General & Others Things Luffy Basically "Handed" to BlackBeard

#23
Sure, all he does is reap from convenient events.
We all know he'd find another way to do all those things without Luffy, just not as fast, his plan was in the works far before Luffy even became relevant. If what BB is doing is easy, most pirates would do the same thing, but it's not and that's why currently he seems to be the most successful pirate.
 
#24
We all know he'd find another way to do all those things without Luffy, just not as fast, his plan was in the works far before Luffy even became relevant. If what BB is doing is easy, most pirates would do the same thing, but it's not and that's why currently he seems to be the most successful pirate.
That's a lot of words for it just being easy for Oda to stage to make Blackbeard actually accomplish something, without really doing anything relevant in the manga until the end game.
 
#25
That's a lot of words for it just being easy for Oda to stage to make Blackbeard actually accomplish something, without really doing anything relevant in the manga until the end game.
His patience and long-term planning is unmatched, what's even better is that he didn't eat the first fruit that comes his way, but actually waited for the perfect one, to top it all off he's the first person to have more than one fruit which is often overlooked, but is probably the best powerscaling feat in One Piece, not even legends like Roger or WB can eat more than one fruit, Teach's potential is almost unlimited. To say he didn't accomplish anything while being the only person in history that can eat multiple fruits and even possesses two of the best ones is disingenuous.
 
#26
His patience and long-term planning is unmatched, what's even better is that he didn't eat the first fruit that comes his way, but actually waited for the perfect one, to top it all off he's the first person to have more than one fruit which is often overlooked, but is probably the best powerscaling feat in One Piece, not even legends like Roger or WB can eat more than one fruit, Teach's potential is almost unlimited. To say he didn't accomplish anything while being the only person in history that can eat multiple fruits and even possesses two of the best ones is disingenuous.
Are you saying being able to eat two fruits is his accomplishment? That's more likely something to do with his body/lineage/nature etc. than anything that he has accomplished. He was different from the get go, even child Shanks knew.

At waiting he's definitely the master :kata:
 
#27
Are you saying being able to eat two fruits is his accomplishment? That's more likely something to do with his body/lineage/nature etc. than anything that he has accomplished. He was different from the get go, even child Shanks knew.

At waiting he's definitely the master :kata:
Yes it is, natural talent means nothing if you don't know how to use it. I think the only people that hate BB as a villain are the people that prefer jobbers like Crocodile or Doflamingo, now those are the guys that actually haven't accomplished anything noteworthy in their pirate career.
 
#28
Yes it is, natural talent means nothing if you don't know how to use it. I think the only people that hate BB as a villain are the people that prefer jobbers like Crocodile or Doflamingo, now those are the guys that actually haven't accomplished anything noteworthy in their pirate career.
Meh, we were discussing his actual accomplishments, the fact that he's *gifted* just stems from the fact that he's the main villain. Even the Nika stuff isn't an accomplishment, it's just mc syndrome.

In terms of what he's actually done is: seize opportunities (conveniently ofc) and that's is it.
 
#29
Meh, we were discussing his actual accomplishments, the fact that he's *gifted* just stems from the fact that he's the main villain. Even the Nika stuff isn't an accomplishment, it's just mc syndrome.

In terms of what he's actually done is: seize opportunities (conveniently ofc) and that's is it.
"Seizing opportunities">Everything the other villains have done so far.
I agree about Luffy, anything other than maybe his haki mastery is just pure luck.
 
#30
"Seizing opportunities">Everything the other villains have done so far.
I agree about Luffy, anything other than maybe his haki mastery is just pure luck.
I'd say Akainu killing Ace is actually the biggest thing a villain has done so far, but both Akainu and Blackbeard have done fuck all since Marineford.
 

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#35
Bro its crazy, almost everything lmfao

He got poneglyphs from law who basically has them thanks to luffy
Could invade Weakened WCI thanks to luffy
Saturn delivered to them in plate thanks to luffy
Not as big but caribou who knows about poseidon and pluton
Thats crazy lmfao
Thinking of Caribou as a package containing Posiedon and Pluton's info that the Straw Hats have been unintentionally delivering to Blackbeard the entire timeskip is so fucking funny to me.

Luffy seeks situations full of strong people to compete against, Blackbeard seeks situations full of strong people he can take advantage of at their weakest.

Yet, Blackbeard will always fail, because of that.

Katakuri will ally with the Straw Hats in the future against Blackbeard thanks to his respect for Luffy and love for Pudding, so Luffy's effort will surpass Teach's scheming.

Saturn having his identity stolen by Catarina helps the Straw Hats by weakening the WG's control over Pacifista and the Marines' power.

Caribou revealing Pluton will lead to Wano's Borders being opened as Oden wanted.

Luffy does something, Blackbeard profits immediately by taking advantage of the chaos Luffy caused, then Luffy wins in the end thanks to his hard work.

I really like that writing.
 
#36
Bro its crazy, almost everything lmfao

He got poneglyphs from law who basically has them thanks to luffy
Could invade Weakened WCI thanks to luffy
Saturn delivered to them in plate thanks to luffy
Not as big but caribou who knows about poseidon and pluton
Thats crazy lmfao
did u forget impeldown invasion?
 
#37
I prefer killing WB an actual legend in that case, if killing is all that matters, but it doesn't.
In terms of villain accomplishments, it's the most important cause they actually got the work done. Akainu at that point was most accomplished; got rid of the pirate who was supposed to get executed, got rid of a Yonko.

Blackbeard set Marineford in motion, but after that he's mostly been surfing along the plot for 15 years.
 
#38
In terms of villain accomplishments, it's the most important cause they actually got the work done. Akainu at that point was most accomplished; got rid of the pirate who was supposed to get executed, got rid of a Yonko.

Blackbeard set Marineford in motion, but after that he's mostly been surfing along the plot for 15 years.
He still got poneglyphs, a poneglyph reader and perfect fruits for each of his crew members, soon he's going to kill Shanks and solidify his place at the top. I don't agree that killing Ace or even any Yonko is nearly as noteworthy as having multiple fruits, even though rare, Yonko do fall from time to time, having two fruits happens almost never.
 
#39
He still got poneglyphs, a poneglyph reader and perfect fruits for each of his crew members, soon he's going to kill Shanks and solidify his place at the top. I don't agree that killing Ace or even any Yonko is nearly as noteworthy as having multiple fruits, even though rare, Yonko do fall from time to time, having two fruits happens almost never.
We go back to two fruits not being an accomplishment, so I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Beefing up his crew for 15 years and getting the poneglyphs at the opportune moment is all he did. Now of course Oda is saving him for last, but it's pretty damning that the most note worthy thing he did was run away from Ray when he wanted Boa's fruit or defeating Law's weak crew.


Why are you saying killing Shanks is solidifying his place at the top if you don't think killing matters? A little contradictory :wellwell:
 
#40
We go back to two fruits not being an accomplishment, so I guess we have to agree to disagree.

Beefing up his crew for 15 years and getting the poneglyphs at the opportune moment is all he did. Now of course Oda is saving him for last, but it's pretty damning that the most note worthy thing he did was run away from Ray when he wanted Boa's fruit or defeating Law's weak crew.


Why are you saying killing Shanks is solidifying his place at the top if you don't think killing matters? A little contradictory :wellwell:
I'm just using your logic, if killing is all that matters, killing Shanks is surely more important than killing Ace, isn't it?
 
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