General & Others Too strong to get stronger

[MonsterKaido]

We don´t know if Whitebeard used CoC and CoA in that punch or not, back then Oda never draw the haki lines.

And Akainu was fast enough to get back in sense and make a hole in the ground to get up again.



To be fair, BB get hurt by anything, doesn´t mean he has a trash endurance, dude endurance will be even above Kaido and Oden one.



On-guard he tanked Kamurasi, he got knocked out by a far weaker attack because he was offguard when Kaido hit him with it.

We have both scenarios:
- Oden get a cheap shot on his head>knocked out
- Akainu get a cheap shot+powerful blow on his rips, still standing, after a rage Whitebeard tried to kill him..

Sorry but Akainu durability and endurance seems better one than Oden one.
I doubt Oden would tank a cheap shot like how Akainu got hit twice. In fact I place a rage Whitebeard attack above a base swing attack of base Kaido.



Still a statement on his own for having one of the most best offensive df powers mate.



Still?
Same Law was able to broke Big Mom bones with his awakened moves, why you call it still?
Law awakened moves are easily top tier moves, but even he need awakening to match Gura punches, with proves how op Gura punches are.

Sorry but not betting on Akainu at this stage is not a great idea.

--I can give COA to WB. Adv coc was not even a concept that point. WB in his prime is even above shanks and most likely has comparable coc to shanks. The same shanks who paralyzed a fellow admiral in GB.

--Simply take example of old garp vs Kuzan the same Kuzan who is nigh equal to akainu and garp was dominating most of the fight and used adv coc to break instantly. WB took time and used gura to break out of Kuzan's ice proving he couldn't use adv coc

--I don't think BB's endurance is above Kaido. I am just showing even pre skip BB could withstood WB's attacks.

--I already have akainu above oden. My point is simply that using the cheap shot on oden means nothing. Akainu was fresh for most part. Oden was not fresh. He had fought a long fight which lasted long. So not fair comparison.

--Well Kaido's DF was a prize in CD competition which was covered by rocks pirate and was also hyped to be a very strong DF. Never said akainu's DF is weak or anything. On average it does have more legality than Kaido's DF but Kaido is only not based on DF alone.

--I mean do you think Kaido or oden can't match law? So akainu matching sick WB doesn't mean much. We have healthy legend tier character in garp who was doing way better against akainu's almost equal in Kuzan.

--Any yonko can match sick MF WB.

 

[[No Name]]

Read yourself before...this isn't Kuzan

Ray wish he had the strength of Kuzan.
The rival and close to Akainu, the guy who showed equal raw strength to Prime Garp during their training (as brennew said both are heroes and their strength is not innate but you achieve it by training, they did the same training, same scene, I don't want to read arguments against this), that was emotionally conflicted and hesitating against the current old one. (nothing he should be ashemed of when an hesitating old Garp got defeated by Pre ts Luffy, which also proves that emotional nerfs in One Piece are worse than phisical ones)
The one who'll make Coby surpass Prime Garp more than likely in their fight, as the theme of the best prior student VS current student who holds the weight of being the future of the marines and the goal to stop the main character from achieving his own goal.

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Basically Naruto surpassing jiraiya against Pain kinda thing.
In this case Kuzan being Pain.

 

[style]

Ray wish he had the strength of Kuzan.
The rival and close to Akainu, the guy who showed equal raw strength to Prime Garp during their training (as brennew said both are heroes and their strength is not innate but you achieve it by training, they did the same training, same scene, I don't want to read arguments against this), that was emotionally conflicted and hesitating against the current old one. (nothing he should be ashemed of when an hesitating old Garp got defeated by Pre ts Luffy, which also proves that emotional nerfs in One Piece are worse than phisical ones)
The one who'll make Coby surpass Prime Garp more than likely in their fight, as the theme of the best prior student VS current student who holds the weight of being the future of the marines and the goal to stop the main character from achieving his own goal.

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Basically Naruto surpassing jiraiya against Pain kinda thing.
In this case Kuzan being Pain.

useless comparison to elevate Kuzan as MF Garp was not nerfed, he simply let Luffy go, which is different.

Even if we recognize that Aokiji was mentally nerfed, that is compensated with the fact Kuzan still used tons of extra help to deal with Old Garp.
In short his performance was still not impressive, not saying it was poor. But not impressive either

while Old Ray fending off a 4B Yonko in his old age is jaw dropping. Kuzan will never match Old Ray's aura.

 

[park_min young]

The only people above Rocks pirates are Roger, Imu and Joyboy
The only people above Oden are those I cited above alongside Rocks pirates

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Fighting sickbeard who's dying doesn't mean you're near kaido or superior

Akainu will never surpass Kaido
He can't even beat nerfed kuma
Please let go of that dream

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Oden was already tired from fighting for hours and suffering damages from Kaido during that war offscreen.
That's why he was beaten as soon as he was offguard

Akainu was fresh, nobody hurt him before WB did those 2 moves
And No, Akainu doesn't have better endurance and durability when he was out after 2 moves

You guys never learn

Only surpassing Kaido are Teach and Luffy
Imu and Joyboy are already above

No other villain or top tier nowadays will ever be above kaido in feats

I don’t mind the Kaido>Akainu take but your arguments are so disingenuous lmfao
- Kuma has regen and that wasn’t even an anti-feat for Akainu. The same half-dead Kuma could destroy Saturn in a single punch. Also, Kaido can’t even finish off a 1 hp Kinemon with an acoc attack plus a stab through the torso. That’s the real anti-feat right there lol

- Akainu wasn’t even out after WB’s attacks and the same attacks would do the same shit to Kaido. Kaido was knocked down and forced into a vulnerable position by 4 Scabbards doing a combo move. Wtf do you think will 2 enraged punches from WB (that could split MF in half) would do to him?

 

[JoNdule]

I don’t mind the Kaido>Akainu take but your arguments are so disingenuous lmfao
- Kuma has regen and that wasn’t even an anti-feat for Akainu. The same half-dead Kuma could destroy Saturn in a single punch. Also, Kaido can’t even finish off a 1 hp Kinemon with an acoc attack plus a stab through the torso. That’s the real anti-feat right there lol

- Akainu wasn’t even out after WB’s attacks and the same attacks would do the same shit to Kaido. Kaido was knocked down and forced into a vulnerable position by 4 Scabbards doing a combo move. Wtf do you think will 2 enraged punches from WB (that could split MF in half) would do to him?

He failed to beat or captuee nerfed Kuma
You can make excuses like you want
Akainu failed despite his lethal AP and named attacks

 

[[No Name]]

Kuzan will never match Old Ray's aura.

If you speak of aura as a criteria you might better re-consider all of your scaling, since Mihawk didn't get that much aura at mf, same for Prime Ray in Oden flashback...
Shanks in that scenario would have probably put everyone to kneel with his CoC.

 

[park_min young]

He failed to beat or captuee nerfed Kuma
You can make excuses like you want
Akainu failed despite his lethal AP and named attacks

Kuma has regen lol, anybody else on or below Kuma’s level would have died there… *ahem Scabbards.
Really bad arguments, you don’t have to bring up disingenuous anti-feats to make a case for Kaido>Akainu. That is a rational take for now anyways, there is a real good possibility that Akainu ends up stronger though. Even 5-year-olds can see how important Akainu is for the story.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kuma has regen lol

Proof?

 

[style]

If you speak of aura as a criteria you might better re-consider all of your scaling, since Mihawk didn't get that much aura at mf, same for Prime Ray in Oden flashback...
Shanks in that scenario would have probably put everyone to kneel with his CoC.

we're not talking about Mihawk, learn to not shift the topic and take things out of context as I never stated that aura is the criteria, that was just a statement at the end of the whole argument.
I have my set of criteria, I don't know how you extracted that I base everything on aura so that I must reconsider all my scaling.

 

[park_min young]

Proof?

We saw his leg and half of his face get burned off. Probably has something to do with his cyborg body.

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It clearly looks like a part of his head and leg got chunked out. There’s no real explanation for what happened later, it could be inconsistency, or either Kuma regenerated or got repaired before landing on EH.

 

[SkySanji]

We saw his leg and half of his face get burned off. Probably has something to do with his cyborg body.

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It clearly looks like a part of his head and leg got chunked out. There’s no real explanation for what happened later, it could be inconsistency, or either Kuma regenerated or got repaired before landing on EH.

Tiny part of his head which is still missing in Egghead

And his foot was never destroyed, Akainu's magma just gave it the equivalent of a warm bath.

 

[MonsterKaido]

We saw his leg and half of his face get burned off. Probably has something to do with his cyborg body.

Spoiler

It clearly looks like a part of his head and leg got chunked out. There’s no real explanation for what happened later, it could be inconsistency, or either Kuma regenerated or got repaired before landing on EH.

They are not getting erased though. Only that they are caught in akainu's magma.

 

[park_min young]

Tiny part of his head which is still missing in Egghead

And his foot was never destroyed, Akainu's magma just gave it the equivalent of a warm bath.

Just use your eyes man, lots of blood and a significant chunk of his head was missing from the initial blow, then it gets smaller and smaller. Even his hat is completely fine during Egghead if you inspect it closely…. only the eye is still damaged.

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The leg looked like it burned off though, I think he got repaired or Oda just changed his mind on what condition should Kuma be in and was hoping that people won’t notice the inconsistency. A lot of people interpret that he lost those parts, not just me.

 

[SkySanji]

Just use your eyes man, lots of blood and a significant chunk of his head was missing from the initial blow, then it gets smaller and smaller. Even his hat is completely fine during Egghead if you inspect it closely…. only the eye is still damaged.

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The leg looked like it burned off though, I think he got repaired or Oda just changed his mind on what condition should Kuma be in and was hoping that people won’t notice the inconsistency. A lot of people interpret that he lost those parts, not just me.

You can't expect Oda to draw things the exact same pixel perfect several chapters apart... so what if it changes slightly.

No it doesn't, it looks like the leg is covered in magma, which it was, nowhere is it shown being "burned off".

 

[park_min young]

You can't expect Oda to draw things the exact same pixel perfect several chapters apart... so what if it changes slightly.

No it doesn't, it looks like the leg is covered in magma, which it was, nowhere is it shown being "burned off".

Super drastic changes? I’d believe you if Oda is confirmed to have Alzheimer’s. You can clearly see the huge chunk missing, it went from that condition to even his hat getting completely dry cleaned during Egghead. And that was the same attack that burned off a significant chunk of WB’s face. Oda was going for the same effect when he drew that.

 

[SkySanji]

Super drastic changes? I’d believe you if Oda is confirmed to have Alzheimer’s. You can clearly see the huge chunk missing, it went from that condition to even his hat getting completely dry cleaned during Egghead. And that was the same attack that burned off a significant chunk of WB’s face. Oda was going for the same effect when he drew that.

It's just a drawing inconsistency, not same magical new limb regeneration ability that has never been implied and never will be.

Kuma, unlike Whitebeard, evaded it partly.

 

[Ven437]

Kaido and/or BM with Awakening would ungodly stomp the entire Wano raid operation. Even Oda has his limits on powercreep

 

[L57]

Kaido and/or BM with Awakening would ungodly stomp the entire Wano raid operation. Even Oda has his limits on powercreep

Buddy think he slick trying to sneak in meme

 

[Jija]

It was directly spelled to you by kaido how you achieved awakening. It when your mind and body becone strong enough. Kaido was awakened, stop with this already how you can think that kaido's zoan would be stronger then luffy's? BM also was awakened just because her awakening was not that flashy or powerful she still achieved full mastery of her fruit. Just like kid awakening is just assign he still was not able to use something like damned punk before fully mastering his fruit. It just paramecia awakening working like that. Oda would not change his own rules just to make it more powerfull. The same goes for WB his awakening allow him to combine gura with his naginata and that's it. It is paramecia so that is all you get.

But in the end the rules are always the same: to be able to use certain things you need firstly to be strong enough to use it. There is no riddle or spell for it or puzzle you need to solve to achive it. The same goes for zoro once he began to use enough power enma stoped complaining. And i think the same goes with black blades. Once you become strong enough your blade would become black.(Also the same thing oda use with sanji: once his toughness was increased(increased speed probably also helped to ignite him if he still need friction) he achived ifrit jambe).