Break Week Torishima's recent criticism about One Piece

#1
In a book that came out in Japan a few weeks ago,named "Botsu" which means "rejected works" in japanese,the former Toriyama's editor and former Shonen Jump director Torishima,talked about the current situation in the shonen manga landscape. He criticizied also other manga like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen,but the criticism he made towards One Piece are these ones:

-The paneling. He says that the way Oda draws panels is too chaotic,its difficult to understand whats happening,and not adapt for kid readers

-He actually said that One Piece is not a manga for kids. And this is positive for me,as i am not a kid,but he meant it as a criticism,as the Shonen Jump target should be kids

-He also talked about the time when he was director of Shonen Jump,in the late 90s,and he was the one who approved the release of One Piece. But he said that before the approval,he rejected the series 4 times. The reasons were: the chaotic paneling,the story was not convincing,and he also found the main character Luffy not charismatic enough

-About Luffy,he says that he is not a main character charismatic like Goku. He said that,during Dragon Ball,he and Toriyama made everything about Goku because he was a character that could carry the series alone,while Luffy is more like an "aggregator" character,but the manga would not work if it was focused mostly on him. I personally disagree with this bigly! But,to support his thesis he talks about the United States,where there is the superhero culture,where Goku is charismatic and seen as a superhero,while Luffy is less popular in the USA,because he is not charismatic enough to be seen as a superhero

-He also criticizes the modern Shonen Jump,and somehow blames the One Piece's success for this,because he says that there should be more competition in the top Shonen Jump manga,because this motivates every mangaka to do their best,and also makes the bosses understand when its time to close a manga. He makes the example of Hokuto No Ken,that at some point was losing its quality as a manga,and only when Dragon Ball became a big hit,Shonen Jump's bosses understood they had to close it. And brings also the example of Dr.Slump,that at some point had the competition of another manga,and this motivated him and Toriyama to give their best. He says that right now,One Piece is the undisputed king of Shonen Jump,and that gives Oda absolute power,and no editor even try to challenge him,and this is damaging not only One Piece as a manga,but Shonen Jump in general


What do you think about these opinions by Torishima? Like i said,there are some things where i disagree bigly! But i think other things he says are actually right! Oda surely needs more challenging editors,but the fact that One Piece is not a manga for kids is actually a good thing,because Shonen Jump nowadays is read also by more older men and even by more female readers,compared to Torishima's days
 
#2
The paneling. He says that the way Oda draws panels is too chaotic,its difficult to understand whats happening,and not adapt for kid readers
Adults here have a problem reading it. Ofc kids would have it worse.


He actually said that One Piece is not a manga for kids. And this is positive for me,as i am not a kid,but he meant it as a criticism,as the Shonen Jump target should be kids
Well if it's under the " Shounen " bracket, main audience should be kids only.


He also talked about the time when he was director of Shonen Jump,in the late 90s,and he was the one who approved the release of One Piece. But he said that before the approval,he rejected the series 4 times. The reasons were: the chaotic paneling,the story was not convincing,and he also found the main character Luffy not charismatic enough

-About Luffy,he says that he is not a main character charismatic like Goku. He said that,during Dragon Ball,he and Toriyama made everything about Goku because he was a character that could carry the series alone,while Luffy is more like an "aggregator" character,but the manga would not work if it was focused mostly on him. I personally disagree with this bigly! But,to support his thesis he talks about the United States,where there is the superhero culture,where Goku is charismatic and seen as a superhero,while Luffy is less popular in the USA,because he is not charismatic enough to be seen as a superhero
Don't forget the legendary line of " He made zoro for manga to be popular.

Also as if goku is a good MC.
 
#10
In a book that came out in Japan a few weeks ago,named "Botsu" which means "rejected works" in japanese,the former Toriyama's editor and former Shonen Jump director Torishima,talked about the current situation in the shonen manga landscape. He criticizied also other manga like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen,but the criticism he made towards One Piece are these ones:

-The paneling. He says that the way Oda draws panels is too chaotic,its difficult to understand whats happening,and not adapt for kid readers

-He actually said that One Piece is not a manga for kids. And this is positive for me,as i am not a kid,but he meant it as a criticism,as the Shonen Jump target should be kids

-He also talked about the time when he was director of Shonen Jump,in the late 90s,and he was the one who approved the release of One Piece. But he said that before the approval,he rejected the series 4 times. The reasons were: the chaotic paneling,the story was not convincing,and he also found the main character Luffy not charismatic enough

-About Luffy,he says that he is not a main character charismatic like Goku. He said that,during Dragon Ball,he and Toriyama made everything about Goku because he was a character that could carry the series alone,while Luffy is more like an "aggregator" character,but the manga would not work if it was focused mostly on him. I personally disagree with this bigly! But,to support his thesis he talks about the United States,where there is the superhero culture,where Goku is charismatic and seen as a superhero,while Luffy is less popular in the USA,because he is not charismatic enough to be seen as a superhero

-He also criticizes the modern Shonen Jump,and somehow blames the One Piece's success for this,because he says that there should be more competition in the top Shonen Jump manga,because this motivates every mangaka to do their best,and also makes the bosses understand when its time to close a manga. He makes the example of Hokuto No Ken,that at some point was losing its quality as a manga,and only when Dragon Ball became a big hit,Shonen Jump's bosses understood they had to close it. And brings also the example of Dr.Slump,that at some point had the competition of another manga,and this motivated him and Toriyama to give their best. He says that right now,One Piece is the undisputed king of Shonen Jump,and that gives Oda absolute power,and no editor even try to challenge him,and this is damaging not only One Piece as a manga,but Shonen Jump in general


What do you think about these opinions by Torishima? Like i said,there are some things where i disagree bigly! But i think other things he says are actually right! Oda surely needs more challenging editors,but the fact that One Piece is not a manga for kids is actually a good thing,because Shonen Jump nowadays is read also by more older men and even by more female readers,compared to Torishima's days
All true.
Even as a ordinary average audience like us can tell what's the problem.
A former director and veteran talking about this just proves the point.

It should be much better if one piece is seinen (but not too hardcore), most of the fans i believe are already 20+ years with how long it has been going.
 
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Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#16
Barely any fights, and when people fight they have 0 gore and are more like brawls.
Themes are friendship and being free, quite simple messages.
Compare to other shonen with much more pronunciated violence
Genocide
Racism
Slavery
Sexual servitude hinted at
Patricide
Brothercide
Corruption
Government cover up
Oppression
Death
Violence
Depression
Attempted suicide
Just about every arc has a fight

Freedom and Friendship maybe the overarching theme but what's happening all around that happy go lucky exterior is a very dark and twisted story
 
#18
Genocide
Racism
Slavery
Sexual servitude hinted at
Patricide
Brothercide
Corruption
Government cover up
Oppression
Death
Violence
Depression
Attempted suicide
Just about every arc has a fight

Freedom and Friendship maybe the overarching theme but what's happening all around that happy go lucky exterior is a very dark and twisted story
You can actually find most of this in a lot of media intended for kids/teens. I'm pretty sure Steven Universe alone ticks the majority of those boxes.

Various animated Transformers media such as G1, Transformers One and Transformers Prime will have a lot of that.

Heck, Kung Fu Panda 2 has genocide as a central plot point of Po's past.
 

Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#20
Because it’s literally marketed to kids? Oda himself says his target audience is young boys lmao
Some pretty adult story lines and plot points for a children's story

Also did oda really say that or did some random say oda say that and everyone just believed it
 
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