[FNZ] Salem of Lies ToS - Christmas Special

[Dragomir]

For what it's worth, I'm on board with this as well.

Any particular reason?

Bringing it up and actually pushing it is 2 different things. I feel like you are missing my points and arguing things you want to argue here. But for today you really aren’t a main target and there a much better options, I shall put this aside until later!

Okay.

 

[RippedCal]

Thread control is probably full wolf rn tbh

 

[Nick]

Thread control is probably full wolf rn tbh

You haven’t sussed me yet, you must be town

 

[Juliet]

@Dragoban Last two tos special games I played you played there too and there were no vampires at all and why did you think there were vampires in this game? AL who also played last 2 tos special games suspected there were vampires and he flipped scum.

 

[Dragomir]

@Dragoban Last two tos special games I played you played there too and there were no vampires at all and why did you think there were vampires in this game? AL who also played last 2 tos special games suspected there were vampires and he flipped scum.

I suspected there were vamps because Al made a post that sounded like vamp tmi. And the other 2 specials have almost no bearing on this game. There not being vamps in them doesn't mean it'll be the same for this.

 

[Dragomir]

No tldr for the Ripped one. Alright. Who are the most dangerous threats I must iso

Iso all the top 10 posters. That'll give you a good base to start with.

 

[Dragomir]

I talked about it a bit. TAC going against his PoV that has Don has confirmed scum since claiming a non-visiting role, isn't a condemnation on him. Think it's just a brainfart and him jobbing lol, because it makes zero sense for an Exe to give his target a night to confirm themselves and at the same time fucking himself up by contradicting his PoV. Same if he's scum and not Exe, why come up with a fake result out of the blue with Don who doesn't seem to be a big threat. 1v1 exchange is dumb

Only way TAC is scum is if Don is scum too, so he snipped a rival faction and wanted to get cred, that's it. So you always solve Don first.

Thanks Zemmi & Flower

That makes sense. However, TAC has ghosted the thread ever since I called him out for his inconsistent POV. If he just brainfarted, I expect him to have cleared it up immediately.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I'm working rn Drago. I am skimming here and there though.

hohoho

 

[Zemmi]

OH NO!!!!

ONE OF THE PARTY GOES IS GOING THROUGH AN IDENITY CRISIS ​

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

just saw this

did u pre write this last night?

Did some ISOs after Al's flip and had the gist of it. Later just finished it up. Thought I'd have more to add, but my action failed.

this doesnt change the priority btw. ali shud still go first. a guilty is absolute unless he claims something we can tangibly confirm, which would mean he was framed/hexed

you should be fine with either lynch anyway if both are scum. take the one with guilty first

if we have another jailor, execute TAC

Yeah I am down for an Ali lynch and removing TAC. Ali's reluctance to claim with a guilty on him is a bad look. But I also want us to resolve TAC, so if there is another jailor, get rid of TAC.

Vote lynch Alibaba

By facilitating what is meant is a moderator vibe and role. It's basically an easy way for people to engage with people and fake contribution.

I see now but I still don't think I've done anything of the sorts. I don't think I've had an easy vibe when I have been one of the bigger pushers on a lynch, made cases on people, and have questioned people. For me an easy vibe would be just chilling and not doing anything remotely close to what I have been.

By bland questioning I mean, questions that aren't really pertinent and that I don't see being used to reach conclusions and progress your reads. Just faking contribution through them.

I also disagree here again lol. I've asked my suspects what they think of others and used to progress my reads. Having a back and forth with Al in which he tried to paint me in a negative light, and seeing people react to it also helped me develop my reads. So did Al's lynch, which is what made me suspect TAC and led to me casing him.

You did those stuff, but I just don't see them reflected into your progressions.

Yes and I did do them and they have reflected into my progression. Like mentioned above, upon Al's flip my suspicion of TAC grew immensely, which has led to me ISOing him and having him as my top scum read coming into the phase. I will also have to look at others who were opposed to an Al wagon and tried similar stuff as TAC did, which will further reflect in my reads.

I mean asking people to explain themselves and claim is just basic stuff, I don't see you using that to solve.

But I have. By asking Tea to claim and pushing that we've got his claim which was corroborated by two other players which has led to suspicion on Rej and me being the first to voice the fact that Rej might be an Exe. It turned out to be wrong now, however, nonetheless, it's definitely an example of me using it to solve the game.

I don't think tagging and trying to get people to vote takes that much of conviction, especially since it was a common consensus lynch at that point, it's a nice action but not worth much especially if you ain't associated.

I think this is the problem in our understanding of each other. I do not view Al as a consensus lynch. By the time I changed my vote to Al

Vote lynch Wakid

he had only 2 votes on him whilst Cinera was the main wagon with 8 votes

OH MY SWEET BABY JESUS, I FINALLY CAUGHT UP.
ALL POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE WORDS HAVE BEEN CLAIMED

VOTE COUNT:
8 - @Cinera
2 - @Enryu
2 - @Wakid
1 - @T-Pein™
1 - @Destroya

It takes 17 to lynch
10 hours remaining

Votes were thrown around later as well. The votes on Al mostly came from me stirring it up and getting people on that wagon. I can't call Al a consensus lynch when he was tied with another person in the VC, 6 votes behind the first wagon, and then more votes were scattered around, on Lind and Mid iirc.

This speaks to the first point about questioning and lack of convictions behind your pushes. The thought process is in the development of reads, and engaging peeps with questioning to figure them out, not just faking contribution. Lack of convictions speaks to "no skin in the game" thingy 'cause like there is an emotional aspect of when you got a read and want someone dead lol.

I've discussed this above. Also I did have an emotional aspect in pushing Al. I wouldn't have tried nearly as hard if I wasn't that stocked and had that belief in my read.

By consensus I meant that a lot of people were suspecting AL as well, and votes were going in that direction after Cinera's claim. It's what prompted Al to claim. It's why I have you as coven's deep wolf lol.

Also talked about this above. This is the biggest bone of contention we have lol.

Latter post refers to the quote to Rej. I think the "you're doing this scummy shit" is just not a town mindset at all, the way you're engaging him feels like you know he likely ain't scum and the point didn't actually ping you which makes the comment all that weirder.

Disagree. I vehemently dislike unnecessary waste of resources. You haven't played TOS in a while. There were games where we couldn't get a lynch going because the people were apathetic, inactive, or just randomly throwing out votes for nothing, which immensely benefited scum. This is why I have engaged Rej in that manner, trying to get him to vote and not waste it while we were scrapping for a lynch.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I mean end of day you were calling myself and drago mafia or coven who found al as arso

nah u guys cant be coven
AL claimed roleblocked twice
thought u might be consort and AL arsonist

i might've been wrong, but both of u flipped scum
so its a win af in my book

 

[Dragomir]

OH NO!!!!

ONE OF THE PARTY GOES IS GOING THROUGH AN IDENITY CRISIS ​

Oh, shit, it's happening.

 

[Nick]

What does that mean

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

OH NO!!!!

ONE OF THE PARTY GOES IS GOING THROUGH AN IDENITY CRISIS ​

This is me btw.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

OH NO!!!!

ONE OF THE PARTY GOES IS GOING THROUGH AN IDENITY CRISIS ​

someone changed roles
luckyyyy

 

[oddoddfruit]

Probs the ressed guy

 

[Dragomir]

Lanji literally made 5 posts last day phase and dipped.

 

[Dragomir]

Talk about posting enough to meet the post requirement and not get mod-blocked.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

SO

I am the one with the identity crisis.

My choices?

• Keep Role
• Join Coven
• Join Mafia
• Become Plague Bearer
• Join town

So I'm gonna join town.

 

[Dragomir]

SO

I am the one with the identity crisis.

My choices?

• Keep Role
• Join Coven
• Join Mafia
• Become Plague Bearer
• Join town

So I'm gonna join town.

Are you trolling or being serious?