General & Others Wano if Zoro kept shusui
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1) Where? Can u give me the canon source? A sbs?
Or are u maybe referring to their grade? Ofc a black blade > white blade, but if u haven't the ability to turn a blade to a black blade this doesn't mean nothing.
2) Every weapon is a "training tool" for a swordman.
Do u really think that mihawk didn't became more strong while he tried to control yoru?
Or are u really sayng that if oda decided to gave black yoru to mihawk when he was a teenager he would have turn into a top tier suddenly?
The training is the real power up here. And enma have required an hard training.
Zoro managed to perfectly used shusui during the timeskip with mihawk. In wano, he wouldn't have obtained a new power up with the same sword.
The fact that shusui was and is an higer grade weapon doesn't mean nothing here.
So "wano if zoro kept shusui" is almost the same as "mihawk's life if he kept his first sword", the only logical answer is: he wouldn't have gotten that strong.
3) Zoro would have discover acoc like luffy? Maybe. But oda decided something different for him and enma was his power op.
So no, wano and ongashima would have been very different and zoro would have died against kaido or king if we rely on what we saw in the manga.
In a different timeline, oda would have decided for a different way for his power up and yes, nothing would have changed.
Or are u maybe referring to their grade? Ofc a black blade > white blade, but if u haven't the ability to turn a blade to a black blade this doesn't mean nothing.
2) Every weapon is a "training tool" for a swordman.
Do u really think that mihawk didn't became more strong while he tried to control yoru?
Or are u really sayng that if oda decided to gave black yoru to mihawk when he was a teenager he would have turn into a top tier suddenly?
The training is the real power up here. And enma have required an hard training.
Zoro managed to perfectly used shusui during the timeskip with mihawk. In wano, he wouldn't have obtained a new power up with the same sword.
The fact that shusui was and is an higer grade weapon doesn't mean nothing here.
So "wano if zoro kept shusui" is almost the same as "mihawk's life if he kept his first sword", the only logical answer is: he wouldn't have gotten that strong.
3) Zoro would have discover acoc like luffy? Maybe. But oda decided something different for him and enma was his power op.
So no, wano and ongashima would have been very different and zoro would have died against kaido or king if we rely on what we saw in the manga.
In a different timeline, oda would have decided for a different way for his power up and yes, nothing would have changed.
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IQ tests are a measurement. You dont pass or fail them and face it your score would be way below a 100.
Enma did help Zoro become stronger by helping him learn how to use AdCoC but Enma itself isn’t a powerup like you claimed.
It be like someone saying: "So by the time I'm used to moving this 300kg rock, it'll mean I've gotten that much stronger".
You: "The rock is a powerup"
Enma did nothing for Zoro against Kaido besides nerf him though.
Enma did help Zoro become stronger by helping him learn how to use AdCoC but Enma itself isn’t a powerup like you claimed.
It be like someone saying: "So by the time I'm used to moving this 300kg rock, it'll mean I've gotten that much stronger".
You: "The rock is a powerup"
Enma did nothing for Zoro against Kaido besides nerf him though.
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1.no nerf on rooftop, and the hardness and weight of the blade would of definitely made his ryou based cuts hit harder, and he defends hakai better.
2.Verses king he still gets wrecked as king does not need to go out of flame on mode. the question is does zoro come to the same conclusion that he needs to go all out with his haki instead of trying to hold it back it like he was doing with Enma. Who knows tbh but if it comes to him going all out like he did with ashura this in itself is enough to end the fight imo at least he would be going all out with his haki in that moment just like he did vs kaido and that would end it. Flame on or off doesn’t matter.
2.Verses king he still gets wrecked as king does not need to go out of flame on mode. the question is does zoro come to the same conclusion that he needs to go all out with his haki instead of trying to hold it back it like he was doing with Enma. Who knows tbh but if it comes to him going all out like he did with ashura this in itself is enough to end the fight imo at least he would be going all out with his haki in that moment just like he did vs kaido and that would end it. Flame on or off doesn’t matter.
Hold on, you've taken that panel out of context.
The whole problem with Enma is that it forces its user to exude more of their own haki than they intend. It was obvious from the moment that Zoro got Enma up until the end of the King fight that he had issues controlling it. Zoro later confirmed that the reason he had issues taming Enma was because of his own lack of skill in relation to Enma's standards.
This means that Zoro had to become a stronger swordsman in order to tame Enma, and not thanks to Enma.
It's one thing to say that Enma led to Zoro unlocking ACoC. It's completely different to say that Enma by itself was boosting Zoro's power. Zoro only got stronger through the necessity of having to stop Enma from acting up and almost killing him.
The whole problem with Enma is that it forces its user to exude more of their own haki than they intend. It was obvious from the moment that Zoro got Enma up until the end of the King fight that he had issues controlling it. Zoro later confirmed that the reason he had issues taming Enma was because of his own lack of skill in relation to Enma's standards.
This means that Zoro had to become a stronger swordsman in order to tame Enma, and not thanks to Enma.
It's one thing to say that Enma led to Zoro unlocking ACoC. It's completely different to say that Enma by itself was boosting Zoro's power. Zoro only got stronger through the necessity of having to stop Enma from acting up and almost killing him.
Hold on, you've taken that panel out of context.
The whole problem with Enma is that it forces its user to exude more of their own haki than they intend. It was obvious from the moment that Zoro got Enma up until the end of the King fight that he had issues controlling it. Zoro later confirmed that the reason he had issues taming Enma was because of his own lack of skill in relation to Enma's standards.
This means that Zoro had to become a stronger swordsman in order to tame Enma, and not thanks to Enma.
It's one thing to say that Enma led to Zoro unlocking ACoC. It's completely different to say that Enma by itself was boosting Zoro's power. Zoro only got stronger through the necessity of having to stop Enma from acting up and almost killing him.
The whole problem with Enma is that it forces its user to exude more of their own haki than they intend. It was obvious from the moment that Zoro got Enma up until the end of the King fight that he had issues controlling it. Zoro later confirmed that the reason he had issues taming Enma was because of his own lack of skill in relation to Enma's standards.
This means that Zoro had to become a stronger swordsman in order to tame Enma, and not thanks to Enma.
It's one thing to say that Enma led to Zoro unlocking ACoC. It's completely different to say that Enma by itself was boosting Zoro's power. Zoro only got stronger through the necessity of having to stop Enma from acting up and almost killing him.
Is what i'm sayng in another post.
But this isn't the point.
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Is what a decent reader call power up
Zoro didn't need Enma to force him to level up his haki he would have been forced to regardless by the toughness of kaido and King.
He awakened his coc on the roof same way ace did to protect nika from certain death enma had nothing to do with it. When zoro was facing similar challenge in alabasta against mr1 did he need wado to use haki lol.
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King durability brought out his potential just as much let's say he was facing non lunarian what need would zoro have for adcoc
Enma can be satisfied with overwhelming ryuo/coa this is the haki that it demands in abundance not adcoc
He awakened his coc on the roof same way ace did to protect nika from certain death enma had nothing to do with it. When zoro was facing similar challenge in alabasta against mr1 did he need wado to use haki lol.
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King durability brought out his potential just as much let's say he was facing non lunarian what need would zoro have for adcoc
Enma can be satisfied with overwhelming ryuo/coa this is the haki that it demands in abundance not adcoc
Yeah this is not about ACoC
While Enma had its drawbacks, it was still the main tool that allowed Zoro to draw more strength and threaten the Yonko on rooftop, like the attack that sliced Onigashima’s horn for example. Without Enma such output wouldn’t have been possible. Right now things are different and with and without Enma he should have total control of his haki.
And yeah an opponent’s strength is always one of the driving factors to any powerup
While Enma had its drawbacks, it was still the main tool that allowed Zoro to draw more strength and threaten the Yonko on rooftop, like the attack that sliced Onigashima’s horn for example. Without Enma such output wouldn’t have been possible. Right now things are different and with and without Enma he should have total control of his haki.
And yeah an opponent’s strength is always one of the driving factors to any powerup
Black blades are the most elite Sword. He said it in Road to laughtale
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1. Stop writing your own story. Oda said Black blades are the most Elite. Everything else you made up from your headcanon.
2. Not necessarily, if You give Zoro a fodder Sword right now it wouldn't give him much benefit from how strong he is now.
3. Enma is a Sword, It can't give someone ACoC. ACoC is something only a few of the very strongest unlock which Zoro did. All Enma does it take your haki.
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1. Stop writing your own story. Oda said Black blades are the most Elite. Everything else you made up from your headcanon.
2. Not necessarily, if You give Zoro a fodder Sword right now it wouldn't give him much benefit from how strong he is now.
3. Enma is a Sword, It can't give someone ACoC. ACoC is something only a few of the very strongest unlock which Zoro did. All Enma does it take your haki.
First, Oda didn't write it, it's the same with magazines and the Vivre Cards.
Second, black blades being the most elite swords in existence is a TCB fabrication, that sentence is completely absent in the original Japanese.
Second, black blades being the most elite swords in existence is a TCB fabrication, that sentence is completely absent in the original Japanese.
2. Idk wtf your showing me. Get a translator here
First, Oda didn't write it, it's the same with magazines and the Vivre Cards.
Second, black blades being the most elite swords in existence is a TCB fabrication, that sentence is completely absent in the original Japanese.
Second, black blades being the most elite swords in existence is a TCB fabrication, that sentence is completely absent in the original Japanese.
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1. Go read it dumbass. Where do you think you found out Roger Swords name from you dumbass
2. Post the original book