Powers & Abilities Unique property of solid Logias

[Dragountless]

I recently re-read Marineford and noticed that it's rather strange that Akainu was able to survive such blows from Whitebeard. Sakazuki has human durability, and Whitebeard's punches have the ability to break through his defence and logia intangibility (vibrations+haki), even a mutant like Kaido would be badly damaged after such a strike (wtf Akainu has plot armor?!)

Spoiler: Whitebeard's city lvl punches

But then I remembered how Aramaki tanked the ACOC blow from Yamato without much damage and it dawned on me that body and iternal organs of hard Logias users received durable properties of this element (Like Luffy's rubber). Not for nothing, the author constantly repeats in the description and dialogues - "Magma Human", "Forest Human" etc. Since they are the personification of their element, their inner body accordingly acquires the same properties. Therefore, Whitebeard's blows did not kill Akainu, he is a hybrid Logia - liquid+solid state, even tho Whitebeard's punches passed through all of the Akainu's defenses, they still didn't deal more damage since Sakazuki's internal organs also got magma hardness. Try to hit a piece of thick clay, it will not break or be destroyed, it will just change shape. And now you can remember how much Smoker got from Vergo's blunt punches. Solid and liquid Logias > gas Logias in terms of durability of its users. This may seem obvious, but I have repeatedly seen statements that Logias are garbage fruits bcs armament haki exist

Spoiler: Yamato's ACOC strike

In short, the Haki does not cancel the Logia user's body properties, it just allows them to be hit. So the Logias are not that useless as powerscalers and Zoan fans like to say.

 

[Blazing Lion]

I recently re-read Marineford and noticed that it's rather strange that Akainu was able to survive such blows from Whitebeard. Sakazuki has human durability, and Whitebeard's punches have the ability to break through his defence and logia intangibility (vibrations+haki), even a mutant like Kaido would be badly damaged after such a strike (wtf Akainu has plot armor?!)

Spoiler: Whitebeard's city lvl punches

But then I remembered how Aramaki tanked the ACOC blow from Yamato without much damage and it dawned on me that body and iternal organs of hard Logias users received durable properties of this element (Like Luffy's rubber). Not for nothing, the author constantly repeats in the description and dialogues - "Magma Human", "Forest Human" etc. Since they are the personification of their element, their inner body accordingly acquires the same properties. Therefore, Whitebeard's blows did not kill Akainu, he is a hybrid Logia - liquid+solid state, even tho Whitebeard's punches passed through all of the Akainu's defenses, they still didn't deal more damage since Sakazuki's internal organs also got magma hardness. Try to hit a piece of thick clay, it will not break or be destroyed, it will just change shape. And now you can remember how much Smoker got from Vergo's blunt punches. Solid and liquid Logias > gas Logias in terms of durability of its users. This may seem obvious, but I have repeatedly seen statements that Logias are garbage fruits bcs armament haki exist

Spoiler: Yamato's ACOC strike

In short, the Haki does not cancel the Logia user's body properties, it just allows them to be hit. So the Logias are not that useless as powerscalers and Zoan fans like to say.

Exactly, even when hit with haki, you would think that the real body is getting damaged but it doesn't. Look at Marco and Vistas attack on Akainu, Akainu felt pain and realized they were using haki but even then he could still reform completely.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah that’s the case for all logias, haki has never “deactivated” their power, it’s only ever just allowed it to be touched.

Even a logia completely cut in half will reform their body.

 

[Moegara]

Logias are my favorite fruits, so don't take this as downplaying, but I disagree with these concepts.

There's a reason why marines who know about haki thought Aokiji was dead when Whitebeard stabbed him with haki, because injuring with haki are real injuries. The most likely explanation es Aokiji dodged using the method we later learnt from Katakuri. They are top tier logia users after all, not just Caribous.

Akainu tanked those because he's that strong.

 

[Salah WG]

This is why i hate when People think Haki will allow Crocodile & Enel to be Defeated like Luffy did
Haki doesn't disable Logia, it simply allows them to deal Damage

Crocodile & Enel on other Hand had their Logia disabled, due to Water & Rubber respectively
So like They basically lost against someone using Kairoseki, which is Huge Nerf

 

[Moegara]

This is why i hate when People think Haki will allow Crocodile & Enel to be Defeated like Luffy did
Haki doesn't disable Logia, it simply allows them to deal Damage

Crocodile & Enel on other Hand had their Logia disabled, due to Water & Rubber respectively
So like They basically lost against someone using Kairoseki, which is Huge Nerf

That I agree with, particularly Enel. Luffy was straight invulnerable to his element. Someone with haki could punch Enel but would get electrocuted on the act.

 

[Dragountless]

Logias are my favorite fruits, so don't take this as downplaying, but I disagree with these concepts.

There's a reason why marines who know about haki thought Aokiji was dead when Whitebeard stabbed him with haki, because injuring with haki are real injuries. The most likely explanation es Aokiji dodged using the method we later learnt from Katakuri. They are top tier logia users after all, not just Caribous.

Akainu tanked those because he's that strong.

Of course, Aokji would have been very badly injured by Whitebeard's halberd if he hadn't reacted, but still, since he is an "Ice man", he would have taken less damage and survived. Btw Aramaki is considered the weakest admiral, but he was not badly injured from the ACOC attack, although it should have torn his internal organs. Crocodile also tanked terrifying blows from Luffy when his sand became wet, which means more resistant to blows, although croc didn’t look like a mutant with insane strength, and he didn’t have haki, without fruit he is normal durability human, those punches by Luffy would have destroyed an ordinary person into a mess.

 

[Herrera95]

Nope. You are just forgetting that humans are endurance monsters as well. Big Mom is still human after all.

There is no such thing as hard logia special property. Oda would have explained already by now.

 

[Kiiro]

Well, this is kinda funny and you can find arguments for many cases.

For example, Luffy has the properties of rubber. But why would Doffy mention that Luffy combines them, his haki with his DF?

As if it was impossible. Then when they hit Luffy, lt logias, it is said that you hit their real body, not the DF.

If Akainu could reinforce his organs with magma, wouldn't they burn him? Lol.

 

[SakazOuki]

I recently re-read Marineford and noticed that it's rather strange that Akainu was able to survive such blows from Whitebeard. Sakazuki has human durability, and Whitebeard's punches have the ability to break through his defence and logia intangibility (vibrations+haki), even a mutant like Kaido would be badly damaged after such a strike (wtf Akainu has plot armor?!)

Spoiler: Whitebeard's city lvl punches

But then I remembered how Aramaki tanked the ACOC blow from Yamato without much damage and it dawned on me that body and iternal organs of hard Logias users received durable properties of this element (Like Luffy's rubber). Not for nothing, the author constantly repeats in the description and dialogues - "Magma Human", "Forest Human" etc. Since they are the personification of their element, their inner body accordingly acquires the same properties. Therefore, Whitebeard's blows did not kill Akainu, he is a hybrid Logia - liquid+solid state, even tho Whitebeard's punches passed through all of the Akainu's defenses, they still didn't deal more damage since Sakazuki's internal organs also got magma hardness. Try to hit a piece of thick clay, it will not break or be destroyed, it will just change shape. And now you can remember how much Smoker got from Vergo's blunt punches. Solid and liquid Logias > gas Logias in terms of durability of its users. This may seem obvious, but I have repeatedly seen statements that Logias are garbage fruits bcs armament haki exist

Spoiler: Yamato's ACOC strike

In short, the Haki does not cancel the Logia user's body properties, it just allows them to be hit. So the Logias are not that useless as powerscalers and Zoan fans like to say.

It depends on the user's haki
Simply compare Jozu's tackle against Crocodile and Aokiji

Aokiji gets a small lip bleed -props to Jozu for being the only commander to draw blood from an Admiral so far-

Meanwhile Crocodile is bleeding like a pig even when he had more time to defend himself compared to Kuzan

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It depends on the user's haki
Simply compare Jozu's tackle against Crocodile and Aokiji

Aokiji gets a small lip bleed -props to Jozu for being the only commander to draw blood from an Admiral so far-

Meanwhile Crocodile is bleeding like a pig even when he had more time to defend himself compared to Kuzan

Difference between Jozus name attack and his punch also

 

[SakazOuki]

Difference between Jozus name attack and his punch also

That's pretty braindead, not every attack has to be named especially in an active arc like Marineford
You're telling me the nameless attack Akainu to clash with Whitebeard was weaker than the hellhound he threw his way
Or that Jozu for absolutely no fuckin reason would use less force against an Admiral to save his father than what he used against a casual warlord like Crocodile

I know you like Crocodile but this is not it

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That's pretty braindead, not every attack has to be named especially in an active arc like Marineford
You're telling me the nameless attack Akainu to clash with Whitebeard was weaker than the hellhound he threw his way
Or that Jozu for absolutely no fuckin reason would use less force against an Admiral to save his father than what he used against a casual warlord like Crocodile

I know you like Crocodile but this is not it

You seriously think Jozus normal punch is stronger than brilliant punk?

 

[SakazOuki]

You seriously think Jozus normal punch is stronger than brilliant punk?

Literally the same attack, Oda doesn't bother to name everything each time
If anything you can argue Jozu used his full power because it was an Admiral who had his captain by the balls

Spoiler

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Literally the same attack, Oda doesn't bother to name everything each time
If anything you can argue Jozu used his full power because it was an Admiral who had his captain by the balls

Spoiler

It’s completely different. Jozu punches kuzan, meanwhile he full rushed Crocodile using the full weight of his body and inertia from the speed to do so.

You shouldn’t compare the two…

 

[Kiiro]

Literally the same attack, Oda doesn't bother to name everything each time
If anything you can argue Jozu used his full power because it was an Admiral who had his captain by the balls

Spoiler

He is a Crocofanwankboy. Dont worry.

He needs to believe that Crocodile took an attack 10 times stronger to justify the blood if Crocodile.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He is a Crocofanwankboy. Dont worry.

He needs to believe that Crocodile took an attack 10 times stronger to justify the blood if Crocodile.

Isnt ten times stronger, but you can’t seriously tell me you think those attacks are equivalent.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

If this was the case, why would Ace die for an hit to the stomach, he could just reform after?

 

[Dragountless]

If this was the case, why would Ace die for an hit to the stomach, he could just reform after?

Fire logia is gas/plasma state logia, magma is solid-liquid hybrid and hotter than fire (only in one piece world lol, btw it was confirmed in sbs that magma logia is superior to fire) = magma overpowering fire user defence, gas state logia users is not durability monsters - confirmed by smoker and ceaser.

If Akainu could reinforce his organs with magma, wouldn't they burn him? Lol.

Bcs he is embodiment of magma element - "Magma Man"

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Fire logia is gas/plasma state logia, magma is solid-liquid hybrid and hotter than fire (only in one piece world lol, btw it was confirmed in sbs that magma logia is superior to fire) = magma overpowering fire user defence, gas state logia users is not durability monsters - confirmed by smoker and ceaser.

Yeah, I understand your point, but given the fact that their body should have no organs according to your theory, why would a punch through your stomach me enough to kill you?