Versus Battle Toshiro vs kenpachi

[Loki D. Terror]

did toshiro did any mortal or lethal damage to Gerard himself yes or no?

what does Gerard have to do with hitsugaya? Hitsugaya Is not close to Gerard in overall strength. His ice has shown to be ineffective time and time again throughout the entire Quincy war. Hitsugaya ice is not some hax ability no one cannot break with raw strength and strong reiatsu something that Zaraki has displayed time and time again.

kenpachi one shot adult hitsugaya literally and he has actually shown the feats to do so unlike toshiro. Cutting Gerard in half who was a giant by the way. Also another note shikai and bankai are not simply multipliers this isn't dbz.

What? Cutting through gerard's blade >>> cutting gerard himself lol.

Even without his Shikai kenny can cut through pre vollstandig gerard but even with Shikai was only chipping pre vollstandig gerard's blade.

Cutting through post vollstandig's gerard's hax blade(Which adult toshiro achieved) >> Cutting pre vollstandig gerard's blade (Which Shikai kenny failed to do) >> Cutting through pre vollstandig gerard directly (Which kenny can do even without his Shikai and with his eyepatch nerfing him)

As I said there's levels to this.

 

[Killer#777]

Shanks>~zaraki>>>>>>>all bleach character

shanks has no chance against the Bleach verse cosmology.
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What? Cutting through gerard's blade >>> cutting gerard himself lol.

cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself see what I did there lol? Also cutting the shield is more impressive than cutting the sword in half because the shield is made for defense whereas the sword is mainly for offense.

Even without his Shikai kenny can cut through pre vollstandig gerard but even with Shikai was only chipping pre vollstandig gerard's blade.

kenpachi it's not trying to chipped the sword nor cut it that's why he went after Gerard personally.

Cutting through post vollstandig's gerard's hax blade(Which adult toshiro achieved) >> Cutting pre vollstandig gerard's blade

bruh what are you talking about? It's not about cutting the sword it's about it being frozen before he cut it that matter because if he didn't do that the blade would just grow stronger regardless.

As I said there's levels to this.

no there's context to this stop trying to power scale this isn't Dragon Ball. Abilities and matchups are always a factor when fighting certain opponents.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

shanks has no chance against the Bleach verse cosmology.
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cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself see what I did there lol? Also cutting the shield is more impressive than cutting the sword in half because the shield is made for defense whereas the sword is mainly for offense.

kenpachi it's not trying to chipped the sword nor cut it that's why he went after Gerard personally.

bruh what are you talking about? It's not about cutting the sword it's about it being frozen before he cut it that matter because if he didn't do that the blade would just grow stronger regardless.

no there's context to this stop trying to power scale this isn't Dragon Ball. Abilities and matchups are always a factor when fighting certain opponents.

"cutting through Gerard's >>> cutting hitsugaya himself" I am confused about this statement.

Eyepatch base zaraki easily cuts through gerard's arm --

Shikai Zaraki was only chipping pre volstandig gerard's blade --

Whereas adult histugaya cut through post vollstandig powerup gerard --

Post volstandig gerard defeated bankai zaraki pretty fast --

Whereas adult histugaya was keeping up with post powerup volstandig gerard.

Its factual adult hitsugaya >> Shikai kenny. One cut through post powerup gerard's blade where the later only chipped pre powerup gerard's blade. Even bankai kenny was down instantly from post powerup gerard.

 

[Killer#777]

"cutting through Gerard's blade >>> cutting hitsugaya himself" I am confused about this statement.

hitsugaya is not as durable as the sword and shield that Gerard wields. You forget this is a kenpachi vs hitsugaya matchup.

Eyepatch base zaraki easily cuts through gerard's arm

yes exactly and unlike Gerard hitsugaya can't regain new limbs and get stronger because he doesn't have does those abilities. Hitsugaya wouldn't get into is complete bankai state to begin with. Hell hitsugaya wouldn't never try to fight Zaraki quite if it came down to it. Every chipped from the sword does damage to kenpachi that's how the sword functions. Were you not paying attention how the fight went about.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

hitsugaya is not as durable as the sword and shield that Gerard wields. You forget this is a kenpachi vs hitsugaya matchup.

yes exactly and unlike Gerard hitsugaya can't regain new limbs and get stronger because he doesn't have does those abilities. Hitsugaya wouldn't get into is complete bankai state to begin with. Hell hitsugaya wouldn't never try to fight Zaraki quite if it came down to it. Every chipped from the sword does damage to kenpachi that's how the sword functions. Were you not paying attention how the fight went about.

Why does hitsugaya needs to do be durable to fight kenny in first place? He can dodge and land attacks on kenny from distance.

Shikai kenny was able to keep pace with pre vollstandig gerard but gerard had the advantage.

Adult hitsugaya was out doing post powerup vollstandig on multiple occasions. All adult hitsugaya has to do is dodge kenny's attacks and flash freeze him and cut kenny in half.

As for bankai kenny same thing applies. You will need to prove kenny can blitz hitsugaya. As it stands adult hitsugaya has better reaction , speed , and AOE.

 

[SkySanji]

• Toshiro wins if they start in their strongest form because his adult form just has much better feats than TYBW Kenpachi
• Kenpachi wins if they start in base because Toshiro will never reach his adult form before dying
• Kenpachi effortlessly stomps if we use his CFYOW version

 

[Killer#777]

Why does hitsugaya needs to do be durable to fight kenny in first place? He can dodge and land attacks on kenny from distance.

he doesn't but he not as experience nor skill enough to face kenpachi in the first place plus his ice is not lethal enough to do considerable damage to enemies. It's all about the mindset when it comes to these characters hitsugaya is known to be very passive went it comes to killing his opponents. Simply landing attacks on kenpachi doesn't amount to anything if they don't do mortal damage.

Shikai kenny was able to keep pace with pre vollstandig gerard but gerard had the advantage.

keep pace? He is simply stronger than Gerard strength wise. Zaraki literally tore the dude arm off with his teeth.

All adult hitsugaya has to do is dodge kenny's attacks and flash freeze him and cut kenny in half.

has hitsugaya cut anyone in half in story while they are in case in half? If toshiro could have easily cut someone in half he would've done so already but he hasn't because that's not his personality. Now kenpachi on the other hand can kill his opponents if they continue to fight. He has kill a lot of people in the past even soul reapers as a kid somewhere around hitsugaya age. He had the upper hand on unohana in the past who was very skilled in her time. If he fought that Zaraki toshiro would a die much faster can you normally would because kenpachi didn't hold back at that time. His ice is weak it's easy to break out of especially with kenpachi strength and reiatsu.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

he doesn't but he not as experience nor skill enough to face kenpachi in the first place plus his ice is not lethal enough to do considerable damage to enemies. It's all about the mindset when it comes to these characters hitsugaya is known to be very passive went it comes to killing his opponents. Simply landing attacks on kenpachi doesn't amount to anything if they don't do mortal damage.

keep pace? He is simply stronger than Gerard strength wise. Zaraki literally tore the dude arm off with his teeth.

has hitsugaya cut anyone in half in story while they are in case in half? If toshiro could have easily cut someone in half he would've done so already but he hasn't because that's not his personality. Now kenpachi on the other hand can kill his opponents if they continue to fight. He has kill a lot of people in the past even soul reapers as a kid somewhere around hitsugaya age. He had the upper hand on unohana in the past who was very skilled in her time. If he fought that Zaraki toshiro would a die much faster can you normally would because kenpachi didn't hold back at that time. His ice is weak it's easy to break out of especially with kenpachi strength and reiatsu.

? This is battledome where it's IC (Intent to kill for most part)

Bruh how many times shall I show you the fact that manga established gerard's blade having much higher dura than his body?

If adult toshiro can cut through gerard's blade who has been powered up , why in the world can't he cut through skin lol.

It's literally established that it's much harder to cut or do damage to gerard's blade than his body.

 

[Killer#777]

Bruh how many times shall I show you the fact that manga established gerard's blade having much higher dura than his body?

and how many times do I have to tell you that has nothing to do with hitsugaya. Cutting the blade is not the problem that was giving kenpachi problems.

If adult toshiro can cut through gerard's blade who has been powered up , why in the world can't he cut through skin lol.

kenpachi can cut the blade it's the abilities that the blade has that was giving Zaraki trouble. Just blocking the blade in his shikai while it's being chipped cause damage to kenpachi in return you didn't read the fight did you?

It's literally established that it's much harder to cut or do damage to gerard's blade than his body.

kenpachi already shown to cut through space you honestly think he can't cut through his sword lol? Notice how toshiro it's not receiving damage when you cut through the blade it's because it's been frozen before he cut it stopped it from sword abilities from working.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

and how many times do I have to tell you that has nothing to do with hitsugaya. Cutting the blade is not the problem that was giving kenpachi problems.


kenpachi can cut the blade it's the abilities that the blade has that was giving Zaraki trouble. Just blocking the blade in his shikai while it's being chipped cause damage to kenpachi in return you didn't read the fight did you?

kenpachi already shown to cut through space you honestly think he can't cut through his sword lol? Notice how toshiro it's not receiving damage when you cut through the blade it's because it's been frozen before he cut it stopped it from sword abilities from working.

Why it has nothing to do with hitsugaya? Hitsugaya can cut something which shikai kenny can't that too against a weaker version of the character.

So? It simply means shikai kenny's riatsu is not strong enough to cut through the blade. Adult hitsugaya's attacks completely negates any abilities. Shikai kenny will get cut like a butter.

?? Cutting space doesn't mean he can cut anything in bleach lol. You are salty because kenny failed to do anything to pre powerup gerard's blade where as adult hitsugaya casually negged it from a stronger version of the same character.

Again adult toshiro flash freezes and cuts kenny in half.

 

[Killer#777]

Why it has nothing to do with hitsugaya? Hitsugaya can cut something which shikai kenny can't that too against a weaker version of the character.

you didn't understand the fight did you lol? Cutting the sword in half is not what kenpachi is trying to do if he had done that he would have got damaged as well severely in the process.

So? It simply means shikai kenny's riatsu is not strong enough to cut through the blade.

what are you talking about Zaraki chipped his sword just blocking it and got damage anyway.
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?? Cutting space doesn't mean he can cut anything in bleach lol

it means a lot actually.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

you didn't understand the fight did you lol? Cutting the sword in half is not what kenpachi is trying to do if he had done that he would have got damaged as well severely in the process.

what are you talking about Zaraki chipped his sword just blocking it and got damage anyway.
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it means a lot actually.

Thats not the point. Kenny initially did try to break gerard's blade and only managed to chip it. Only after that he learns he will take damage if he attacks the blade. The points remains kenny fail to cut gerard's sword lmfao.

Yeah it means nothing as cutting space doesn't mean no one can block his attacks lol.

 

[Killer#777]

Kenny initially did try to break gerard's blade

he didn't to it anything Gerard attack kenpachi block it then push it back leaving a chip on Gerard sword in which return cut kenpachi. That's the point of hoffnug ability.

Only after that he learns he will take damage if he attacks the blade. The points remains kenny fail to cut gerard's sword lmfao.

no the point is he's not trying to cut the sword or chip it for that matter doing that which is cause Zaraki damage to himself. This should be so hard to comprehend he actually read the story.

Yeah it means nothing as cutting space doesn't mean no one can block his attacks lol.

that's the thing no one can block his attacks which is why he cut his shield in half alongside Gerard. The shield is more durable than the sword.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

he didn't to it anything Gerard attack kenpachi block it then push it back leaving a chip on Gerard sword in which return cut kenpachi. That's the point of hoffnug ability.

no the point is he's not trying to cut the sword or chip it for that matter doing that which is cause Zaraki damage to himself. This should be so hard to comprehend he actually read the story.

that's the thing no one can block his attacks which is why he cut his shield in half alongside Gerard. The shield is more durable than the sword.

Bro at this point you are literally going against manga feats. Kenny only came to know about the blade hax after he tries to break it. Had he known from the start about hax , he would never have a sword clash in first place.

 

[Killer#777]

Kenny only came to know about the blade hax after he tries to break it

Yeah go back and read the story Gerard already explained hoffnug abilities when kenpachi chip it the first time. Kenpachi even figure he should just kill Gerard himself without breaking the sword. So no kenpachi was not trying to cut the hoffnug.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Yeah go back and read the story Gerard already explained hoffnug abilities when kenpachi chip it the first time. Kenpachi even figure he should just kill Gerard himself without breaking the sword. So no kenpachi was not trying to cut the hoffnug.

Don't insult your intelligence.

This panel happens after Kenny clashes with gerard and chips the blade in chapter 667. The panel you posted is from 668.

So my point remains that kenny was not holding back when he clashed with gerard and only managed to chip his blade that too against weaker version in chapter 667. ONLY AFTER TAKING DAMAGE DOES HE DECIDES THE ABOVE IN CHAPTER 668.

 

[Killer#777]

This panel happens after Kenny clashes with gerard and chips the blade in chapter 667. The panel you posted is from 668.

my God are you slow in chapter 667 Gerard attack kenpachi in which kenpachi blocked it with his blade then push gerard back chipping his Gerard sword in the process that was it. Afterwards kenpachi went after Gerard himself and was using less strength then he normally would just so he would not chipped hoffnug which is shown on this panel.

Maybe stick to reading the actual story more than power scaling because clearly you're not good at either of them.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

my God are you slow in chapter 667 Gerard attack kenpachi in which kenpachi blocked it with his blade then push gerard back chipping his Gerard sword in the process that was it. Afterwards kenpachi went after Gerard himself and was using less strength then he normally would just so he would not chipped hoffnug which is shown on this panel.

Maybe stick to reading the actual story more than power scaling because clearly you're not good at either of them.

Are you brain dead? Why are you posting panel from chapter 668? when kenny first clashed with gerard in chapter 667????

 

[Killer#777]

Are you brain dead? Why are you posting panel from chapter 668? when kenny first clashed with gerard in chapter 667????

he didn't try to break the sword all he did blocked and repealed the first sword strike which lead him to get slashed across the stomach in the first place and that was at the end of chapter 667. Kenpachi is not stupid in terms of battle.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

he didn't try to break the sword all he did blocked and repealed the first sword strike which lead him to get slashed across the stomach in the first place and that was at the end of chapter 667. Kenpachi is not stupid in terms of battle.

?? He didn't knew about gerard's hax blade in 667. Only after landing a powerful slash attack on gerard does he get to learn it.

So my point stands than kenny was not hoding in 667 when he attack gerard with his shikai which gerard blocked using his sword. There is no reason for kenny to hold his powers as he didn't knew about the hax and only comes to know about it after the fact.