Versus Battle Toshiro vs kenpachi

[MonsterKaido]

did toshiro did any mortal or lethal damage to Gerard himself yes or no?

what does Gerard have to do with hitsugaya? Hitsugaya Is not close to Gerard in overall strength. His ice has shown to be ineffective time and time again throughout the entire Quincy war. Hitsugaya ice is not some hax ability no one cannot break with raw strength and strong reiatsu something that Zaraki has displayed time and time again.

kenpachi one shot adult hitsugaya literally and he has actually shown the feats to do so unlike toshiro. Cutting Gerard in half who was a giant by the way. Also another note shikai and bankai are not simply multipliers this isn't dbz.

What? Cutting through gerard's blade >>> cutting gerard himself lol.

Even without his Shikai kenny can cut through pre vollstandig gerard but even with Shikai was only chipping pre vollstandig gerard's blade.

Cutting through post vollstandig's gerard's hax blade(Which adult toshiro achieved) >> Cutting pre vollstandig gerard's blade (Which Shikai kenny failed to do) >> Cutting through pre vollstandig gerard directly (Which kenny can do even without his Shikai and with his eyepatch nerfing him)

As I said there's levels to this.

 

[Killer#777]

Shanks>~zaraki>>>>>>>all bleach character

shanks has no chance against the Bleach verse cosmology.

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What? Cutting through gerard's blade >>> cutting gerard himself lol.

cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself see what I did there lol? Also cutting the shield is more impressive than cutting the sword in half because the shield is made for defense whereas the sword is mainly for offense.

Even without his Shikai kenny can cut through pre vollstandig gerard but even with Shikai was only chipping pre vollstandig gerard's blade.

kenpachi it's not trying to chipped the sword nor cut it that's why he went after Gerard personally.

Cutting through post vollstandig's gerard's hax blade(Which adult toshiro achieved) >> Cutting pre vollstandig gerard's blade

bruh what are you talking about? It's not about cutting the sword it's about it being frozen before he cut it that matter because if he didn't do that the blade would just grow stronger regardless.

As I said there's levels to this.

no there's context to this stop trying to power scale this isn't Dragon Ball. Abilities and matchups are always a factor when fighting certain opponents.

 

[MonsterKaido]

shanks has no chance against the Bleach verse cosmology.

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cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself see what I did there lol? Also cutting the shield is more impressive than cutting the sword in half because the shield is made for defense whereas the sword is mainly for offense.

kenpachi it's not trying to chipped the sword nor cut it that's why he went after Gerard personally.

bruh what are you talking about? It's not about cutting the sword it's about it being frozen before he cut it that matter because if he didn't do that the blade would just grow stronger regardless.

no there's context to this stop trying to power scale this isn't Dragon Ball. Abilities and matchups are always a factor when fighting certain opponents.

"cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself" I am confused about this statement.

Eyepatch base zaraki easily cuts through gerard's arm --

Shikai Zaraki was only chipping pre volstandig gerard's blade --

Whereas adult histugaya cut through post vollstandig powerup gerard --

Post volstandig gerard defeated bankai zaraki pretty fast --

Whereas adult histugaya was keeping up with post powerup volstandig gerard.

Its factual adult hitsugaya >> Shikai kenny. One cut through post powerup gerard's blade where the later only chipped pre powerup gerard's blade. Even bankai kenny was down instantly from post powerup gerard.

 

[Killer#777]

"cutting through Gerard's blade >>> cutting hitsugaya himself" I am confused about this statement.

hitsugaya is not as durable as the sword and shield that Gerard wields. You forget this is a kenpachi vs hitsugaya matchup.

Eyepatch base zaraki easily cuts through gerard's arm

yes exactly and unlike Gerard hitsugaya can't regain new limbs and get stronger because he doesn't have does those abilities. Hitsugaya wouldn't get into is complete bankai state to begin with. Hell hitsugaya wouldn't never try to fight Zaraki quite if it came down to it. Every chipped from the sword does damage to kenpachi that's how the sword functions. Were you not paying attention how the fight went about.

 

[MonsterKaido]

hitsugaya is not as durable as the sword and shield that Gerard wields. You forget this is a kenpachi vs hitsugaya matchup.

yes exactly and unlike Gerard hitsugaya can't regain new limbs and get stronger because he doesn't have does those abilities. Hitsugaya wouldn't get into is complete bankai state to begin with. Hell hitsugaya wouldn't never try to fight Zaraki quite if it came down to it. Every chipped from the sword does damage to kenpachi that's how the sword functions. Were you not paying attention how the fight went about.

Why does hitsugaya needs to do be durable to fight kenny in first place? He can dodge and land attacks on kenny from distance.

Shikai kenny was able to keep pace with pre vollstandig gerard but gerard had the advantage.

Adult hitsugaya was out doing post powerup vollstandig on multiple occasions. All adult hitsugaya has to do is dodge kenny's attacks and flash freeze him and cut kenny in half.

As for bankai kenny same thing applies. You will need to prove kenny can blitz hitsugaya. As it stands adult hitsugaya has better reaction , speed , and AOE.

 

[SkySanji]

• Toshiro wins if they start in their strongest form because his adult form just has much better feats than TYBW Kenpachi
• Kenpachi wins if they start in base because Toshiro will never reach his adult form before dying
• Kenpachi effortlessly stomps if we use his CFYOW version

 

[Killer#777]

Why does hitsugaya needs to do be durable to fight kenny in first place? He can dodge and land attacks on kenny from distance.

he doesn't but he not as experience nor skill enough to face kenpachi in the first place plus his ice is not lethal enough to do considerable damage to enemies. It's all about the mindset when it comes to these characters hitsugaya is known to be very passive went it comes to killing his opponents. Simply landing attacks on kenpachi doesn't amount to anything if they don't do mortal damage.

Shikai kenny was able to keep pace with pre vollstandig gerard but gerard had the advantage.

keep pace? He is simply stronger than Gerard strength wise. Zaraki literally tore the dude arm off with his teeth.

All adult hitsugaya has to do is dodge kenny's attacks and flash freeze him and cut kenny in half.

has hitsugaya cut anyone in half in story while they are in case in half? If toshiro could have easily cut someone in half he would've done so already but he hasn't because that's not his personality. Now kenpachi on the other hand can kill his opponents if they continue to fight. He has kill a lot of people in the past even soul reapers as a kid somewhere around hitsugaya age. He had the upper hand on unohana in the past who was very skilled in her time. If he fought that Zaraki toshiro would a die much faster can you normally would because kenpachi didn't hold back at that time. His ice is weak it's easy to break out of especially with kenpachi strength and reiatsu.

 

[MonsterKaido]

he doesn't but he not as experience nor skill enough to face kenpachi in the first place plus his ice is not lethal enough to do considerable damage to enemies. It's all about the mindset when it comes to these characters hitsugaya is known to be very passive went it comes to killing his opponents. Simply landing attacks on kenpachi doesn't amount to anything if they don't do mortal damage.

keep pace? He is simply stronger than Gerard strength wise. Zaraki literally tore the dude arm off with his teeth.

has hitsugaya cut anyone in half in story while they are in case in half? If toshiro could have easily cut someone in half he would've done so already but he hasn't because that's not his personality. Now kenpachi on the other hand can kill his opponents if they continue to fight. He has kill a lot of people in the past even soul reapers as a kid somewhere around hitsugaya age. He had the upper hand on unohana in the past who was very skilled in her time. If he fought that Zaraki toshiro would a die much faster can you normally would because kenpachi didn't hold back at that time. His ice is weak it's easy to break out of especially with kenpachi strength and reiatsu.

? This is battledome where it's IC (Intent to kill for most part)

Bruh how many times shall I show you the fact that manga established gerard's blade having much higher dura than his body?

If adult toshiro can cut through gerard's blade who has been powered up , why in the world can't he cut through skin lol.

It's literally established that it's much harder to cut or do damage to gerard's blade than his body.