Questions & Mysteries Was Rayleigh "100 times" stronger than Luffy (need Japanese speakers)?

#21
Yet it took the entire straw hat crew to defeat One Piece pacisita, same pacifista that post TS g2 Luffy can one shot lmao
Pacifista are made of metal. they have a fixed threshold of how much force they can take before they break. be slightly under that threshold, you fail to damage it. be slightly above, you can technically one shot it.
its a bad comparison.
Garp can easily defeat 100 Pacifista consecutively. Rayleigh can not beat 10 pre skip Luffys. Admirals could though, as Luffy can not touch them.

you also never mentioned that Sabaody SHs were just coming out of an arc were each and every member got absolutely MANGLED.
on the other hand, after the TS all of them where fresh and healthy.
Luffy may not seem exhausted, but as Kuma states, his ability is not real healing.

pre-Skip Luffy can solo a pacifista already. how may not be able to one shot it like post skip Luffy did, but he can beat it 1v1 without much issue.
 
#24
Yes,I wouldn't take Shaky's statement seriously.It was just a hype statement.
Rayleigh in the auction house tried to to knock out everyone ,bar the SH,yet he failed to knock out anyone from Law's and Kid's crew. He just came close to knocking out Sachi.


100times stronger is too big of a difference to not think it is an overwhelming difference ,CoC should have worked but it didn't work ,even to guys a lot weaker than Luffy.
 
#26
I think the way Kizaru was dealing with supernovas who I believe were all stronger than Luffy, Luffy was bottom tier supernova in Sabaody, as a matter of fact I think he was below even Zoro if he was fresh.

Something like this Law > Kid > Drake > Urouge > Hawkins > Apoo > Zoro without Injuries > Luffy > Bonney > Capone and Kizaru was terrorizing some of the strongest of supernovas with just his lasers.
You can't be serious, mate.
Luffy in base could keep up with a 4000 Doriki strong Rokushiki master in base. G2 pre ts was called out as doping. Means that Luffy, who was within base Lucci's Doriki range in base already, got a significant strength boost on top.
Which among other things made him able to use Soru, which boosted his movement speed significantly and just as immensly G2 boosted his attack speed and attack power. All that within the concept of a time limited mode. I mean even his attack pre fix changed.
You really have to understand that if you do not suddenly buff up like Lucci did back then, G2 Luffy will handle you the same way, he handled pre transformation and partly transformed Lucci aswell. Rewatch those panels, it might convince you.

But I guess anyone and their mothers have the physical make up of Hybrid Lucci. And their dfs going by your understanding are probably what? Additional benefits? It just makens not one bit of sense.
Isn't it more likelier to assume that Luffy is in fact, just like he was portrayed to be, rather among the top of the supernovas, cause he would exactly do that to most of them, what he could do to base Lucci, who's already a very high benchmark for all of them, bar Drake, hybrid Drake and probably Kid, in overall stats and bar someone like transformed Urouge in resilience (which doesn't matter, cause he will get blitzed and punished constantly anyway)?

What swordbois will seemingly never get is, that G2 Luffy completely speedblitzes and low diffs Kaku and Jabra respectively, just like Lucci would beat them and just like both plainly beat Sanji and Zoro to a pulp, thus the "in manga" statement about how he has to stop Lucci, cause otherwise his nakama will be in serious danger.

In before:
Ashura obv lasts an hour and everyone has to just stand there and eat those 9 swords, even if that someone is double as fast. And Kaku's giraffe is obviously 20 times more powerful than Lucci's leopard transformation, while that Giraffe mode, in which he's able to use Amanedachi, is obviously totally stat balanced and combat fitting, far in contrast to what anybody would think at first impression and thus it did not completely changed his fighting style in the canon material (nose game is stronk) for the most part of that fight and hybrid Lucci and Luffy wouldn't be able to manuever around that newfound fighting style ( his freakin nose) whenever they want to and cheap shot his giraffe ass.
No it's simply not true that they are much more nimble and faster than Zoro.. and by extension, capable of handling Kaku's neck/nose combi.
And it's also simply not true that Luffy is Zoro's captain and that he fought the boss of the opposing organisation, who's Kaku's superior. Nah.. And let's not even talk about those fake bounties...
-> Zoro headcanon in a nutshell.

Simply tired of that one and you are one of the guys who talk about it the most, so.. Sorry for abusing this thread @sanjikun
 
#27
You can't be serious, mate.
Luffy in base could keep up with a 4000 Doriki strong Rokushiki master in base. G2 pre ts was called out as doping. Means that Luffy, who was within base Lucci's Doriki range in base already, got a significant strength boost on top.
Which among other things made him able to use Soru, which boosted his movement speed significantly and just as immensly G2 boosted his attack speed and attack power. All that within the concept of a time limited mode. I mean even his attack pre fix changed.
You really have to understand that if you do not suddenly buff up like Lucci did back then, G2 Luffy will handle you the same way, he handled pre transformation and partly transformed Lucci aswell. Rewatch those panels, it might convince you.

But I guess anyone and their mothers have the physical make up of Hybrid Lucci. And their dfs going by your understanding are probably what? Additional benefits? It just makens not one bit of sense.
Isn't it more likelier to assume that Luffy is in fact, just like he was portrayed to be, rather among the top of the supernovas, cause he would exactly do that to most of them, what he could do to base Lucci, who's already a very high benchmark for all of them, bar Drake, hybrid Drake and probably Kid, in overall stats and bar someone like transformed Urouge in resilience (which doesn't matter, cause he will get blitzed and punished constantly anyway)?

What swordbois will seemingly never get is, that G2 Luffy completely speedblitzes and low diffs Kaku and Jabra respectively, just like Lucci would beat them and just like both plainly beat Sanji and Zoro to a pulp, thus the "in manga" statement about how he has to stop Lucci, cause otherwise his nakama will be in serious danger.

In before:
Ashura obv lasts an hour and everyone has to just stand there and eat those 9 swords, even if that someone is double as fast. And Kaku's giraffe is obviously 20 times more powerful than Lucci's leopard transformation, while that Giraffe mode, in which he's able to use Amanedachi, is obviously totally stat balanced and combat fitting, far in contrast to what anybody would think at first impression and thus it did not completely changed his fighting style in the canon material (nose game is stronk) for the most part of that fight and hybrid Lucci and Luffy wouldn't be able to manuever around that newfound fighting style ( his freakin nose) whenever they want to and cheap shot his giraffe ass.
No it's simply not true that they are much more nimble and faster than Zoro.. and by extension, capable of handling Kaku's neck/nose combi.
And it's also simply not true that Luffy is Zoro's captain and that he fought the boss of the opposing organisation, who's Kaku's superior. Nah.. And let's not even talk about those fake bounties...
-> Zoro headcanon in a nutshell.

Simply tired of that one and you are one of the guys who talk about it the most, so.. Sorry for abusing this thread @sanjikun
Yeah no Zoro beats Lucci.
 
#28
The question we should ask ourselves is if Rayleigh could have defeated 100 sabaody luffy back then.
And i think the answer is obvioulsy yes;Rayleigh has the advanced Coa people are sure will be a key in Kaido's defeat and we know kaido is obviously more than 100 times stronger than preskip luffy.He also has good Coo and Coc..
Luffy has .....gears?
Rayleigh one shots 100 preskip sabaody luffys in less than 1 min lol.
 
#29
people though "whitebeard beat Ace over a 100 times" was an exaggeration .... end up being fact

I do believe Old Dark King being 100 times stronger than Luffy was in fact true as well

don't forget ... it took all of straw hats to match a PX ...

Luffy one shot one of them with lowest level of his power

I'm talking about a Luffy with Just low class Haki

add gear 2 haki
add fire Haki
add gear 3 haki
add gear 4
add FS
add snakeman
add Advance CoA

and he would still be barely in same level as him ....
 
#30
The question we should ask ourselves is if Rayleigh could have defeated 100 sabaody luffy back then.
And i think the answer is obvioulsy yes;Rayleigh has the advanced Coa people are sure will be a key in Kaido's defeat and we know kaido is obviously more than 100 times stronger than preskip luffy.He also has good Coo and Coc..
Luffy has .....gears?
Rayleigh one shots 100 preskip sabaody luffys in less than 1 min lol.
that's a bad math
really really bad math

maybe you never been in a fight ... so ... really good thing

if some one is 2 exactly times stronger than you ... and if that guy fight 2 people with your power ... he would 100% lose

you need to be much stronger than 2 time ... to be able to beat 2 people who are each half your power
 
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#31
people though "whitebeard beat Ace over a 100 times" was an exaggeration .... end up being fact

I do believe Old Dark King being 100 times stronger than Luffy was in fact true as well

don't forget ... it took all of straw hats to match a PX ...

Luffy one shot one of them with lowest level of his power

I'm talking about a Luffy with Just low class Haki

add gear 2 haki
add fire Haki
add gear 3 haki
add gear 4
add FS
add snakeman
add Advance CoA

and he would still be barely in same level as him ....
Fs luffy> old ray

Rayleigh wasnt 100x stronger
 
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