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#21
All I know is that she can squeezes me with those legs of her:steef::steef:

OT: I think Vanica should be above every captains and close to Wizard King level and she's probably a bit weaker than Dante and Zenon imo:kayneshrug:
 
#22
Vanica general power level thread





What is her power level? Here is where you can discuss everything about Vanica's power level.



Seeing that Vanica is possessed by the devil Megicula and also one of the Dark Triad, who currently rule over the Spade Kingdom, her being a powerful mage is undeniable.

She uses Blood Magic and is able to create large creatures consisting of blood. That beast was easily able to withstand Noelleโ€™s Sea Dragonโ€™s Roar spell like it was nothing. Vanica even asked what that spell was supposed to be.

Other than Blood Magic, she also uses Curse-Warding Magic and she is able to create powerful curses. She was able to defeat the ruler of the Heart Kingdom, Lolopechka who is able to use Water Spirit Magic and both her magic and grimoire hold the sum of what former queens accumulated. Because of that defeat, she was cursed later.

When she attacked the Heart Kingdom, she resurrected her Dark Disciples by using Curse-Warding Magic. No matter how many times the Dark Disciples were killed they stood back up.


The only possible way to defeat the resurrected Dark Disciples was by killing Vanica herself.

She could also kill her own resurrected Dark Disciples by making them into a bomb.

Other than using magic, Vanica seems to be pretty strong physically. She easily stomped on one of her Dark Disciples and made him bleed.

Lolopechka used Mana Zone + Mana Method + Water Spirit Magic to cut Vanicaโ€™s Blood Magic into half and boost Noelleโ€™s Water Magic so she might stand a chance again Vanica. Then Noelle was able to stab Vanica in her Valkyrie Armor: Mermaid form. Vanica even praised Noelle for that attack.

After that Vanica started using her devil power at 50%. Lolopechka even realized that her spell was kinda useless since Vanica was still extremely powerful despite the fact that her Blood Magic was cut to half of its power.

Even 1% more of her devil powers gave her an extreme boost.

Fighting against Noelle, she was using more and more devil powers.

When Nero sealed her magic and devil powers away, she was able to break free because the help of Megicula and a weakening spell was activated before she reached 70% of her devil powers.

Vanica/Megicula was also able to curse the Water Spirit, Undine.

Seeing the power difference between Vanica and Noelle, Vanice doesnโ€™t want to fight her anymore but Noelle doesnโ€™t give up and drives her lance thought Vanica for the second time and makes her bleed. But it was a useless attack in the end.

Noelle uses Sea Dragonโ€™s Roar on Vanica but she blocks it with her Blood Magic pretty easily again.

After defeating Noelle at last, Vanica remembers Acier Silva and their fight. When Vanica gets to know that Noelle is related to Acier, she takes Lolopechka hostage just because she wants see Noelle get stronger so they could fight again. This also proves that Vanica expects Noelle to get stronger and come to the Spade Kingdom to have a fight again.



Wow, you've done really nice job!
Litteraly amazing analize.

Now let's return to your question, how is strong Vanica/Megicula, and what's her power lvl. Firstful let's see what character Vanica litteraly destroyed: Noelle, Nero, Lolochipeka, Noelle for most reasons was the strongest of em all(I mean yes, her power was boosted, but it was her who Vanica praised, few times, so...it is what it is. Now, is that really impressive features that Vanica showed? I would say yes. Like she called Sea Dragon Roar like it was nothing, while SDR is really powerful spell, that ripped Veto body in half, when characters like Luck and Magna was able just put a scratch on him. Also important to remember that SDR is not pircing magic spell, water spells should just blow away things(usually it's not deadly power), while SDR power could be compared to tsunami, which is litteraly destroy everything on it's way. Now, no one, even Elfs wasn't able tti o block SDR spell, so yes the fact that this spell wasn't even able to harm Vanica creations are impressive. From other hand we have characters like Yami who can cut space, so that is even beyond any spell with pircing damage. So what will happen if Yami cut Vanica in half with space cutting spell? I litteraly don't know. Yami's power is broken. From other hand when Noelle pirced Vanica with her water spear, which actually turning surrounding magic, even mana zone, for support Noelle attack, which could mean that Noelle actually used Vanica power against her, and with that power Noelle pirced threw Vanica, which usually should mean death, Vanika wasn't killed. So with that said, we could assume that Vanika is able to survive Yami's cutting attack. From other hand, most of Vanica's spells was cursing magic. So it seems that Vanica curse target, making it weaker and then defeat it with brute force. But Vanika never used 100% of her power, which should litteraly became beyond everything that she used. Still there's no prove that she is able defeat Yami.
Because of all that I will put her below Yami, but obliviosly I think Vanica is stronger then Mareleona, or is close in power to her. Especially because she could curse Mateleona, and her physical power could be equal to Mateleona. I'm not sure about Fuegeleon with his Salamandra...but I'm 100% confident that Vanica is stronger any other captain.
 

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I consider Vanica very strong.
But I think she is weaker than her brothers as it was mentioned that she can only access 70% of her powers whereas her brother can maybe access 80% of their powers.
Her powers are very devastating especially her magic that makes her disciples immortal.
I forget. Was it stated that she only has access to 70% of the Devil's power or she just only showed 70% of her power?
 

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Weakest DT member with the weakest devil.
 

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#31
Based on what? She showed great AOE and great damage overall.
That was Megicula much stronger then Zenon
Lucifero and Beelzebub are 2 of the 3 rulers of the Underworld with the third one very likely being Astaroth, and Megicula isn't. Dante and Zenon hosted the strongest devils, with Zenon being the best vessel according to their sibling.
 
#32
Lucifero and Beelzebub are 2 of the 3 rulers of the Underworld with the third one very likely being Astaroth, and Megicula isn't. Dante and Zenon hosted the strongest devils, with Zenon being the best vessel according to their sibling.
But Liebe litterally called her supreme devil, plus Beelzebub didn't enter the world in his own body, like Megicula did, he just lend his power to Zenon, more power then Megicula gived to Vanica(maybe), but then again we saw Vanica's half face as Megicula, so I kinda believe that Zenon has same power as Vanica, but he was stronger then her, case he was using Beelzebub power. BUT Megicula is really different case. She is not just a host, but she enter this world in her own body. Weakened? yes, but it was her body.
 

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#33
But Liebe litterally called her supreme devil, plus Beelzebub didn't enter the world in his own body, like Megicula did, he just lend his power to Zenon, more power then Megicula gived to Vanica(maybe), but then again we saw Vanica's half face as Megicula, so I kinda believe that Zenon has same power as Vanica, but he was stronger then her, case he was using Beelzebub power. BUT Megicula is really different case. She is not just a host, but she enter this world in her own body. Weakened? yes, but it was her body.
She is a supreme devil but not on the level of Lucifero and Beelzebub who are the rulers of hell, and Lucifero who has been called, multiple times, the ultimate devil. Megicula is like Lucifugus, someone who supports them, but not on their level.


Megicula can be stronger than the host versions of Zenon and Dante, but Vanica isn't. And Megicula is weaker than both Beel and Luci.
Beel and Luci>Megicula
Zenon and Dante>Vanica
 
#34
She is a supreme devil but not on the level of Lucifero and Beelzebub who are the rulers of hell, and Lucifero who has been called, multiple times, the ultimate devil. Megicula is like Lucifugus, someone who supports them, but not on their level.


Megicula can be stronger than the host versions of Zenon and Dante, but Vanica isn't. And Megicula is weaker than both Beel and Luci.
Beel and Luci>Megicula
Zenon and Dante>Vanica
Yes, I can agree wth that
 
#35
By scaling, she was likely the weakest triad member.

Noelle being her initial opponent upon introduction was pretty telling, given that Noelle has pretty consistently been portrayed as the weakest of the main three characters (not by that much, but enough to set a noteable precedent). Consider the Royal Knights exam, where she was second fiddle on her team to Yuno, or the Elves arc, where she needed help to win against her apostle, whereas both Asta and Yuno would go on to face against the main boss.

Vanica was definitely portrayed as superior to max power Noelle, given how much Lolopechka helped her in that fight, but Dante and Zenon were definitely portrayed as superior to their opponents as well, who themselves had better scaling.

I mean, she also had the feat of killing Noelle's mother, who had ludicrously high scaling for the beginning of the series, but Black Clover power-creep being what it is, I don't think that's enough to put her above the other Triad members.

In terms of devils, as stated earlier in the thread, Magicula was clearly the weakest of the three that the triad possessed, however, one thing that is in Vanica's favor was that Magicula was clearly much more involved in Vanica's affairs then the others were with theirs. Moreover, given how close Magicula was to finishing "Malevolent Femcantation", in practical terms, Vanica was the Dark triad time bomb with the shortest fuse amongst the three, and the largest inevitable explosion. But that stuff isn't actually "Vanica's" power given how she'd have nothing to do with it by that point, so she still probably counts as the weakest.

Thus, the final thing to look at is Hax, and how OP Vanica's abilities are compared to the others. Blood magic, as we've known since the witch's forest, has some unbelievably powerful healing spells, as well as a remarkable potential for body puppetry hax. Curse Warding magic, as well, is clearly one of the most versatile attributes in the power system. Unfortunately, these two attributes possess a rather remarkable degree of overlap, so in terms of character spec, Vanica is kind of inferior when theoretically she should've had an edge.

Curse Warding magic and blood magic are also best utilized in scenarios outside of direct combat, which also synergies poorly with Vanica unreasonably high bloodlust. This does mean that her power potential is likely much higher than what she's shown, should she commit to more subtle and insidious hit-and-run tactics, but given that her character would likely never do or utilize something like that, even under the most generously dire threat of death that I could reasonably imagine for her, I cant really count that in her favor.

Though I still think that she's probably a bit stronger than the likes of even Yami overall, and her presence is ultimately the most dangerous of the three, I definitely think I would put her down as the weakest of the Dark Triad.
 
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