy with each other so they can simply run the world without any big nuisance pestering them. But there is one pest that is pestering them right now that they haven't been able to take out in the last decade, Luffy's own father.. and soon it'll be luffy himself along with dozens of others once people in the OP world wake up to the reality of things that they are nothing but mere pawns playing to the tune of powers much higher than them.


Politics is the name of the game. 6 people in the world of One Piece play everyone like mere pawns in a chess game. The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.

Finally someone made a thread of what I was thinking all the time. Thank you 👌


As such, the strongest enemies are not yonkos or admirals, but the gorosei and imu.


As such, one should have a clear picture when it comes to powerscaling.

Every enemy of luffy in the story is just there, so that luffy can become stronger, till he fights his last fight. Against imu.

So what does this mean? Even the admirals and yonkos are "just stepping stones" for luffy and his friends.

We can probably add to that roger and garp. Even they at their prime couldn't defeat imu and the gorosei. Adding to that that they don't have the numbers (support of the world), they never made their move. Heck, roger's life was dedicated to the one, who will free the world. Yep, the one piece itself (the myth) was made for luffy.

Rocks wanted to fight the celestial dragons but he was too weak (even though he is quite strong)

So luffy has to surprass roger, rocks and garp. In both ways.

And as a test for that will be the roger, rocks and garp of this era. Aka shanks, blackbeard and dragon.


That is why, luffy's promise to shanks at the beginning will come later back, as a fight between shanks and luffy, to see if luffy has surprassed roger and thus being worthy of the one piece.

At least, that is my theory about the flow of the story.


So please my beloved op community, consider this when debating about power levels. :-)
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So nope, I don't believe kaido to be the strongest creature in the world. That's just what people say. Just hype. And I don't think that right now he is stronger than shanks. Not because I'm a fan of shanks but because of his role in the story.
 
#20
Meh, I get all the Imu hype but on the other hand before that throne scene he was scredding the bounty posters of BB, Luffy and Shiraoshi with a sword like an angry kid would do with people he hates. That gave big Spandam vibes so in the end he could just be a bigger scum than even Carlos with some super hax or simply get the ope ope operation centuries ago, maybe even some haxed power on the top of that (df, some ereditary super power like voat or the likes) but nonetheless a Spandam/Carlos character.
 
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