Role Madness Too Many Doctors (Game Thread)

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
i polarized my slot so hard you're skill diffing yourself tbh

my issues with hime were mostly how dense she was in pushing a bad plan. the watcher plan is separate from what flower and i were initially proposing, and that was not the plan hime was opposing
Hime's original suggestion was to treat the game as Vanilla, which is fine if you accept a slow game. It's not going to lose the game, at any rate.
 
nah i dont think it would be outing, ppl push ppl all the time in mafia
as long as they arent too "out there" abt it, it should be ok i think
Yah but what if their “casing” isn’t quite good enough to be convincing in that situation vs other scum reads for majority of townie poe’s. 1 scum for our 1 watcher isn’t necessarily the greatest trade.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Literally not hard to follow the instructions. People like doing their own thing, but they also aren’t idiots who can’t see that this course of action is the optimal path.
Inactive/don't read/don't agree with the target/don't like being told what to do/feel they should be fine because they think others will not follow - I mean take your pick. Let's get to brass tacks. How are you going to select a target Flower?
 

EkkoLoJinx

Hate me... as long as you're alive to do it...
Hime's original suggestion was to treat the game as Vanilla, which is fine if you accept a slow game. It's not going to lose the game, at any rate.
sure, none said that this was scummy from hime, we r just saying if u got kills u might as well use them
 
Ratchet is scum trying to discourage the plan. Scums even have visiting roles that do nothing for this exact reason so they’re not outed in such a scenario, meaning the host even intended the game to be played like this. Surely not that hard to figure this out for the best player in the game.

Good Night.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Anyway, I had a bunch of quotes but I can't really be bothered posting them.

I didn't like how Ekko initially tried to pair Fuji off with me. While he didn't play it off as serious his follow up to my entrance suggests it's an angle hes going for, and I suspect he might be playing positionally.

Flower buddying with Ekko straight away is also weird, and logically her case on hime was poor. I don't just disagree with it. The notion that scum would contest a plan that, quite frankly, doesn't really guarantee anything, all because they're scum, doesn't hold up - scum are not the ones eager to draw attention to themselves that way. Contention like hime's pretty much always comes from town, and her way of working into that read wasnt very good. Also treating my slot exactly the same as Ekko which is bad.

Speaking of Ekko, his arguments on hime are pretty bad too - he initially presented it as "NAI" but then also moved into a scum read, feels like a fake thought to me.

On the topic of the plan, there are a few things that they all seem to fail to consider.

Flaw #1 - a plan is only good if it considers its executors.

Simply put, the idea of everyone targeting a player is a pipe dream. It won't happen, and even if most do, there will be enough going off shoot or inactive that no one is fully exposed by it. But let's say that they are. Once the Watcher is outed, all attempts at enforcing co-operation are moot.

Flaw #2 - Who is deciding the targets

Seems to have been skipped in consideration - who is deciding who we target? I have a solution to this, it's a bit funny actually, but I want to see what the ones making this plan think. Because I think we would agree this is the single most important part of the whole plan.

Flaw #3 - late game

How does this plan work in late game? Do we assume that the watcher will never get killed?

I do think co-operation is going to be helpful on some level. But you need to be able to accommodate people going off the beaten path so to speak. Or, like I alluded to in Flaw #2, you insert some consequence for whomever decides the target.

In terms of reads, I think Yoho, hime, Hayumi, Stargate are all possible town, to varying strengths. Flower can be town, in that she's certainly capable of presenting a read that she doesn't really believe because she's angry at someone, but I have reservations there. Ekko I think can be scum, need to see how he gets treated at large though. Would lean getting a claim there. I guess flower would be at slight scum and Ekko at lean scum.
( ˶°ㅁ°) !!
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Ratchet is scum trying to discourage the plan. Scums even have visiting roles that do nothing for this exact reason so they’re not outed in such a scenario, meaning the host even intended the game to be played like this. Surely not that hard to figure this out for the best player in the game.

Good Night.
Lies. Ratchet is my head doctor. He wouldnt lead me astray.
 
Ratchet is scum trying to discourage the plan. Scums even have visiting roles that do nothing for this exact reason so they’re not outed in such a scenario, meaning the host even intended the game to be played like this. Surely not that hard to figure this out for the best player in the game.

Good Night.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Don’t think Yoho would fall for that tho if he is scum considering the last OLF game
So kind of moot point in his favor for now
Eh, he didn't seem to really agree with it after I told him about it, so who can say.
not probably, it is straight up the most effective way to do so

mafia doesnt have a way to survive town kills outside of a 1x roleblock. town can fire about 7 kill shots per night if we coordinate properly (unlikely)

this is basically like a weird form of dethy setup, a more town favored one

statistically i found the best way to approach this is we create a PoE of 5-7 slots by end of the day. lynch one of them and then do this:

arrange the 5 poe guys like this:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

then, from the real playerlist, players whose number divided by 4 = 1 (rounded down), visits player 1
players whose number divided by 4 = 2 (rounded down) visits player 2 in the poe
etc.. until we cover all 5 suspects

this covers all contingencies i can think off
meh, should just play the game vanilla imo
its the boring approach but it would make things less complex
derped not reading setup so closer to NAI
This was "the meat of the suspicion" was it Ekko? Your plan requires even more explicit co-operation than Flower's latest one. And the only way you enforce it is with the watcher, who has a 1 in 5 chance of catching the mafia who goes off schedule anyway.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Really? You mean you haven't noticed that the information you pulled up isn't in this thread? Do you not think, that someone could read the OP, and reasonably conclude that there is nothing else to say about the setup, and not think to go check the sign ups because all the mechanics listed should be present in this thread? I think that's perfectly plausible, and makes sense with how she's approached it. So does it stand Flower, or are you merely hoping it stands?
(*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.゚
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Ratchet is scum trying to discourage the plan. Scums even have visiting roles that do nothing for this exact reason so they’re not outed in such a scenario, meaning the host even intended the game to be played like this. Surely not that hard to figure this out for the best player in the game.

Good Night.
Surely you have the capacity to do better than this? Have you even answered my question about how you select a target? Are you even reading lol
 

EkkoLoJinx

Hate me... as long as you're alive to do it...
I'm pretty sure you called her out for spewing nonsense though, that is, if not directly saying it; heavily implying it
not for saying we shud play the game as vanilla. but for arguing against our first plan i.e talking about how we can be wrong and shoot townies to undermine the great possible reward behind it
 
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