Questions & Mysteries Valhalla vs Luslec

[MonsterKaido]

--Can valhalla when manipulated by traumerie defeat luslec? Traumerei can not interfere in this fight.

Thoughts?

@Shadowlord123 @Greenbeard @NAMELESS @Welkin @Cinera @Worst @Cadis Etrama Di Urek @Minatoze Narutomaki @Ha Yuri Zahard @Flower @Tai long @Haoshoku @Marimo_420 @Medeia @LogicoftheVI etc

 

[Shadowlord123]

Tough to tell when we have yet to see Luslec's limits.

In terms of stats, Valhalla was said to have base power and speed close/comparable to a FH like Gustang who's using full Reinforcement. Luslec on the other hand could physically hold the upper hand against 15% Reinforcement Urek but was clearly losing against 25%. I don't think Gustang is Urek's physical peer or anything, but Valhalla seems more impressive here so far.

Valhalla's weak point is probably the lack of skills and versatility. She can shoot beams, attack with the spikes of her wings, and seems to have some sort of hypnotic power that came close to get Gustang. But that's it. Luslec has a wide range of spells with different applications, some of them quite complex (like the one that attacks infinitely until the opponent dies and spreads through the environment as spores). We have yet to see everything he has too. That's an important advantage.

Main issue is that Valhalla has infinite life as long as Traumerei is alive. Even if you tear her apart, she's coming back like nothing.

So, it mainly comes down to whether Luslec has a special technique that can seal/trap/immobilize/incapacitate Valhalla completely. If he does, he probably wins (not easily though). If he doesn't, he's eventually getting killed.

 

[NAMELESS]

I think Luslec should be able to pull this of.

 

[Welkin]

Urek and Luslec both have much deeper bags than what we saw from them in that fight

Urek even says that he doesn’t remember Luslec being so weak the first time he met him

I’d assume Luslec didn’t actually get weaker so he was clearly holding back

The problem is we can’t really gauge how deep Luslec’s bag is just off that statement

Luslec could’ve been using 50% of his power or he could’ve been using 80% we just don’t know

Im leaning towards Luslec just because Valhalla really can’t do much besides throw its whips around at high speeds

I feel like Luslec should be able to handle such a straightforward opponent especially since (at least as far as we know) Valhalla doesn’t have the same ability to break spells as Urek

 

[MonsterKaido]

Urek and Luslec both have much deeper bags than what we saw from them in that fight

Urek even says that he doesn’t remember Luslec being so weak the first time he met him

I’d assume Luslec didn’t actually get weaker so he was clearly holding back

The problem is we can’t really gauge how deep Luslec’s bag is just off that statement

Luslec could’ve been using 50% of his power or he could’ve been using 80% we just don’t know

Im leaning towards Luslec just because Valhalla really can’t do much besides throw its whips around at high speeds

I feel like Luslec should be able to handle such a straightforward opponent especially since (at least as far as we know) Valhalla doesn’t have the same ability to break spells as Urek

Agreed. Traumerei has much more up his sleeve. Valhalla's stats are only comparable to FH's probably. Luslec even says he may be able to seal urek for sometime but didn't exactly knew how deep his bag is.

 

[Shadowlord123]

If you think about it, Valhalla won't end up being a big fraction of Traumerei's power. Traumerei divided his power into far too many entities.

There are 3 that got the biggest chunks: Valhalla, nerfed Traumerei and Leviathan. Nerfed Traumerei is at least comparable to Valhalla, and considering its hype, Leviathan is at least around here as well. Considering just this, Valhalla likely falls around 30% of Traum's full power.

Then there are the other 6 of the 7 animals: Fandore Harpe, Arrogant Kraken, Lazy Elgore, Enraged Rapid, and probably Cobalt and Vanquish. All of them at least pose a threat to CC Tier fighters, with some of them probably standing above. These are all the Shinheuh that he shared a portion of his direct power and abilities with.

But it's still not over because Traum can fuse with all the Shinheuh within All-Creatures, not just his 7 beasts. Just the amount of ancient Shinheuh he gave to Holand already numbers in the tens of thousands, and this is probably not a very relevant fraction of the full number. Among these random Shinheuh, some of them are fairly strong. There's a nameless crocodile that had Goruro (a BH level High Ranker) in awe of its power. There's the megalodon summoned against Gustang that came after Rapid too.

Consider the Shinwonryu release that was about to erase the Nest. Not all of it was released. Sophia came close to her limits after blocking an insignificant fraction of a fraction for a brief amount of time (and just random Shinheuh were unleashed). Traumerei has become one with all this power.

If we want to be picky, all the Shinheuh of the BHs (Wolf, Turtle, Cobra, Eagle Owl, Dobo, Haetae, Gran Abuelo, Percheron, Windbird, Elephant, Carp, Polar Bear, Chupacabra, Badger...) originally belonged to Traumerei and are also part of his power that gets stronger under his control, and that he can absorb.

All things considered, Valhalla would probably be lucky to reach 20% of Traumerei's full power.

 

[MonsterKaido]

If you think about it, Valhalla won't end up being a big fraction of Traumerei's power. Traumerei divided his power into far too many entities.

There are 3 that got the biggest chunks: Valhalla, nerfed Traumerei and Leviathan. Nerfed Traumerei is at least comparable to Valhalla, and considering its hype, Leviathan is at least around here as well. Considering just this, Valhalla likely falls around 30% of Traum's full power.

Then there are the other 6 of the 7 animals: Fandore Harpe, Arrogant Kraken, Lazy Elgore, Enraged Rapid, and probably Cobalt and Vanquish. All of them at least pose a threat to CC Tier fighters, with some of them probably standing above. These are all the Shinheuh that he shared a portion of his direct power and abilities with.

But it's still not over because Traum can fuse with all the Shinheuh within All-Creatures, not just his 7 beasts. Just the amount of ancient Shinheuh he gave to Holand already numbers in the tens of thousands, and this is probably not a very relevant fraction of the full number. Among these random Shinheuh, some of them are fairly strong. There's a nameless crocodile that had Goruro (a BH level High Ranker) in awe of its power. There's the megalodon summoned against Gustang that came after Rapid too.

Consider the Shinwonryu release that was about to erase the Nest. Not all of it was released. Sophia came close to her limits after blocking an insignificant fraction of a fraction for a brief amount of time (and just random Shinheuh were unleashed). Traumerei has become one with all this power.

If we want to be picky, all the Shinheuh of the BHs (Wolf, Turtle, Cobra, Eagle Owl, Dobo, Haetae, Gran Abuelo, Percheron, Windbird, Elephant, Carp, Polar Bear, Chupacabra, Badger...) originally belonged to Traumerei and are also part of his power that gets stronger under his control, and that he can absorb.

All things considered, Valhalla would probably be lucky to reach 20% of Traumerei's full power.

I found it hard that luslec will be less than even 20% of traum's power. We shall see next chapter if luslec does anything really impressive.

 

[Cadis Etrama Di Urek]

Lord give me strength cause what the hell man.


Saying that because of spells Luslec can defea Valhalla is amazing because fucking Gustang who's far more knowledgeable in spells than Luslec and far more superior in tiers of power couldn't just willy nilly cast some immobilization spell or something on Valhalla to call it a day and this mfer has literal power over reality and imagination.

I swear I'm going insane here.


The levels of wank.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I found it hard that luslec will be less than even 20% of traum's power. We shall see next chapter if luslec does anything really impressive.

I think all-out Luslec is probably > Valhalla. My only issue is if he has what it takes to get past the beast's immortality.

Lord give me strength cause what the hell man.

Saying that because of spells Luslec has a chance against Valhalla is amazing because fucking Gustang who's far more knowledgeable in spells than Luslec and far more superior in tiers of power couldn't just willy nilly cast some immobilization spell on Valhalla and this mfer has literal power over reality and imagination.

I swear I'm going insane here.

The levels of wank.

We have no idea how Gustang compares in spells with Luslec. He's knowledgeable in spells, and he can use them of course, but his fighting style isn't centered around spells. He hardly got any spell feat in the entirety of the series, besides the spell on Holand's mouth and him helping de Sah and de Jah with the soul spell at the FoD. Saying he's >> Luslec in spells is completely baseless.

Also, Gustang was explicitly said to be toying around with Valhalla and the nerfed Traumerei simultaneously. The full power of a FH, just looking at how Traumerei divided his power, is going to be leagues above Valhalla.

(Also, to be clear, I think all-out FHs shit on Luslec. I just don't think, let's say, 20% is enough to shit on him for sure).

 

[Cadis Etrama Di Urek]

We have no idea how Gustang compares in spells with Luslec. He's knowledgeable in spells, and he can use them course, but his fighting style isn't centered around spells. He hardly got any spell feat in the entirety of the series, besides the spell on Holand's mouth and him helping de Sah and de Jah with the soul spell at the FoD. Saying he's >> Luslec in spells is completely baseless.

Baseless?

Unless Luslec is stated to be the person containing knowledge of the most powerful spells in the tower or to be the greatest spell caster in the tower then why would he not have far less knowledge than Gustang who is touted for being a top 3 most knowledgeable being in the tower?

There's absolutely nothing like that for Luslec so from what logical angle would I assume him to be possibly close to or on par with or surpassing Gustang in terms of spell knowledge?

 

[Shadowlord123]

Baseless?

Unless Luslec is stated to be the person containing knowledge of the most powerful spells in the tower or to be the greatest spell caster in the tower then why would he not have far less knowledge than Gustang who is touted for being a top 3 most knowledgeable being in the tower?

There's absolutely nothing like that for Luslec so from what logical angle would I assume him to be possibly close to or on par with or surpassing Gustang in terms of spell knowledge?

Keep it simple.

We don't know the extent of what Gustang knows about spells, and we don't know the extent of what Luslec knows about spells. Gustang is clearly more knowledgeable overall, but that doesn't mean that someone who specializes in a certain area can't possibly come close/compare/do more than him in that specific area.

We have no clue what Gustang can do with spells. He simply doesn't use them in his fighting style. So trying to say "Oh well, Gustang couldn't restrain Valhalla with spells, so Luslec surely can't" is completely devoid of logic. We can't even begin to guess how they compare in the spell department anyway.

 

[Cadis Etrama Di Urek]

Keep it simple.

We don't know the extent of what Gustang knows about spells, and we don't know the extent of what Luslec knows about spells. Gustang is clearly more knowledgeable overall, but that doesn't mean that someone who specializes in a certain area can't possibly come close/compare/do more than him in that specific area.

We have no clue what Gustang can do with spells. He simply doesn't use them in his fighting style. So trying to say "Oh well, Gustang couldn't restrain Valhalla with spells, so Luslec surely can't" is completely devoid of logic. We can't even begin to guess how they compare in the spell department anyway.

Sure, I can see the sentiment behind what you say.


But there's one problem, Gustang isn't a lazy jack of all trades master of none type character trope.

What he knows he makes sure he knows to the absolute extent of it's limits, his character is like that.


No lazy studying.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Luslec is ranked higher than Traumiri himself... Luslec is not the same person as thousands of years ago had appeared, and valhalla is not enough to overcome a FH level on its own, if any, Luslec will likely have his own creature/flower to fight off Valhalla, like the flower and its unending blades alone made Urek go 30%

 

[Shadowlord123]

Sure, I can see the sentiment behind what you say.


But there's one problem, Gustang isn't a lazy jack of all trades master of none type character trope.

What he knows he makes sure he knows to the absolute extent of it's limits, his character is like that.


No lazy studying.

I agree, but we are back to square one.

It's safe to assume Gustang has big knowledge about spells, but we hardly have seen anything from him when it comes to that. He simply doesn't use them in a fight for now.

On the other hand, we have Luslec whose fighting skillset revolves around spells. Judging from that and his status, he should likewise have big knowledge about spells.

It's just impossible to establish a proper comparison, as spells aren't what Gustang uses to fight.

Luslec is ranked higher than Traumiri himself...

Which doesn't really mean anything. He's ranked higher because of what he represents (the darkness of the Tower), not because of his strength.

Besides, it's impossible for the ranking administration to have an accurate idea of the strength of a FH. They don't really know what they're ranking in terms of power.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

I agree, but we are back to square one.

It's safe to assume Gustang has big knowledge about spells, but we hardly have seen anything from him when it comes to that. He simply doesn't use them in a fight for now.

On the other hand, we have Luslec whose fighting skillset revolves around spells. Judging from that and his status, he should likewise have big knowledge about spells.

It's just impossible to establish a proper comparison, as spells aren't what Gustang uses to fight.




Which doesn't really mean anything. He's ranked higher because of what he represents (the darkness of the Tower), not because of his strength.

Besides, it's impossible for the ranking administration to have an accurate idea of the strength of a FH. They don't really know what they're ranking in terms of power.

of course it means alot, he is the strongest opposition leader to Zahard himself, there are blue holes and slayers and elders under his command whose strengths are within Top 100 and arguably some of them were the opposing force even back in the days of V and arlene, and now Luslec is their leader and their strongest
if he was just a nobody with a large group of followers, he would never get ranked in Top 100 let alone 15th,
it was already confirmed his ranking is worthy for his strength when facing Urek and stopping him (even Jinsung was counting on Luslec to stop Urek, and Jinsung is no fool)
and I am not saying its 100% accurate based on strength ranking, but it is accurate to some point and it does give a rough idea of their strengths (Traumiri can be stronger than Gustang, that doesn't mean the ranking doesn't represent strength)

 

[Cadis Etrama Di Urek]

of course it means alot, he is the strongest opposition leader to Zahard himself, there are blue holes and slayers and elders under his command whose strengths are within Top 100 and arguably some of them were the opposing force even back in the days of V and arlene, and now Luslec is their leader and their strongest
if he was just a nobody with a large group of followers, he would never get ranked in Top 100 let alone 15th,
it was already confirmed his ranking is worthy for his strength when facing Urek and stopping him (even Jinsung was counting on Luslec to stop Urek, and Jinsung is no fool)
and I am not saying its 100% accurate based on strength ranking, but it is accurate to some point and it does give a rough idea of their strengths (Traumiri can be stronger than Gustang, that doesn't mean the ranking doesn't represent strength)

It means zilch actually.

Baek Ryun is ranked much higher as is Adori who is number eight.

I don't believe there's anybody sane who believes either of them beat the family heads.

And SIU's blogs literally stated that the reason why some towerborns rank higher than the family heads is because no one has been able to witness their power due to them being so inactive for thousands of years meanwhile the others expand their influence throughout the tower in those years.

It's not strength, it's recency bias straight from SIU's mouth.

The only person in the latest ranking who proved himself through pure strength rather than influence is Urek and he's the most recent ranking we know.



Also he didn't force Urek to go 30 percent, he pushed Urek to 30% shinsoo basic shinsoo reinforcement.


I don't know if you understand this but basic Shinsoo reinforcement is mostly always a normal full body thing and it's a noob tier first thing you learn in technique.


Urek is basically building himself up into just a normal basic reinforcement unlike what everybody does with just straight up reinforcement, he's basically in what we used to know as base in this series before Urek took it a step further with a base beyond base following the floor of death arc.


That's not the same as forcing Urek to use 30% of his overall true power, how people don't get this is insane to me.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Luslec is ranked higher than Traumiri himself... Luslec is not the same person as thousands of years ago had appeared, and valhalla is not enough to overcome a FH level on its own, if any, Luslec will likely have his own creature/flower to fight off Valhalla, like the flower and its unending blades alone made Urek go 30%

 

[Shadowlord123]

of course it means alot, he is the strongest opposition leader to Zahard himself, there are blue holes and slayers and elders under his command whose strengths are within Top 100 and arguably some of them were the opposing force even back in the days of V and arlene, and now Luslec is their leader and their strongest
if he was just a nobody with a large group of followers, he would never get ranked in Top 100 let alone 15th,
it was already confirmed his ranking is worthy for his strength when facing Urek and stopping him (even Jinsung was counting on Luslec to stop Urek, and Jinsung is no fool)
and I am not saying its 100% accurate based on strength ranking, but it is accurate to some point and it does give a rough idea of their strengths (Traumiri can be stronger than Gustang, that doesn't mean the ranking doesn't represent strength)

Okay, I didn't word it too well. I didn't mean to say Luslec is a fodder who gets carried fully by his influence. He's strong, one of the strongest Tower-borns to ever exist for sure. His fight against Urek is more than enough to say he's blowing any HR we've seen out of the water except GWs and Urek.

The problem comes when you try to use this rank as an argument to say he's FH level. Most, if not all the feats of the GWs predate the ranking system, making it impossible to have a remotely accurate gauge of their power (as there's no data). In other words, the Ranking Administration has absolutely no idea of what they're ranking in terms of actual power.

As for his fight against Urek, Jinsung's words are meaningless. He is too weak to gauge the depth of Luslec's power, let alone Urek's. Not even Luslec himself can gauge the depth of Urek's power. Looking at the implications of this through Baam vs Dumas, there's a pretty good chance Urek can low diff Luslec without even going all-out.

Also he didn't force Urek to go 30 percent, he pushed Urek to 30% shinsoo basic shinsoo reinforcement.


I don't know if you understand this but basic Shinsoo reinforcement is mostly always a normal full body thing and it's a noob tier first thing you learn in technique.


Urek is basically building himself up into just a normal basic reinforcement unlike what everybody does with just straight up reinforcement, he's basically in what we used to know as base in this series before Urek took it a step further with a base beyond base following the floor of death arc.


That's not the same as forcing Urek to use 30% of his overall true power, how people don't get this is insane to me.

This too. It's just a fraction of basic Shinsu Reinforcement, expressed through only basic punches and kicks for nearly the entirety of the fight. And techniques tend to be big multipliers.

Good to add that it wouldn't contradict anything if Urek could reinforce his body far beyond 100% Basic Reinforcement (via a more complex way of enhancement like Shinsu Quality Control or a Transformation like Maschenny, Yama, or Baam). Effectively, it's still not possible to gauge how much Urek was holding back.

I would say SIU did a good job at Urek vs Luslec though. It hyped up Urek, while also making Luslec look insanely strong. It even created the illusion that Luslec is close and might have a chance to win if both go all-out, even though this won't be the case at all (because Luslec isn't strong enough to comprehend the depth of what he's fighting; much like how pre-Levi power-up Baam couldn't see the depth of Dumas' power and thought he could win if he used everything).

 

[Cadis Etrama Di Urek]

Okay, I didn't word it too well. I didn't mean to say Luslec is a fodder who gets carried fully by his influence. He's strong, one of the strongest Tower-borns to ever exist for sure. His fight against Urek is more than enough to say he's blowing any HR we've seen out of the water except GWs and Urek.

The problem comes when you try to use this rank as an argument to say he's FH level. Most, if not all the feats of the GWs predate the ranking system, making it impossible to have a remotely accurate gauge of their power (as there's no data). In other words, the Ranking Administration has absolutely no idea of what they're ranking in terms of actual power.

As for his fight against Urek, Jinsung's words are meaningless. He is too weak to gauge the depth of Luslec's power, let alone Urek's. Not even Luslec himself can gauge the depth of Urek's power. Looking at the implications of this through Baam vs Dumas, there's a pretty good chance Urek can low diff Luslec without even going all-out.



This too. It's just a fraction of basic Shinsu Reinforcement, expressed through only basic punches and kicks for nearly the entirety of the fight. And techniques tend to be big multipliers.

Good to add that it wouldn't contradict anything if Urek could reinforce his body far beyond 100% Basic Reinforcement (via a more complex way of enhancement like Shinsu Quality Control or a Transformation like Maschenny, Yama, or Baam). Effectively, it's still not possible to gauge how much Urek was holding back.

I would say SIU did a good job at Urek vs Luslec though. It hyped up Urek, while also making Luslec look insanely strong. It even created the illusion that Luslec is close and might have a chance to win if both go all-out, even though this won't be the case at all (because Luslec isn't strong enough to comprehend the depth of what he's fighting; much like how pre-Levi power-up Baam couldn't see the depth of Dumas' power and thought he could win if he used everything).

I agree with ya.


Also some people may need to take a step back from the agendas ngl as it's getting much too cloudy up there a bit.

Even I am guilty sometimes admittedly but this one is simply too absurd.


The first noob tier technique we learn in this series after learning to sense and control shinsoo and we have people genuinely believing it's Ureks true power.


Lord man, everyone in base in this series whenever in use of basic reinforcement could basically be said to be going all out from all the start since nobody else bar Urek has been shown able to control something that seems to be in an automatic 100% state all the time upon activation.


On a sidenote, Urek might genuine have the best control over shinsoo in this series ngl, maybe until we see Baek Ryun that could possibly change but for now he absolutely clears in terms of finetuned control.


His image as a brute really pushes this to the far back of the mind I guess.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

It means zilch actually.

Baek Ryun is ranked much higher as is Adori who is number eight.

I don't believe there's anybody sane who believes either of them beat the family heads.

And SIU's blogs literally stated that the reason why some towerborns rank higher than the family heads is because no one has been able to witness their power due to them being so inactive for thousands of years meanwhile the others expand their influence throughout the tower in those years.

It's not strength, it's recency bias straight from SIU's mouth.

The only person in the latest ranking who proved himself through pure strength rather than influence is Urek and he's the most recent ranking we know.



Also he didn't force Urek to go 30 percent, he pushed Urek to 30% shinsoo basic shinsoo reinforcement.


I don't know if you understand this but basic Shinsoo reinforcement is mostly always a normal full body thing and it's a noob tier first thing you learn in technique.


Urek is basically building himself up into just a normal basic reinforcement unlike what everybody does with just straight up reinforcement, he's basically in what we used to know as base in this series before Urek took it a step further with a base beyond base following the floor of death arc.


That's not the same as forcing Urek to use 30% of his overall true power, how people don't get this is insane to me.

I agree with ya.


Also some people may need to take a step back from the agendas ngl as it's getting much too cloudy up there a bit.

Even I am guilty sometimes admittedly but this one is simply too absurd.


The first noob tier technique we learn in this series after learning to sense and control shinsoo and we have people genuinely believing it's Ureks true power.


Lord man, everyone in base in this series whenever in use of basic reinforcement could basically be said to be going all out from all the start since nobody else bar Urek has been shown able to control something that seems to be in an automatic 100% state all the time upon activation.


On a sidenote, Urek might genuine have the best control over shinsoo in this series ngl, maybe until we see Baek Ryun that could possibly change but for now he absolutely clears in terms of finetuned control.


His image as a brute really pushes this to the far back of the mind I guess.

Okay, I didn't word it too well. I didn't mean to say Luslec is a fodder who gets carried fully by his influence. He's strong, one of the strongest Tower-borns to ever exist for sure. His fight against Urek is more than enough to say he's blowing any HR we've seen out of the water except GWs and Urek.

The problem comes when you try to use this rank as an argument to say he's FH level. Most, if not all the feats of the GWs predate the ranking system, making it impossible to have a remotely accurate gauge of their power (as there's no data). In other words, the Ranking Administration has absolutely no idea of what they're ranking in terms of actual power.

As for his fight against Urek, Jinsung's words are meaningless. He is too weak to gauge the depth of Luslec's power, let alone Urek's. Not even Luslec himself can gauge the depth of Urek's power. Looking at the implications of this through Baam vs Dumas, there's a pretty good chance Urek can low diff Luslec without even going all-out.



This too. It's just a fraction of basic Shinsu Reinforcement, expressed through only basic punches and kicks for nearly the entirety of the fight. And techniques tend to be big multipliers.

Good to add that it wouldn't contradict anything if Urek could reinforce his body far beyond 100% Basic Reinforcement (via a more complex way of enhancement like Shinsu Quality Control or a Transformation like Maschenny, Yama, or Baam). Effectively, it's still not possible to gauge how much Urek was holding back.

I would say SIU did a good job at Urek vs Luslec though. It hyped up Urek, while also making Luslec look insanely strong. It even created the illusion that Luslec is close and might have a chance to win if both go all-out, even though this won't be the case at all (because Luslec isn't strong enough to comprehend the depth of what he's fighting; much like how pre-Levi power-up Baam couldn't see the depth of Dumas' power and thought he could win if he used everything).

I don't even know why are you even arguing about percentage,
If he is using 30% of his body defenses, then he is using 30% of it, it doesn't even matter others using 100% or not, Urek is intentionally using very low percentage so he could actually gauge the opponents' strength, now if his 20% body defenses failed and then he went 30%, it obviously means Urek used 30% of his body defensive power
Now if you keep arguing but no he didn't use all his other powers etc, it doesn't matter, he had to go 30% with his defenses, that's it, nobody's expecting him to release all his techniques in 30%
And also Urek himself said he prefers overpowering opponents with pure strength, that's his fighting style, why should I keep pushing the idea that he can use FAR more stronger techniques when there is no need to do so, especially when neither side has gone all out
And Urek himself proves that the ranking is Strength related and that's why he even infiltrated Ranking administration demanding higher rank, which was not given to him because he was "weaker" than phantaminum or Enryu (but I have already mentioned I believe he is stronger than Zahard)
And if it's influence you are talking about, all families have more influence than Baek and Wolhaiksung, but the ranking admins are also estimating his strength that's why he is considered among the best and strongest, why do you think there are 3 FHs above him in ranking ? Obviously strength, none of them FHs are personally active, but for Ranking administration they obviously are stronger that's why put above others, for the ranking admins, it's not obvious whether other FHs are above Baek or Luslec, that's why those rankings

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And again, this Topic is Valhalla, not Traumiri VS Luslec, I am emphasizing on how strong Luslec is compared to Valhalla, not on how stronger he is compared to Traumiri or if he is stronger at all or not