General & Others Wano had very few abandoned plot points
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I remember this:
Kaido was trying to kill himself (why do he want to kill himself? why dont he want to die in wano?
No one can kill Kaido including himself (what? what that supposed to mean, we clearly see he can die)
All this talk about death and how it completes man
All his talk about betrayal
Scabbers hurting Kaido for no reason (Kaido stated 2 times that they shouldn't hurt him and that they sword skill is shit)
Kaido wanting to question scabbers (completely forgotten)
Kaido knowing about Joy Boy and waiting for him
Kaido being ONI
Kaido believing he's the only one who can change the world
And that's just what i remembered.
Kaido was trying to kill himself (why do he want to kill himself? why dont he want to die in wano?
No one can kill Kaido including himself (what? what that supposed to mean, we clearly see he can die)
All this talk about death and how it completes man
All his talk about betrayal
Scabbers hurting Kaido for no reason (Kaido stated 2 times that they shouldn't hurt him and that they sword skill is shit)
Kaido wanting to question scabbers (completely forgotten)
Kaido knowing about Joy Boy and waiting for him
Kaido being ONI
Kaido believing he's the only one who can change the world
And that's just what i remembered.
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Tbf, most of those are explained by Kaido having secondhand and incomplete knowledge about Joy Boy (likely through King). If all Kaido knew was that Joy Boy would
1. appear in Wano;
2. return from death;
then it's easy to see why he seized Wano and why he was trying to kill himself by jumping off of sky islands (but now in water, because he's still a DF user: he doesn't want to die die, just to die in order to become Joy Boy, and then to change the world because of all the evils he's seen perpetrated by the WG and by small countries like his own Vodka Kingdom).
The oni part could tie in to the original Nika having been a giant demon, considering his alleged crewmates -- Zunesha and the Robot -- are both massive.
While the scabbards being able to hurt Kaido despite them having no power basis to do so is part of the undercurrent that's still being explored in Egghead with Sanji and Kizaru, according to which "feelings" are stronger than raw power. The scabbards did not possess Oden's prowess; yet they could hurt Kaido because of their sorrow, desperation, and need to avenge their master.
1. appear in Wano;
2. return from death;
then it's easy to see why he seized Wano and why he was trying to kill himself by jumping off of sky islands (but now in water, because he's still a DF user: he doesn't want to die die, just to die in order to become Joy Boy, and then to change the world because of all the evils he's seen perpetrated by the WG and by small countries like his own Vodka Kingdom).
The oni part could tie in to the original Nika having been a giant demon, considering his alleged crewmates -- Zunesha and the Robot -- are both massive.
While the scabbards being able to hurt Kaido despite them having no power basis to do so is part of the undercurrent that's still being explored in Egghead with Sanji and Kizaru, according to which "feelings" are stronger than raw power. The scabbards did not possess Oden's prowess; yet they could hurt Kaido because of their sorrow, desperation, and need to avenge their master.
Except for having a presence in Wano as expected by Oden, what we know about Kaido is incongruous with what we know about Joy Boy, and that's with knowing hardly anything about Joy Boy. What Kaido knows about Joy Boy? We're given literally nothing on that. Where he learned the name, why he thinks Joy Boy will beat him, etc. If he knows that Joy Boy is not himself but one who will beat him, even though he recruited King by saying he's the only one who can change the world, then he somehow entirely abandoned that ambition for a reason we don't have. His background in vodka kingdom might unpack the idea that Kaido has become the kind of ruler he hates, if anything. Because he completely adopted the might makes right way of the world instead of changing it.
the idea that he doesn't actually want to kill himself: so, his hobby is suicide but he makes sure not to do anything that will actually kill him? That's... an annoying bit of writing. Or would be, but Oda didn't explain it like that. Why would he believe that Joy Boy comes about by dying but also make sure to not kill himself, and then why would he say that Luffy couldn't be Joy Boy when he appeared to die?
But "could tie" says it all. Could, as in it actually doesn't and we're left to just interpret. Wano was the arc where I stopped giving Oda credit for leaving things between the lines because clearly it's easy to be completely wrong when a dude who spends hundreds of chapters to set these things up somehow doesn't make the time to explain. Kaido is the avatar of Oda's contrivances
the idea that he doesn't actually want to kill himself: so, his hobby is suicide but he makes sure not to do anything that will actually kill him? That's... an annoying bit of writing. Or would be, but Oda didn't explain it like that. Why would he believe that Joy Boy comes about by dying but also make sure to not kill himself, and then why would he say that Luffy couldn't be Joy Boy when he appeared to die?
But "could tie" says it all. Could, as in it actually doesn't and we're left to just interpret. Wano was the arc where I stopped giving Oda credit for leaving things between the lines because clearly it's easy to be completely wrong when a dude who spends hundreds of chapters to set these things up somehow doesn't make the time to explain. Kaido is the avatar of Oda's contrivances
I sure there was something going in Oda's mind, but unfortunately it was never revealed and in the end the main antagonist of One Piece's biggest saga has 3 pages flashback. We can guess why Kaido is like this, but that's not enough. Even if Oda closes everything down in the future, the WANO arc will still be flawed and confusing.
Because its a fun worldbuilding question.
The reason why Oda showed Zoro traversing a affected Wano, was to build up OUR ressentment against Orochi through the eyes of someone that we are not used to sea as an big empathic character.
The plot line was not the citizen needing to be healed, the plot line was Wano being oppressed by a vengefull shogun.
The reason why Oda showed Zoro traversing a affected Wano, was to build up OUR ressentment against Orochi through the eyes of someone that we are not used to sea as an big empathic character.
The plot line was not the citizen needing to be healed, the plot line was Wano being oppressed by a vengefull shogun.
Because its a fun worldbuilding question.
The reason why Oda showed Zoro traversing a affected Wano, was to build up OUR ressentment against Orochi through the eyes of someone that we are not used to sea as an big empathic character.
The plot line was not the citizen needing to be healed, the plot line was Wano being oppressed by a vengefull shogun.
The reason why Oda showed Zoro traversing a affected Wano, was to build up OUR ressentment against Orochi through the eyes of someone that we are not used to sea as an big empathic character.
The plot line was not the citizen needing to be healed, the plot line was Wano being oppressed by a vengefull shogun.
You cannot disagree that Author speaks through his Characters ?
Wano whole arc could be removed if Luffy didnt died there.
No use of seastone, land of the seastone.
No Zoro Samourai dragon slayer, nah Ryuma is Dead Luffy awaken.
No stuff on ponegliph for robin.
No explanation on Wano despite we must finish the filler Manga.
Oh Zunesha is here ? Nah it left.
When rewatching later OnePiece, i will skip from WCI till ... Egghead i guess to see Gorosei and Toei Kizaru
Wano whole arc could be removed if Luffy didnt died there.
No use of seastone, land of the seastone.
No Zoro Samourai dragon slayer, nah Ryuma is Dead Luffy awaken.
No stuff on ponegliph for robin.
No explanation on Wano despite we must finish the filler Manga.
Oh Zunesha is here ? Nah it left.
When rewatching later OnePiece, i will skip from WCI till ... Egghead i guess to see Gorosei and Toei Kizaru
I think you don't understand. Some things.. are not fixable in the timeline. And that's actually one of the point of Chopper's arc that people - I think - tend to missunderstand.
Chopper's arc is about fighting the inevitability of death. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he don't. Actually, Chopper is often put in situation where he is powerless in front of death. But that's the point. A doctor's purpose is not to find the ultimate remedy, a doctor's purpose is to keep fighting despite the losses.
In Wano's case. Chopper is simply powerless, he can't do anything. That might happen in the future, but it was not a plot line of Wano. Again, you need to make the difference between what you want or think can happen, and what is actually narratively happening through the story.
In wano, the fight of Chopper against the smiles wasn't highlighted narratively. This therefore never became a plot line.
So no. Oda abandonned nothing here.
Actually I can. The words of characters are not necessarally the words of the author.
I think you are confusing what you wanted to see and what the story actually needed.
You do what you want mate.
It wasn't. The reveal of Nika (and the gear 5) is a narrative masterpiece.
Chopper's arc is about fighting the inevitability of death. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he don't. Actually, Chopper is often put in situation where he is powerless in front of death. But that's the point. A doctor's purpose is not to find the ultimate remedy, a doctor's purpose is to keep fighting despite the losses.
In Wano's case. Chopper is simply powerless, he can't do anything. That might happen in the future, but it was not a plot line of Wano. Again, you need to make the difference between what you want or think can happen, and what is actually narratively happening through the story.
In wano, the fight of Chopper against the smiles wasn't highlighted narratively. This therefore never became a plot line.
So no. Oda abandonned nothing here.
Actually I can. The words of characters are not necessarally the words of the author.
I think you are confusing what you wanted to see and what the story actually needed.
You do what you want mate.
It wasn't. The reveal of Nika (and the gear 5) is a narrative masterpiece.