Controversial What character had Negative Development?

Yoho

Yoho

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Good day Worst Degenerates as I lay here ready to go sleep soon because the powers that be swapped me to day shift a question dawned on me

Development is crucial to a characters story but not all character development is good, what character would you say has had bad or negative development?

For me I gotta go Sanji

Look at pre skip sanji vs post skip Sanji

Pre Skip- he was chivalrous, strong and cunning and while he did have a moment of swooning for Nami or Robin it wasn't a major trait of his character pre time skip

Now lets go to post time skip

Its like Oda swapped it the swooning, the excessive heart eyes and perversion got cranked up to 10 and we rarely see the cunning sanji that we saw on Little Garden giving us the legendary Mr.Prince foreshadowing or when Sanji was 10 steps ahead ans opened the gates of justice so the strawhats could escape enies lobby

Sanji is a prime example of a character whose had negative development

What do you all think ?
 
Dettles

Dettles

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Zoro. his whole character development ended with Mihawk Training him. Pre-Timeskip Zoro was great, constantly pushing himself to get better. Now there's nothing because he can only be "Cool".
 
Hiei

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If i had to make a list it would go in order:
  1. Zoro
    • When was the last time he got development?
      • As the above post that's the last time he got a speck of it
      • Prior that was all the way back when he got beat by Mihawk
    • Oda prioritising his crappy "Aura" moments
      • Miss the days when Aura was simply referred as badass panels, or i think im getting old.
  2. Oda
    • This mofo gives random side characters development over the SH's
    • Shit writer
      • Can't write a proper good story to save his life since Pre-TS
      • Forgets his own lore after years of staying on top of things
    • Can't kill a character to give someone development
    • The days of GOda are long extinct
  3. Other Straw Hats that isn't fucking Luffy, instead some random side character NPC standing in the back gets it.
 
Devilbat

Devilbat

Just chill and let chill
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Yoho said:
Good day Worst Degenerates as I lay here ready to go sleep soon because the powers that be swapped me to day shift a question dawned on me

Development is crucial to a characters story but not all character development is good, what character would you say has had bad or negative development?

For me I gotta go Sanji

Look at pre skip sanji vs post skip Sanji

Pre Skip- he was chivalrous, strong and cunning and while he did have a moment of swooning for Nami or Robin it wasn't a major trait of his character pre time skip

Now lets go to post time skip

Its like Oda swapped it the swooning, the excessive heart eyes and perversion got cranked up to 10 and we rarely see the cunning sanji that we saw on Little Garden giving us the legendary Mr.Prince foreshadowing or when Sanji was 10 steps ahead ans opened the gates of justice so the strawhats could escape enies lobby

Sanji is a prime example of a character whose had negative development

What do you all think ?
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I'd argue that Sanji got both, because his creepy behaviour in FI was definitely degradation, yet he had some development as well (going from "let me sacrifice myself for my crew" to "let me open up and actually ask for help").
But yeah, I still didn't get a single Mr.Prince moment from him, or sabotaging the mechanisms like he did in EL.

Overall all SHP got flanderized a lot. Since Oda focuses too much on new characters, and has less time for the crew, he ends up highlighting 1-2 traits to keep characters recognizable. Like, Nami is weak and greedy, Sanji is a simp/perv who constantly bickers with Zoro, Zoro is just cool, Chopper can't take a compliment ... At least on Elbaph we get fewer side characters (still shuddering at 9 scabbards when we could've had 4 easily), and fewer enemies, so we do get a little more focus on SHP... But then again, there's children kidnapping plot, Harold & Rocks flashback, Loki's storyline, all of it amounts to ungodly number of chapters.

I personally heavily dislike the Nika form the most, yeah, Luffy was known to be kind of an airhead at times, but this constant "hahahaha" mode is annoying.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Yoho said:
Good day Worst Degenerates as I lay here ready to go sleep soon because the powers that be swapped me to day shift a question dawned on me

Development is crucial to a characters story but not all character development is good, what character would you say has had bad or negative development?

For me I gotta go Sanji

Look at pre skip sanji vs post skip Sanji

Pre Skip- he was chivalrous, strong and cunning and while he did have a moment of swooning for Nami or Robin it wasn't a major trait of his character pre time skip

Now lets go to post time skip

Its like Oda swapped it the swooning, the excessive heart eyes and perversion got cranked up to 10 and we rarely see the cunning sanji that we saw on Little Garden giving us the legendary Mr.Prince foreshadowing or when Sanji was 10 steps ahead ans opened the gates of justice so the strawhats could escape enies lobby

Sanji is a prime example of a character whose had negative development

What do you all think ?
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"Negative development" (if you want to call it that) only has a narrative sense, it's not meant to describe if you like or don't like a development.

It's the opposite. Sanji actually had a POSITIVE development. What you describe is not the development of Sanji, but the portrayal. Sanji is still chivalrous, strong, cunning. This never changed, you just see another side of him at the moment.

Sanji's opened much more, he learned to accept himself and his past, he learned how to rely on his friends more. While his "swooning" as you say was amplified for joke purpose, Sanji became more empathetic and more emotionnal. he is still the old Sanji in what you described, Oda simply chose to portray a differnt aspect of him now. Since, spoiler, Sanji is one of the most complex strawhats narratively.


One Piece is a fundamentally positive and romantically hopefull story.

This means that there are no "negative devlopment" (like a good character starting to go bad ethically).

You can check, you won't see a good character going to the "ethically bad" side. On the other hand, you will see the globality of character either staying in their ethical position (usually antagonist) or go toward the light and a more ethical and positive side.

Luffy makes the world better. It's the entire purpose of the story. It's a message of pure and absolute hope.

This is one of the reason why One Piece feels so positive and why character are so loved. And this is why, when a character is breaking this pattern, there is ALWAYS a deeper meaning that we don't see.
 
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