Questions & Mysteries Was Luffy and Katakuri's final clash AdCoC?

#1
So I'm a little on the fence with this one, but with so many people talking about what is and isn't AdCoC, and bringing up the Luffy vs Katakuri fight, I went back to look at the fight for myself.

Now initially, nothing seemed out of the ordinary during the fight that would indicate that AdCoC was ever used, until we get to the very last clash between :uffy and Katakuri. What makes the end of this fight so strange, is that Oda never once showed either Luffy or Katakuri's attack making direct contact with the other persons body.

He has never finished a fight like this throughout the entire run of One Piece. At the end of chapter 895, we are shown Luffy and Katakuri's attacks just about to land, and that's where the chapter ends.


Then when we pick back up in the fight in chapter 896, we are shown a scene of Luffy and Katakuri's attacks with impact marks all throughout, but still the attacks are not connecting with either of their bodies.


Now there is probably different reasons, or explanations people can come up with that explain why Oda decided not to draw their attacks connecting, or something else that is happening in the scene with those two, but what happens afterwards is what makes it extremely questionable.

When Katakuri first used Buzz Cut Mochi, which was a smaller version of the one he used in the final clash with Luffy, ground exploded on impact, and left a massive crater.


However, in their final clash, the ground where Luffy was standing was perfectly fine at first after initial impact.


Then it looks like it slightly erupts outwards, before caving in on itself, almost as if it was destroyed internally.


So yeah, not really sure what is going on with this whole situation, or why Oda chose to draw it this way, but it is definitely questionable. The attacks never touch the other ones body, but still showcase impact marks, and the ground itself doesn't collapse in the same manner that it did when Katakuri used a smaller version of Buzzkill Mochi, that he used earlier in the fight, but yet left a much bigger crater. It might be possible that those lightning coated fists of Luffy and Katakuri was CoC coating the entire time.

Like I said, I'm on the fence about it, but I'll leave it to others to form their own opinion.

Edit: Just to be clear, I am not saying Luffy used it consciously, as I know he figured out how to use it himself on Wano in the Kaido fight.
 
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#5
So I'm a little on the fence with this one, but with so many people talking about what is and isn't AdCoC, and bringing up the Luffy vs Katakuri fight, I went back to look at the fight for myself.

Now initially, nothing seemed out of the ordinary during the fight that would indicate that AdCoC was ever used, until we get to the very last clash between :uffy and Katakuri. What makes the end of this fight so strange, is that Oda never once showed either Luffy or Katakuri's attack making direct contact with the other persons body.

He has never finished a fight like this throughout the entire run of One Piece. At the end of chapter 895, we are shown Luffy and Katakuri's attacks just about to land, and that's where the chapter ends.


Then when we pick back up in the fight in chapter 896, we are shown a scene of Luffy and Katakuri's attacks with impact marks all throughout, but still the attacks are not connecting with either of their bodies.


Now there is probably different reasons, or explanations people can come up with that explain why Oda decided not to draw their attacks connecting, or something else that is happening in the scene with those two, but what happens afterwards is what makes it extremely questionable.

When Katakuri first used Buzz Cut Mochi, which was a smaller version of the one he used in the final clash with Luffy, ground exploded on impact, and left a massive crater.


However, in their final clash, the ground where Luffy was standing was perfectly fine at first after initial impact.


Then it looks like it slightly erupts outwards, before caving in on itself, almost as if it was destroyed internally.


So yeah, not really sure what is going on with this whole situation, or why Oda chose to draw it this way, but it is definitely questionable. The attacks never touch the other ones body, but still showcase impact marks, and the ground itself doesn't collapse in the same manner that it did when Katakuri used a smaller version of Buzzkill Mochi, that he used earlier in the fight, but yet left a much bigger crater. It might be possible that those lightning coated fists of Luffy and Katakuri was CoC coating the entire time.

Like I said, I'm on the fence about it, but I'll leave it to others to form their own opinion.
Umm no because Luffy knew he is unable to hurt Kaido hence why he developed AdvCoA which was also unable to hurt Kaido so then he developed AdvCoC.

Katakuri is a failed conqueror like Doffy.
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There was no "AdCoC" back then. There was CoC burst, but they weren't "coated".
There was advCoC and Shanks and Whitebeard used it.
Katakuri is a failed conquerors and weaker than King and Marco due to the fact that in 40 years he was not able to unlock AdvCoC and fulfil his Destiny as a conqueror
 
#6
I think that was their CoC flaring up in the heat of battle, like we’ve seen with Luffy/Chinjao, Luffy/Doflamingo, and Zoro/Kaido

Wouldn’t be surprised if it got retconned into CoC coating though
 

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#7
I would say that this panel actually disproves the "no - touching" argument.


We see Luffy's blood dripping off of Katakuri's Zangiri Mochi here. So it definitely did make contact. I always assumed that panel as both of them releasing their attacks on each other the same time.

Regarding the part about the ground caving in after a bit, firstly I would argue that the first Zangiri Mochi had more weight behind it since Katakuri swung Luffy around before slamming him onto the ground. That didn't happen here.

Secondly, the reason why Katakuri didn't slam and break the ground was always clear to me - it's the same reason why King Cobra didn't send Katakuri flying away but a simple Jet Culverin sent him crashing through a building. It's because Luffy's arm here is connected to his fist and Katakuri's arm there was connected to his body. It took a while but the impact of the attack definitely broke the ground soon.

I wouldn't say Katakuri could use ACoC since he never showed the usage of Barrier Haki - which is the first step for anyone who uses Conquerors coating, the ability to flow one's CoA outside of their own body. Same applies to Luffy as well imo, since he struggled to even hurt Kaido with his attacks not long after this interaction. Luffy learnt Barrier Haki and Zoro showed his Barrier Haki this arc - Hakai, shielding himself from King's explosion, breaking free from King's trick mechanism - all instances where he flowed his haki outside of his body. This is also proven when he could cut Kaido.
 
#8
So I'm a little on the fence with this one, but with so many people talking about what is and isn't AdCoC, and bringing up the Luffy vs Katakuri fight, I went back to look at the fight for myself.

Now initially, nothing seemed out of the ordinary during the fight that would indicate that AdCoC was ever used, until we get to the very last clash between :uffy and Katakuri. What makes the end of this fight so strange, is that Oda never once showed either Luffy or Katakuri's attack making direct contact with the other persons body.

He has never finished a fight like this throughout the entire run of One Piece. At the end of chapter 895, we are shown Luffy and Katakuri's attacks just about to land, and that's where the chapter ends.


Then when we pick back up in the fight in chapter 896, we are shown a scene of Luffy and Katakuri's attacks with impact marks all throughout, but still the attacks are not connecting with either of their bodies.


Now there is probably different reasons, or explanations people can come up with that explain why Oda decided not to draw their attacks connecting, or something else that is happening in the scene with those two, but what happens afterwards is what makes it extremely questionable.

When Katakuri first used Buzz Cut Mochi, which was a smaller version of the one he used in the final clash with Luffy, ground exploded on impact, and left a massive crater.


However, in their final clash, the ground where Luffy was standing was perfectly fine at first after initial impact.


Then it looks like it slightly erupts outwards, before caving in on itself, almost as if it was destroyed internally.


So yeah, not really sure what is going on with this whole situation, or why Oda chose to draw it this way, but it is definitely questionable. The attacks never touch the other ones body, but still showcase impact marks, and the ground itself doesn't collapse in the same manner that it did when Katakuri used a smaller version of Buzzkill Mochi, that he used earlier in the fight, but yet left a much bigger crater. It might be possible that those lightning coated fists of Luffy and Katakuri was CoC coating the entire time.

Like I said, I'm on the fence about it, but I'll leave it to others to form their own opinion.
No, Luffy just figured it out in Wano. If i wanna wank Luffy i'd say that Luffy did the no-touch stuff in WCI and also black lightning AdvCoC also in WCI. Lookie here in upper left panel, a fist with black lightning even before the clash




Even clearer, a no-touch zone in front of Luffy's fist, blasting Kata and leaving black lightning trails in Kata's body.


thus earning his Wano powerup even more since he already "had" AdvCoC if i only depend on the graphical depiction lol, but Oda is way too inconsistent in this stuff so without anyone in WCI confirming its AdvCoC then i dont think so.
 
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