Chapter Discussion Viz confirms Zoro took BM and Kaido attack

[OEKaneki]

-Luffy has no weapons to help him, his arms would have been chopped off.
-Kidd's pile of junk would have been instantly blown away just as it was when Kaido atacked him with a wind slash earlier in the fight, leaving him with nothing to defend himself.
-Killer is phisicaly weaker than Zoro by a huge margin as shown in their confrontation earlier in the arc.
-Law is also not very known for having a great defense and endurance, sure he is no fodder, but he dosent compare to Zoro or even Luffy when it comes to durability.

Luffy has the strongest CoA of anyone on the roof out of the supernova. He has advanced CoA and presumably barrier CoA (haven’t seen it yet, but that’s what he was trying to learn).

Law could have simply moved them all. That aside, he just tanked a full force Thunder Bagua from Kaido, so yeah, he does compare.

Kid is strong enough to have taken a straight shot from Big Mom, his defenses are pretty good. His junk would have helped as much if not more than Zoro’s blades.

I already said that Killer probably wouldn’t have been able to take it, but I’m not going to pretend that he’s “phisicaly weaker than Zoro by a huge margin,” which was not actually shown in the manga. They drew against each other, while both nerfed.

All that said, to say they couldn’t have taken that attack for a brief moment, as Zoro did, and survived it, as Zoro did (which he only did because Law saved him) is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Jiihad]

No lie....I’m real tempted to start deleting these dumbass petty ass threads that are made only over a single word....

 

[Rekien]

Luffy has the strongest CoA of anyone on the roof out of the supernova. He has advanced CoA and presumably barrier CoA (haven’t seen it yet, but that’s what he was trying to learn).

Law could have simply moved them all. That aside, he just tanked a full force Thunder Bagua from Kaido, so yeah, he does compare.

Kid is strong enough to have taken a straight shot from Big Mom, his defenses are pretty good. His junk would have helped as much if not more than Zoro’s blades.

I already said that Killer probably wouldn’t have been able to take it, but I’m not going to pretend that he’s “phisicaly weaker than Zoro by a huge margin,” which was not actually shown in the manga. They drew against each other, while both nerfed.

All that said, to say they couldn’t have taken that attack for a brief moment, as Zoro did, and survived it, as Zoro did (which he only did because Law saved him) is pretty ridiculous.

Nothing even remotely sugets that Luffy has better CoA than Zoro, remenber just knowing a technique dosent mean his haki is stronger...The scabbards all know adv CoA and they are not as strong as the supernova on the roof. Zoro cut through Kaido skin with his CoA, Luffy didnt manage to damage Kaido's skin and failed miserably in their first encounter due to that, in the rooftop fight he was bypassing it with his adv CoA. Its not liek Luffy;s arms are made out of metal like Zoro's blades are, even coating it with CoA, his arms would have been chopped to bits, thats TWO yonkos atacking....Even with his blades blocking the blunt of the atack even Zoro got hurt.

Yet Law didnt move them all, he didnt had time to move them all. Go reread the chapter.

He took a NORMAL punch from big mom not a named atack with the power of the two yonkos behind it, even Jinbe could block that kind of punch as he had done it in the past, again his junk didnt help him agaisnt kaiddo's air slashes while Zoro could casualy deflect that. Do you think it would have helped against a much more devastating atack?

Its not pretending, not when Killer's blade got stuck inside Zoro's shoulder and he lacked the strenght to take it out, Zoro MASSIVELY overpowered Killer there and thats not up to debate.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Holy shit Zoro just took an attack entirely that would kill army of EoS Sanjis in a nano second

 

[Rekien]

Holy shit Zoro just took an attack entirely that would kill army of EoS Sanjis in a nano second

Can you even imagine how many shins it would take to block that kind of atack?
:zorothink:

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Nowhere he said the contrary either.

The contrary is obvious though from the fact that Law teleported Zoro's limp body out of the way and at his side

when the attack obliterated the part of the roof they used to stand on

How are you guys arguing against this ? Why would you even ? There's no need to, we know for a fact that the attack would have killed all 5 of them if they didn't get the hell out of the way, so it's absolutely not a knock on Zoro to admit the obvious.

Zoro himself says that they all need to move or they all are done for. Standing and taking all of that was never an option.

 

[Finalbeta]

Holy shit Zoro just took an attack entirely that would kill army of EoS Sanjis in a nano second

In before someone will pretend that his suit could have endured the blast and thermal energy of Hakai

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Luffy has the strongest CoA of anyone on the roof out of the supernova. He has advanced CoA and presumably barrier CoA (haven’t seen it yet, but that’s what he was trying to learn).

Law could have simply moved them all. That aside, he just tanked a full force Thunder Bagua from Kaido, so yeah, he does compare.

Kid is strong enough to have taken a straight shot from Big Mom, his defenses are pretty good. His junk would have helped as much if not more than Zoro’s blades.

I already said that Killer probably wouldn’t have been able to take it, but I’m not going to pretend that he’s “phisicaly weaker than Zoro by a huge margin,” which was not actually shown in the manga. They drew against each other, while both nerfed.

All that said, to say they couldn’t have taken that attack for a brief moment, as Zoro did, and survived it, as Zoro did (which he only did because Law saved him) is pretty ridiculous.

Killer literally couldn't pull his Sword out of Zoro because he flexed. Law was in Awe of what Zoro even did this chapter. When he said how is he even moving. They not the same

 

[Rivaille]

The contrary is obvious though from the fact that Law teleported Zoro's limp body out of the way and at his side

when the attack obliterated the part of the roof they used to stand on

How are you guys arguing against this ? Why would you even ? There's no need to, we know for a fact that the attack would have killed all 5 of them if they didn't get the hell out of the way, so it's absolutely not a knock on Zoro to admit the obvious.

Zoro himself says that they all need to move or they all are done for. Standing and taking all of that was never an option.

It was clearly an option to him or else he would not have put himself in front of them

Excuse us to argue what we think is just. Excuse us to disagree with others opinion about Zoro and his performance. Especially when the others are using headcanon to downplay the character at every turn

Funnily enough apparently Law Shambles only Zoro not the guys that end up next to him. Apparently, Kidd and Killer end up next to Law too but no, only Zoro got shambles. A mere coincidence I guess

Law said that Zoro took the attack not that he shambles him midway. Not that he took it partially. No he said he took it. It is pretty clear to me. Now you want to think that Zoro got shambles, be my guest

 

[bennbeckman]

The contrary is obvious though from the fact that Law teleported Zoro's limp body out of the way and at his side

when the attack obliterated the part of the roof they used to stand on

How are you guys arguing against this ? Why would you even ? There's no need to, we know for a fact that the attack would have killed all 5 of them if they didn't get the hell out of the way, so it's absolutely not a knock on Zoro to admit the obvious.

Zoro himself says that they all need to move or they all are done for. Standing and taking all of that was never an option.

Is there a panel where it shows Law moving Zoro similar to ch 1010 when you can clearly see Law teleporting Zoro?

 

[Kuro Ashi]

It was clearly an option to him or else he would not have put himself in front of them

Excuse us to argue what we think is just. Excuse us to disagree with others opinion about Zoro and his performance. Especially when the others are using headcanon to downplay the character at every turn

Funnily enough apparently Law Shambles only Zoro not the guys that end up next to him. Apparently, Kidd and Killer end up next to Law too but no, only Zoro got shambles. A mere coincidence I guess

Law said that Zoro took the attack not that he shambles him midway. Not that he took it partially. No he said he took it. It is pretty clear to me. Now you want to think that Zoro got shambles, be my guest

Can you pm me you honest opinion on this ? Because i recall your arguments and takes to be more grounded than what i'm seeing here.

Zoro bought the short amount of time required for the others to get out of the way. Maybe Law used shambles on all of them, it's a speculation but it would make sense.

Naturally Zoro was the last remaining, so him suddenly appearing next to Law in a limp state with Law questioning if he's still alive, while the attack devastates the are he was on a split second ago indicates Law helped him get out of there, and is now checking on him to see if he managed get him out of there in time.

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Is there a panel where it shows Law moving Zoro similar to ch 1010 when you can clearly see Law teleporting Zoro?

The framing of that scene is one where you're supposed to wonder for a second if Zoro actually sacrificed himself.

That's why you see the others escaping, and then you see the attack destroying the area we know Zoro was left on.

So for that bit you're supposed to wonder what the heck happened with Zoro.

That's why you only see him in the aftermath brought at Law's side in that fucked up state to know that he is not dead. That's why we see that from Law's perspective as well who questions if he is still alive, to make sure he teleported him in time.

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How the heck do you guys work with the fact that

- The SN's could not escape the attack if Zoro does not buy them any time
- The SN's would all get wiped out if they tried to stop it based on Zoro's own words

And conclude that Zoro both stopped and took all of it for all it's worth, but then somehow escaped it by himself in time to catch up to the others and be shown at their side, while the attack still causes huge devastation in the place Zoro was a moment ago even though he took it and didn't need to get out of the way ?

I can't even wrap my mind around this mess, and how pointless it is to try to make these arguments.

 

[Rivaille]

Can you pm me you honest opinion on this ? Because i recall your arguments and takes to be more grounded than what i'm seeing here.

Zoro bought the short amount of time required for the others to get out of the way. Maybe Law used shambles on all of them, it's a speculation but it would make sense.

Naturally Zoro was the last remaining, so him suddenly appearing next to Law in a limp state with Law questioning if he's still alive, while the attack devastates the are he was on a split second ago indicates Law helped him get out of there, and is now checking on him to see if he managed get him out of there in time.

This is my honest opinion on the matter.
Before last chapter i said that either Law Shambles them all or he did not Shambles anyone. With last chapter, my take changed to Law did not Shambles any of them.

You see, what I find frustrating is the idea that if I dare to think that Zoro actually took the attack (exactly like the Law told us) and end up next to Law simply because he was pushed by the attack, my opinion is not grounded enough. Even tho I can list a number of « not grounded » opinion about Zoro that turned out to be true. I thought that after the last 10 chapters we were past the « Zoro cannot do that because XYZ » but apparently we will never

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Wtf am i reading.

Maybe Zoro also impregnated Big Mom in that split second and she's gonna have her 86th child.

Y'all don't know that he didn't. He can surpass all of your expectations now so anything is possible no matter how crazy it sounds.

You do you guys. I'll just stay away from this mess

 

[bennbeckman]

Can you pm me you honest opinion on this ? Because i recall your arguments and takes to be more grounded than what i'm seeing here.

Zoro bought the short amount of time required for the others to get out of the way. Maybe Law used shambles on all of them, it's a speculation but it would make sense.

Naturally Zoro was the last remaining, so him suddenly appearing next to Law in a limp state with Law questioning if he's still alive, while the attack devastates the are he was on a split second ago indicates Law helped him get out of there, and is now checking on him to see if he managed get him out of there in time.

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The framing of that scene is one where you're supposed to wonder for a second if Zoro actually sacrificed himself.

That's why you see the others escaping, and then you see the attack destroying the area we know Zoro was left on.

So for that bit you're supposed to wonder what the heck happened with Zoro.

That's why you only see him in the aftermath brought at Law's side in that fucked up state to know that he is not dead. That's why we see that from Law's perspective as well who questions if he is still alive, to make sure he teleported him in time.

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How the heck do you guys work with the fact that

- The SN's could not escape the attack if Zoro does not buy them any time
- The SN's would all get wiped out if they tried to stop it based on Zoro's own words

And conclude that Zoro both stopped and took all of it for all it's worth, but then somehow escaped it by himself in time to catch up to the others and be shown at their side, while the attack still causes huge devastation in the place Zoro was a moment ago even though he took it and didn't need to get out of the way ?


I can't even wrap my mind around this mess, and how pointless it is to try to make these arguments.

Im only responding to my part of your quote, im too lazy to erase the rest haha

That's not Oda's interpretation... that's your interpretation, in the end we'll agree to disagree, there isnt one of those images where Zoro is shown being teleported by Law during the blast, it's just assumed by you.

We see clear image in 1010 when Law does teleport Zoro. Based off 1010 says Zoro I will formulate my opinion and say Zoro took the full attack

 

[Rivaille]

Wtf am i reading.

Maybe Zoro also impregnated Big Mom in that split second and she's gonna have her 86th child.

Y'all don't know that he didn't. He can surpass all of your expectations now so anything is possible no matter how crazy it sounds.

You do you guys. I'll just stay away from this mess

Ask for an honest opinion. Then mock it by making false equivalencies and calling people crazy even tho the track record of W is on the « crazy » side.
How predictable

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Ask for an honest opinion. Then mock it by making false equivalencies and calling people crazy even tho the track record of W is on the « crazy side ».
How predictable

That ain't it my dude. Y'all are thinking with your wank boner right now, this shit makes no sense if you're 1% grounded.

It's my bad, i should have just stayed away from this. It just struck me how crazy it was i thought y'all were not serious about this.

 

[bennbeckman]

Ask for an honest opinion. Then mock it by making false equivalencies and calling people crazy even tho the track record of W is on the « crazy » side.
How predictable

Stop spttin facks and getting Ws bro

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That ain't it my dude. Y'all are thinking with your wank boner right now, this shit makes no sense if you're 1% grounded.

It's my bad, i should have just stayed away from this. It just struck me how crazy it was i thought y'all were not serious about this.

I get it... at least the 2 Zwankers have prefaced our convo with our opinion... you seem to think you and Oda are on the same wavelength... apparantly your opinion is manga facts only straight from Oda LOL

@Rivaille stop discussing, this guy is GoDa we will always lose discussion because he only spits Oda Facks

 

[Winsmoke Sanji]

This thread really shouldn't have gone past a page......

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Stop spttin facks and getting Ws bro

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I get it... at least the 2 Zwankers have prefaced our convo with our opinion... you seem to think you and Oda are on the same wavelength... apparantly your opinion is manga facts only straight from Oda LOL

@Rivaille stop discussing, this guy is GoDa we will always lose discussion because he only spits Oda Facks

Like i said, it's entirely my bad. I give too much credit to some of you in certain aspects. I'm just going to reevaluate some things and move along. I wouldn't have even touched this discussion if i knew you guys are actually serious with these arguments. I was just like "no way right ??", it's all on me :cheers:

 

[bennbeckman]

Like i said, it's entirely my bad. I give too much credit to some of you in certain aspects. I'm just going to reevaluate some things and move along. I wouldn't have even touched this discussion if i knew you guys are actually serious with these arguments. I was just like "no way right ??", it's all on me :cheers:

@Rivaille and I were like No way this guy would mock our opinions with headcanons and not be able to prove facts.

Then we were like of course he mocked our opinions with inserting headcanon for facts and doesnt like civilized discourse... cheers mate:cheers::cheers::cheers: