Break Week Torishima's recent criticism about One Piece
- Thread starter ShinichiMugi
- Start date
Yes with kids Torishima meant also teen boys. And his criticism was not much about the story but more about the chaotic paneling and the excessive lenght of the story. At some point in the interview he says that his ideal manga should have chapters that have an internal story that can be understood even by new readers,and there should be micro-arcs of 4 chapters max.
But i think he is wrong in this,as modern audiences likes long stories
But i think he is wrong in this,as modern audiences likes long stories
Last edited:
Oda himself talked about the paneling, He said most his time is wasted in trying to fit all his ideas for the chapter in 17 pages & how to squeeze their panels in. It's pretty clear that One Piece is a Manga that requires 30 Pages at least per Chapter,
I don't agree with Rest though,
Competition is not an OP Problem, it's a People's Problem,
As for Luffy, I think Goku became Popular in USA & compared to Superheroes because of their Power Levels,
Not to mention He is Fighting Hollywood-Inspired Villains, so People couldn't Help but start Comparisons with DC & Marvel, that's all,
I don't agree with Rest though,
Competition is not an OP Problem, it's a People's Problem,
As for Luffy, I think Goku became Popular in USA & compared to Superheroes because of their Power Levels,
Not to mention He is Fighting Hollywood-Inspired Villains, so People couldn't Help but start Comparisons with DC & Marvel, that's all,
EXACTLY! Enough with that bullshit that One Piece is made for kids
This lacks a bit of contest. Does he means One Piece was NEVER targeted for kids or now it is not?
Again. Is he talking about how Luffy always was or how he is now? Because At first I'd say Luffy was a hell more charismatic. And about Superman... I'm not expert in HQs but I know they are a mess, there are many stories and I'm pretty sure Superman is not charismatic in a lot of them.
This is weird. What about Demon Slayer and Jujutsu no Kaisen? Aren't those from Shounen Jump too? Didn't they took out One Piece from the top?
He is blaming the change of direction from Shounen Jump to make it One Piece and nowadays manga not kids focused. Not that the audience shifted and then they are making products to their new audience. Because that wouldn't make sense. If Shounen Jump makes content for kids and older audience likes it too, you don't have to make content for older audience because they already like the kid stuff.
This lacks a bit of contest. Does he means One Piece was NEVER targeted for kids or now it is not?
Again. Is he talking about how Luffy always was or how he is now? Because At first I'd say Luffy was a hell more charismatic. And about Superman... I'm not expert in HQs but I know they are a mess, there are many stories and I'm pretty sure Superman is not charismatic in a lot of them.
This is weird. What about Demon Slayer and Jujutsu no Kaisen? Aren't those from Shounen Jump too? Didn't they took out One Piece from the top?
He is blaming the change of direction from Shounen Jump to make it One Piece and nowadays manga not kids focused. Not that the audience shifted and then they are making products to their new audience. Because that wouldn't make sense. If Shounen Jump makes content for kids and older audience likes it too, you don't have to make content for older audience because they already like the kid stuff.
-He says that One Piece is targeted for kids (teenagers) but because of its paneling very chaotic and full of texts its hard for One Piece to attract new teen readers
-About Luffy he says in general he is more an "aggregator" character than a character that works on his own like Goku
(But honestly i dont like the Goku-centrism of Dragon Ball so i prefer the major corality of One Piece,altough sometimes One Piece is very Luffycentric too! But in this period of the story,for example,we are having many chapters without Luffy,and many people are liking them!)
-About Demon Slayer and Jujitsu Kaisen,he is even more severe than One Piece! He basically says that are manga that lack story and are just famous because of the anime adaptations lol by the way those manga ended now (altough JJK started a spinoff) and they are not currently present on Shonen Jump. The intervew is recent i think,this volume where the interview is pubblished came out a couple of months ago in Japan,and i just collected all the infos about it that i found online
Aye and all that started with a character that is a literal shonen.
Like you never wondered why so many Shonen manga protagonists are either flat out teenagers or are accompanied by teenage side characters? Why so many settings involve a character going to an in-universe school as a student?
It's because all this is meant to appeal to the target demographic of young boys and teenagers. Lol.
Like you never wondered why so many Shonen manga protagonists are either flat out teenagers or are accompanied by teenage side characters? Why so many settings involve a character going to an in-universe school as a student?
It's because all this is meant to appeal to the target demographic of young boys and teenagers. Lol.
Well, he's right
But let's be honest, the story of One Piece is covered in a children's story, and unlike other stories that are simply superhero stories, Oda deals with thousands of issues that are much more important than the main character being strong and charismatic
Yes, I agree, the story's focus on Luffy was lacking. We've already seen that Luffy without his crew can have a much more interesting story, like Marineford
Anyway, Oda's goal from the beginning of the story was to deal with the entire crew, otherwise Luffy alone can carry the story, maybe even better
One Piece is a story that ends after Wano unless Oda focuses all his attention on Luffy and makes the story serious
But let's be honest, the story of One Piece is covered in a children's story, and unlike other stories that are simply superhero stories, Oda deals with thousands of issues that are much more important than the main character being strong and charismatic
Yes, I agree, the story's focus on Luffy was lacking. We've already seen that Luffy without his crew can have a much more interesting story, like Marineford
Anyway, Oda's goal from the beginning of the story was to deal with the entire crew, otherwise Luffy alone can carry the story, maybe even better
One Piece is a story that ends after Wano unless Oda focuses all his attention on Luffy and makes the story serious
Most of the points he made have already been discussed among fans
the not discussed aspect is the competition point. One piece is actually directly propped up by Shonen jump to remain number one. Maybe it’s not like out malice, maybe it’s Shonen jumpy that’s just scared to try and bet on other manga in case they end up flopping
many people have made the observation that one piece would get CANCELLED if it was released like five years ago. Like if it was written exactly the same way as it was in 1997 there’s no way it wouldnt have been cancelled. That’s because Shonen jump no longer bets on any other manga to try and climb for years the way it used to.
the not discussed aspect is the competition point. One piece is actually directly propped up by Shonen jump to remain number one. Maybe it’s not like out malice, maybe it’s Shonen jumpy that’s just scared to try and bet on other manga in case they end up flopping
many people have made the observation that one piece would get CANCELLED if it was released like five years ago. Like if it was written exactly the same way as it was in 1997 there’s no way it wouldnt have been cancelled. That’s because Shonen jump no longer bets on any other manga to try and climb for years the way it used to.
Last edited: