Future Events Uranus is in Lili's box
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Nine SHs (Beside Luffy) can be grouped based on their Origin,
Isolated Trio = Those who were asked to Join from their Home Island, where They lived Isolated from others (Usopp, Chopper, Jinbe)
Lost Trio = Those whose Homes are still out there, but They cannot go back for different reasons (Zoro, Sanji, Franky)
Homeless Trio = Those whose Homes were Destroyed (Nami, Robin & Brook)
Oda used this with Moon People among many other examples,
As Skypieans lived in Skypiea, Shandians were forced out of their Homes, while Birkans Home was Destroyed by Enel.
I want you to always pay attention to this pattern of Isolated + Lost + Homeless throughout entire Story.
Now for Ancient Weapons, I discovered after much deeper analysis of this Pattern that last one (To be recruited) of each Trio represents a Mini-Version of what those Weapons are. In other words, Ancient Weapons are based on Jinbe, Franky & Brook.
Jinbe have Unique Ability of communicating & summoning/controlling Whale Sharks, no other Fishman have such Ability,
Poseidon is basically World Ending Version of this. I also don't need to explain how Pluton is basically a World Ending Version of Battle Frankies.
This leaves us with Brook, and Uranus gonna be a World Ending Version of Brook's Unique Ability.
It's not being Alive, it's not being a talking Skeleton, it's not Soul Manipulation, it's not Hypnosis or his Swordsmanship/Music, Brook's Unique Ability is the Fact that He has only DF that is able to enter Afterlife, every single DF leaves it's User once They die, meaning No DF can access Afterlife, except Brook's!
And such Journey, allowed his Soul to connect to Afterlife & for example summon it's Chill,
Uranus is basically Brook's Ability but on Steroids, a Weapon that connects to Real Heaven/Hell, allowing you to bring out World Ending Calamities from there, it's like imagine having the power to turn entire World into an Impel Down Level or a Skypiea Trial, that's what it can potentially do.
And all Ancient Weapons together complete each other,
It's no different than what most Villains we've seen before want, They wanted to turn a Place into their HQ (Uranus can do that), They wanted to have an Army & Great Military Power (Poseidon can do that), They wanted to nuke whatever/whoever stands in their way (Pluton can do that).
Based on all of this, imo Uranus cannot be a Weapon hidden in a Box (Possibility is still there though ofc), it's probably a Person or a Soul or Unique Being similar to Brook.
Isolated Trio = Those who were asked to Join from their Home Island, where They lived Isolated from others (Usopp, Chopper, Jinbe)
Lost Trio = Those whose Homes are still out there, but They cannot go back for different reasons (Zoro, Sanji, Franky)
Homeless Trio = Those whose Homes were Destroyed (Nami, Robin & Brook)
Oda used this with Moon People among many other examples,
As Skypieans lived in Skypiea, Shandians were forced out of their Homes, while Birkans Home was Destroyed by Enel.
I want you to always pay attention to this pattern of Isolated + Lost + Homeless throughout entire Story.
Now for Ancient Weapons, I discovered after much deeper analysis of this Pattern that last one (To be recruited) of each Trio represents a Mini-Version of what those Weapons are. In other words, Ancient Weapons are based on Jinbe, Franky & Brook.
Jinbe have Unique Ability of communicating & summoning/controlling Whale Sharks, no other Fishman have such Ability,
Poseidon is basically World Ending Version of this. I also don't need to explain how Pluton is basically a World Ending Version of Battle Frankies.
This leaves us with Brook, and Uranus gonna be a World Ending Version of Brook's Unique Ability.
It's not being Alive, it's not being a talking Skeleton, it's not Soul Manipulation, it's not Hypnosis or his Swordsmanship/Music, Brook's Unique Ability is the Fact that He has only DF that is able to enter Afterlife, every single DF leaves it's User once They die, meaning No DF can access Afterlife, except Brook's!
And such Journey, allowed his Soul to connect to Afterlife & for example summon it's Chill,
Uranus is basically Brook's Ability but on Steroids, a Weapon that connects to Real Heaven/Hell, allowing you to bring out World Ending Calamities from there, it's like imagine having the power to turn entire World into an Impel Down Level or a Skypiea Trial, that's what it can potentially do.
And all Ancient Weapons together complete each other,
It's no different than what most Villains we've seen before want, They wanted to turn a Place into their HQ (Uranus can do that), They wanted to have an Army & Great Military Power (Poseidon can do that), They wanted to nuke whatever/whoever stands in their way (Pluton can do that).
Based on all of this, imo Uranus cannot be a Weapon hidden in a Box (Possibility is still there though ofc), it's probably a Person or a Soul or Unique Being similar to Brook.
Thanks, I try to be as consistent as possible, and aim for coherency & analyzing patterns that anyone can use as materials for their Theories, regardless of whether I'm right or wrong.
When it comes to future events, I try to think of them as a card or board game, meaning Oda decides which decks/pieces He is gonna use in that particular arc or story segment & then he plays them however he enjoys. I found that it's much easier to try & predict his deck, rather than how he will play his cards,
It's really hard to predict Oda's scenarios imo, but I believe analyzing patterns can at least help us predict connections between things before they are revealed.
When it comes to future events, I try to think of them as a card or board game, meaning Oda decides which decks/pieces He is gonna use in that particular arc or story segment & then he plays them however he enjoys. I found that it's much easier to try & predict his deck, rather than how he will play his cards,
It's really hard to predict Oda's scenarios imo, but I believe analyzing patterns can at least help us predict connections between things before they are revealed.
I agree on this thought process.
Let me question you on another Trio pattern (@Urouge sorry if it's off topic).
Seems to me that Oda uses common patterns for the Top 3 "Commanders" of every estabilished Pirate organization (aka Emperors), something he doesn't do for World Govt, Revo Army & Marines for example.
The only Emperor crew that still doesn't fit this theme is Cross Guild. Imo we have Mihawk as a perfect 1st and Crocodile as a perfect 3rd, but we miss the 2nd... which I think will be Doflamingo, who fits perfectly in there.
What's your opinion on this?
And connecting back to the thread, it could also be that the Ancient Weapons fit this pattern similarly with:
Let me question you on another Trio pattern (@Urouge sorry if it's off topic).
Seems to me that Oda uses common patterns for the Top 3 "Commanders" of every estabilished Pirate organization (aka Emperors), something he doesn't do for World Govt, Revo Army & Marines for example.
- The 1st (Zoro, Alber, Marco, Katakuri) is the Stoic Efficient. A lethal and controlled character, often depicted with a visually sleek/cool aesthetic.
- The 2nd (Sanji, Queen, Ace, Smoothie) is the Flamboyant Wildcard. A flashier character, often more theatrical than the others and sometimes more defined in terms of character and gags.
- The 3rd (Jinbei, Jack, Jozu, Cracker) is the Pragmatic Enforcer. They are no-nonsense, usually look more grounded and utilitarian, with less focus on flair or edginess.
The only Emperor crew that still doesn't fit this theme is Cross Guild. Imo we have Mihawk as a perfect 1st and Crocodile as a perfect 3rd, but we miss the 2nd... which I think will be Doflamingo, who fits perfectly in there.
What's your opinion on this?
And connecting back to the thread, it could also be that the Ancient Weapons fit this pattern similarly with:
- Uranus as the 1st
- Poseidon as the 2nd
- Pluton as the 3rd
I believe that the UFO that destroyed Lulusia was an Ark Maxim. Very similar destruction to what Enel did in Skypiea.
Imu can't use his Ark Maxim because it requires a great amount of power, which, normally, is the Mother Flame. HOWEVER, Enel is a human battery, and could power an Ark easily by himself.
I think we've seen Uranus, here:
Uranus is a spaceship that produces spaceships. Look at the scale of Bege's ship compared to what it crashes into.
Thing thing is FUCKING ISLAND SIZED, and it CLEARLY old as hell.
My theory is that Shiki stole Uranus from Heaven World in Elbaph, and doesn't have the ability to power it, BUT he can make it float using his Fruit.
Shiki conscripted Bege into his crew and ordered him to kill Big Mom to clear out the New World for Shiki's 20 year plan.
We know Shiki wanted an Ancient Weapon from Chapter Strong World, and the Flying Pirate gaining the Ancient Weapon named after a Sky God fits, IMO.
Imu can't use his Ark Maxim because it requires a great amount of power, which, normally, is the Mother Flame. HOWEVER, Enel is a human battery, and could power an Ark easily by himself.
I think we've seen Uranus, here:
Uranus is a spaceship that produces spaceships. Look at the scale of Bege's ship compared to what it crashes into.
Thing thing is FUCKING ISLAND SIZED, and it CLEARLY old as hell.
My theory is that Shiki stole Uranus from Heaven World in Elbaph, and doesn't have the ability to power it, BUT he can make it float using his Fruit.
Shiki conscripted Bege into his crew and ordered him to kill Big Mom to clear out the New World for Shiki's 20 year plan.
We know Shiki wanted an Ancient Weapon from Chapter Strong World, and the Flying Pirate gaining the Ancient Weapon named after a Sky God fits, IMO.
I don't think all Emperors are built the same, and that's because of how Oda wanna differentiate between Generations,
Notice how Marco, Alber & Katakuri are YC1 who joined their Captains from very young age, they are basically their children,
WB Pirates, BM Pirates & Beasts Pirates don't look up to their Captains just for their Power/Authority but also their Seniority in this lifestyle,
All Three of them played this game before with other Co-Crew Members & also other Subordinates such as Streusen & Marco's Father, so their Yonko Crews are more like Retirement Plan, not their actual Crew They journeyed with similar to Roger, Shanks & Luffy ... etc
WB's Trio were Marco, Jozu & Vista,
Kaidou's Trio were King, Queen & Jack,
BM's Trio were Katakuri, Smoothie & Cracker,
Ace wasn't WB's YC2, He was his Yamato,
And for Big Mom, her Ace/Yamato should be another Female, someone with Insane Potential, and imo that's Pudding (Her Third Eye might make her Stronger than people expect, I mean look at what Oda gave Bonney & Koby & Momo, so People shouldn't sleep on Pudding),
Now if you go to Current Emperors (Mainly Shanks, Blackbeard & Luffy), you notice that their Crews feels like an Alliance, rather than an Organization, Blackbeard Pirates literally presented themselves like that to Kuzan, saying that They are just together because of their common benefits, the same applies to SHs really, it's just that as MCs, They are very loyal & have strong friendship, but ultimately They are Ten Criminals with Impossible Dreams who decided to team-up, Luffy is actually least experienced of them (Beside Chopper) when Story Started, and Shanks Crew seems to be very similar tbh.
Now for Cross Guild, They are more similar to Current Yonko than Previous Ones, but as you pointed out, it's not really clear how They rank?
That's simply because we haven't yet met actual Captain of Cross Guild, nor have we met who is Dragon gonna serve,
Cross Guild & Revos Army are reserved last, because Oda is still hiding two major characters still not introduced,
Revos Army is like watching Shandians but without knowing who their Gan Fall gonna be,
Cross Guild is same thing but for Pirates/Villain Faction instead of Rebels,
As for Ancient Weapons, I don't think they fit this pattern, because I don't believe They were created by a Villain,
I believe Ancient Weapons were created by those who opposed him based on what he had,
I believe Onigashima Raid spoiled us everything about Ancient Lore & how those Weapons were created.
Notice how Marco, Alber & Katakuri are YC1 who joined their Captains from very young age, they are basically their children,
WB Pirates, BM Pirates & Beasts Pirates don't look up to their Captains just for their Power/Authority but also their Seniority in this lifestyle,
All Three of them played this game before with other Co-Crew Members & also other Subordinates such as Streusen & Marco's Father, so their Yonko Crews are more like Retirement Plan, not their actual Crew They journeyed with similar to Roger, Shanks & Luffy ... etc
WB's Trio were Marco, Jozu & Vista,
Kaidou's Trio were King, Queen & Jack,
BM's Trio were Katakuri, Smoothie & Cracker,
Ace wasn't WB's YC2, He was his Yamato,
And for Big Mom, her Ace/Yamato should be another Female, someone with Insane Potential, and imo that's Pudding (Her Third Eye might make her Stronger than people expect, I mean look at what Oda gave Bonney & Koby & Momo, so People shouldn't sleep on Pudding),
Now if you go to Current Emperors (Mainly Shanks, Blackbeard & Luffy), you notice that their Crews feels like an Alliance, rather than an Organization, Blackbeard Pirates literally presented themselves like that to Kuzan, saying that They are just together because of their common benefits, the same applies to SHs really, it's just that as MCs, They are very loyal & have strong friendship, but ultimately They are Ten Criminals with Impossible Dreams who decided to team-up, Luffy is actually least experienced of them (Beside Chopper) when Story Started, and Shanks Crew seems to be very similar tbh.
Now for Cross Guild, They are more similar to Current Yonko than Previous Ones, but as you pointed out, it's not really clear how They rank?
That's simply because we haven't yet met actual Captain of Cross Guild, nor have we met who is Dragon gonna serve,
Cross Guild & Revos Army are reserved last, because Oda is still hiding two major characters still not introduced,
Revos Army is like watching Shandians but without knowing who their Gan Fall gonna be,
Cross Guild is same thing but for Pirates/Villain Faction instead of Rebels,
As for Ancient Weapons, I don't think they fit this pattern, because I don't believe They were created by a Villain,
I believe Ancient Weapons were created by those who opposed him based on what he had,
I believe Onigashima Raid spoiled us everything about Ancient Lore & how those Weapons were created.
Very good point.
Thinking about it, the parallel between Ace & Yamato were clear since their flashbacks. Even symbolically, Yamato is the Ace of his father's card-themed crew, like Ace has the same role in Newgate's crew (and is literally named like that).
So your guess is that there's someone above Dragon in the RA Army and the same goes for Buggy in Cross Guild?
If that was the case, they must be unrevealed characters... but this far into the story? We still have to meet the Man Marked by Flames (who is hinted to be allied with the World Govt) and all the characters from the Ancient Kingdom.
Seem strange to me that such important roles will be filled this late in the story tbh.
I agree that Wano contained a lot of hints on that regard but can't quite precisely point my fingers on them. My only guess for now (simple gut feeling) is something related to the Island Dragger skull...
Thinking about it, the parallel between Ace & Yamato were clear since their flashbacks. Even symbolically, Yamato is the Ace of his father's card-themed crew, like Ace has the same role in Newgate's crew (and is literally named like that).
So your guess is that there's someone above Dragon in the RA Army and the same goes for Buggy in Cross Guild?
If that was the case, they must be unrevealed characters... but this far into the story? We still have to meet the Man Marked by Flames (who is hinted to be allied with the World Govt) and all the characters from the Ancient Kingdom.
Seem strange to me that such important roles will be filled this late in the story tbh.
I agree that Wano contained a lot of hints on that regard but can't quite precisely point my fingers on them. My only guess for now (simple gut feeling) is something related to the Island Dragger skull...
