Role Madness Too Many Doctors (Game Thread)
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Yeah, and if I'm wrong I'm going g to be given a lot of scrutiny. Yeah if I can't find a good solve after killing Town in my last day then I should be lynched and after my death if my legacy is worth anything you can see it for yourself. If town keep being wrong they lose, welcome to any mafia game ever.
If you take one second to put yourself in my perspective it suddenly makes sense???
Think that your most recent experience with Kingmaker was Favs 2022 (it was also mine)
You saw scum abusing it
You think a player (you) is scum
That scum read proposes Kingmaker
The scum read is universally Town read
The scum read says scum reads should be King
But you think that his main scum read is likely Town (Ekko)
So you fear that he‘s trying to chain miskills with his suggestion because as he‘s Town read he‘ll never become King or get offed with this suggestion!
Mind blowing stuff, amirite.
Think that your most recent experience with Kingmaker was Favs 2022 (it was also mine)
You saw scum abusing it
You think a player (you) is scum
That scum read proposes Kingmaker
The scum read is universally Town read
The scum read says scum reads should be King
But you think that his main scum read is likely Town (Ekko)
So you fear that he‘s trying to chain miskills with his suggestion because as he‘s Town read he‘ll never become King or get offed with this suggestion!
Mind blowing stuff, amirite.
Good job, you disproved your entire case by admitting why the King is favorable.
Obviously you're trying to angle this as the scums being the beneficiary of this, while that is far from the truth.
If the King is Town, then Scum has no real way of controlling the outcome. Push too hard and you may step out of line, pull to little and it gets drowned out.
Can scum manipulate the King to do their bidding? Yes, sure absolutely, but it is a really risky venture.
I'll once more bring forth my comparison with an ITA kill - often they attack consensus, but you really have no real control over their decisions.
The King won't get indiscriminately blamed for everything, they're not the end-all be-all, but due to them being in the spotlight, they are limited in how freely they can act.
That makes sense to me, the more they have riding on their shoulders, the more likely they are to make a mistake
Obviously you're trying to angle this as the scums being the beneficiary of this, while that is far from the truth.
If the King is Town, then Scum has no real way of controlling the outcome. Push too hard and you may step out of line, pull to little and it gets drowned out.
Can scum manipulate the King to do their bidding? Yes, sure absolutely, but it is a really risky venture.
I'll once more bring forth my comparison with an ITA kill - often they attack consensus, but you really have no real control over their decisions.
The King won't get indiscriminately blamed for everything, they're not the end-all be-all, but due to them being in the spotlight, they are limited in how freely they can act.
That makes sense to me, the more they have riding on their shoulders, the more likely they are to make a mistake
What I cant really get my head around is how Flower is using my suggestion, a suggestion designed to mitigate any scum having thread control pretty much entirely, as an example of a solution that is susceptible to scum having too much thread control. It just doesn't make sense, I think most people can see that it takes the powerwolf out of the equation because they never get a chance to leverage their bussing into chained mislynches. And if the King is town and is wrong they have all of next day to evaluate and leave a legacy.
Its probably too late to put into action because we've spent so long going in circles with it but the arguments against it are just so so bad, bad enough that I believe there is either some fundamental lack of understanding about the idea or its just concern trolling.
Its probably too late to put into action because we've spent so long going in circles with it but the arguments against it are just so so bad, bad enough that I believe there is either some fundamental lack of understanding about the idea or its just concern trolling.
I can‘t with this guy anymore.
Just gonna stop interacting, honestly. Zero attempt at understanding my perspective.
I‘ll probably get offed at this rate, but w/e. I‘m a Doc, so there‘s 14 more in the game. I‘ll try establishing a Town core you can sheep so the scum team will just get PoE‘d eventually.
Just gonna stop interacting, honestly. Zero attempt at understanding my perspective.
I‘ll probably get offed at this rate, but w/e. I‘m a Doc, so there‘s 14 more in the game. I‘ll try establishing a Town core you can sheep so the scum team will just get PoE‘d eventually.
How am I universally town read when I have had 3 separate players try to death tunnel me today, you included? Your argument here is my suggestion should be denied because you scum read me, it doesn't actually consider my suggestion on its own merits. The past games about Kingmaker have nothing to do with this because in all of them, the King doesn't die if they choose incorrectly. This isn't formal, forced Kimgmaker, it's fluid and adaptable. Its literally designed to take thread control away from people and purely put their reads to the test. It also dissuades one of the easiest ways for scum to blend in, that is by tunneling a player they know won't be lynched yet. This way they can have their convictions tested and if they chicken out, they're going to look bad for it.
There are so many ways that this can be informative but apparently I'm to believe you just don't see it, I don't really buy that at all to be honest. And I've allowed for you arguing against it and scrambling to find something to discredit it because you want me to be scum, and the way you scum hunt is by forcefitting narratives to suit what you think is the solution, but some of the arguments you've come out with are just so hamfisted and ridiculous that I cant suspect my disbelief far enough. The ONLY thing that I see in your favour is there are a few players who I think are town, think you're town, and I'm obliged to consider their read. That, and you're actually active and not finding reasons to not post. Which you can say you've completely moved past but I'm not so sure you have.
There are so many ways that this can be informative but apparently I'm to believe you just don't see it, I don't really buy that at all to be honest. And I've allowed for you arguing against it and scrambling to find something to discredit it because you want me to be scum, and the way you scum hunt is by forcefitting narratives to suit what you think is the solution, but some of the arguments you've come out with are just so hamfisted and ridiculous that I cant suspect my disbelief far enough. The ONLY thing that I see in your favour is there are a few players who I think are town, think you're town, and I'm obliged to consider their read. That, and you're actually active and not finding reasons to not post. Which you can say you've completely moved past but I'm not so sure you have.
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