Powers & Abilities What character would Sanji have to fight and defeat in order to earn his respect back?

[Heart pirate]

Pre power up once Luffy figured out the trick he destroys King. But we don’t even know if Sanji can win once/if he figures it out. Luffy figured out FS and Zoro figured out King so it’s safe to assume they will. We can’t assume that for Sanji but even if he does we don’t know that he has the power to win.

Sanji smarter than Zoro, not much logic to me entertaining Luffy/Zoro figuring out what sanji can’t.

He also faster then zoro, an more mobile then luffy. King has to use flame off mode more actively. in which case, Giving Sanji more opportunity to figure it out either way.

Pre PU he might lack the AP. But sanji damage output always been below luffy/zoro

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Luffy isn't doing shit to king until he gets acoc and seeing how ass overkong gun was he probably needs g5

Wats ass to Kaido, can kill the likes of king

 

[DonWick]

Sanji has proven to be able to put down Accient zoan durability down. Once he knows the trick of King he has the fire power

I’m fine with you believing that it’s not a farfetched take. But King can dodge Sanjis faster sure but King has options. Queen didn’t.

Either way though you have to admit Sanji vs King would have been much better for Sanji that fighting Queen. The fight would have been more interesting and you would place Sanji higher if he beat Kkng.

 

[Hedfi]

Sanji is never going to beat a character of that caliber. That’s the problem. I’m simply asking for Sanji to fight someone on his level or slightly stronger. Queen was inferior to Sanji from the start Sanji was fighting himself. Queen and King aren’t close saying equal is crazy.

But at least your willing to admit Queen is a far slow clown.

They are equal, with like at most a 1% advantage to King.

There's nothing in the manga implying otherwise. On the contrary we have plenty for the opposite. King and Queen were always portrayed as being of equal status and on a league of their own compared to the other beast pirates, even Jack.

And Yes, Queen is a slow clown. His reaction and Attack Speed isn't though.

 

[DonWick]

Sanji smarter than Zoro, not much logic to me entertaining Luffy/Zoro figuring out what sanji can’t.

He also faster then zoro, an more mobile then luffy. King has to use flame off mode more actively. in which case, Giving Sanji more opportunity to figure it out either way.

Pre PU he might lack the AP. But sanji damage output always been below luffy/zoro

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Wats ass to Kaido, can kill the likes of king

Even if you think this. If King fought Sanji you have to agree that it would have been a better fight and you would have seen Sanji as stronger than you did after beating Queen.

Ignore @HA001 OF THE RAIN he wants to have a Zoro Luffy debate in a thread not pertaining to Luffy or Zoro.

 

[HA001]

Sanji smarter than Zoro, not much logic to me entertaining Luffy/Zoro figuring out what sanji can’t.

He also faster then zoro, an more mobile then luffy. King has to use flame off mode more actively. in which case, Giving Sanji more opportunity to figure it out either way.

Pre PU he might lack the AP. But sanji damage output always been below luffy/zoro

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Wats ass to Kaido, can kill the likes of king

No it doesn't. Kaido can't take dragon damnation either

 

[soheilhazrat]

I’m fine with you believing that it’s not a farfetched take. But King can dodge Sanjis faster sure but King has options. Queen didn’t.

Either way though you have to admit Sanji vs King would have been much better for Sanji that fighting Queen. The fight would have been more interesting and you would place Sanji higher if he beat Kkng.

I'd put sanji higher but not THAT higher tbh. I'd have him over marco/king/kata trio but now i have him on par with them

 

[grey matter]

Someone like Jyabura or Mr2. Those guys were legit fighters.

Gag itself isn't the problem. Mr2 is a gag character for example, but as a fighter he was still legit.
Problem is that Queen is a bad fighter skill vise who kinda made up for it with raw power, tankiness and tech. Most of the fight was Queen getting beaten up even pre exoskeleton/IJ, just that back then Sanji lacked the firepower to put him down.

As for who he should fight in the future. End game obviously an admiral or Gorosei, but before that... IDK who is the other guy that is obviously set up for sanji. From BBP, Muscle guy or Pizzaro or Lafitte would be my guesses, all of them look like legit fighters unlike Queen, so sanji fans can rejoice lol.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Someone like Jyabura or Mr2. Those guys were legit fighters.

Gag itself isn't the problem. Mr2 is a gag character for example, but as a fighter he was still legit.
Problem is that Queen is a bad fighter skill vise who kinda made up for it with raw power, tankiness and tech. Most of the fight was Queen getting beaten up even pre exoskeleton/IJ, just that back then Sanji lacked the firepower to put him down.

As for who he should fight in the future. End game obviously an admiral or Gorosei, but before that... IDK who is the other guy that is obviously set up for sanji. From BBP, Muscle guy or Pizzaro or Lafitte would be my guesses, all of them look like legit fighters unlike Queen, so sanji fans can rejoice lol.

Laffite it is. No anti feats and seems pretty close to teach

 

[DonWick]

They are equal, with like at most a 1% advantage to King.

There's nothing in the manga implying otherwise. On the contrary we have plenty for the opposite. King and Queen were always portrayed as being of equal status and on a league of their own compared to the other beast pirates, even Jack.

And Yes, Queen is a slow clown. His reaction and Attack Speed isn't though.

We aren’t going to agree on the difference and King and Queen that’s fine. I don’t like Queen or mechs so maybe I’m bias. But let me ask you this:

As a Sanji fan do you think he should have had a better opponent in Wano? It doesn’t have to be King.

 

[Heart pirate]

I’m fine with you believing that it’s not a farfetched take. But King can dodge Sanjis faster sure but King has options. Queen didn’t.

Either way though you have to admit Sanji vs King would have been much better for Sanji that fighting Queen. The fight would have been more interesting and you would place Sanji higher if he beat Kkng.

King getting blizted in 2-1 situations. His ability to dodge not great, an damn sure not enough for Post PU sanji. He’d get blitzed, the only question if he can’t survive sanji new attacks.

Ur right that sanji vs king> Queen. But that only because Queen restricted to not using germa tech until the last min of the fight

No it doesn't. Kaido can't take dragon damnation either

Shut up, u an about 5 users. are stupid enough to think King remotely comparable to Kaido. U can one shot Ling with attacks that don’t even work on Kaido

http://imgur.com/a/mRnjt9W

 

[DonWick]

I'd put sanji higher but not THAT higher tbh. I'd have him over marco/king/kata trio but now i have him on par with them

That’s saying something though because at this point in the story you need to be above them strength wise to be a legit threat.

 

[Hedfi]

We aren’t going to agree on the difference and King and Queen that’s fine. I don’t like Queen or mechs so maybe I’m bias. But let me ask you this:

As a Sanji fan do you think he should have had a better opponent in Wano? It doesn’t have to be King.

Queen was alright, but Sanji's fight would have been better if Queen was more like King type of fighter.

A speedy and aerial fight is a dream fight for Sanji.

I had the same problem with Zoro's fight against King. It was like Sanji's fight while in reverse. It was mostly Queen and Zoro reacting and counteracting to Sanji and King's movements and attack pattern which made them underwhelming in many sections of the fight.

 

[Peroroncino]

Xebec

 

[Heart pirate]

Even if you think this. If King fought Sanji you have to agree that it would have been a better fight and you would have seen Sanji as stronger than you did after beating Queen.

Ignore @HA001 OF THE RAIN he wants to have a Zoro Luffy debate in a thread not pertaining to Luffy or Zoro.

True, king a more competent combatant. That doesn’t lessen sanji tho. Against king he’d do similar to his peers. Struggle against lunarina hax pre PUs, an having an answer post. Question mostly about if sanji can put King down imo. After he’s speed buff, he definitely a solid match for the guy.

 

[soheilhazrat]

That’s saying something though because at this point in the story you need to be above them strength wise to be a legit threat.

Tbh for third strongest who doeant really care about strength all that much being on par with others second strongest is pretty damn impressive even in this point of the story

 

[BillSlipton]

Pre time skip I was a Sanji fan but lost time skip I started to hate him because of Odas treatment of him. However, recently I’ve started to warm up to him a bit more because of his new found upgrades.

I love that he got rid of the raid suit because that was ridiculous.
I love the exoskeleton and IJ is a great powerup for Sanji.

I still think that he needs some haki boosts but that’s irrelevant to this post.

The problem is I can’t easily guage Sanji after beating Queen for the following reasons:

1. Queen was flat out trash. Lasers never hurt anyone competent in One Piece, the poison was fodder control only, and he was an idiot.

2. He was a bad matchup for Sanji because he was a slow big target with no CoO feats.

If you agree with me, who could Sanji beat to garner your respect?

He would need to beat a fast and powerful character that isn’t an idiot in my opinion. I have a few options feel free to add more:

1. King
2. Lucci
3. Katakuri
4. Doflamingo
5. Marco

Those are the weakest characters that would earn my respect. Anyone weaker than them are irrelevant.

You're a fucking clown. Sanji gives these guys the same treatment as queen

No respect for queen but you love the featless king. At least queen knocked out a yonko and put her in chains.

All this hate and downplay on a character that doesn't need more hype. He deflected a raging kings, slashing attacks while off guard. It didn't leave a scratch on his ass cheek. (But yall believe kings on another level😂😑)

Invisibility is a broken ass ability. Something that shiryu (zoros future opponent) will have. It's just as hax as having lunarian durability. That's the entire point of it. Every top commander has some hax.

The durability and endurance queen showcased is insane. King could only dream that his speed mode had queens durability.

I'm not gonna acknowledge the laser beam thing. We all know zoro struggled with those beams and Tempura udon... both are lightspeed attacks...

Katakuri and doffy gets ragdolled easier than queen was. Both could easily be one shot with a beef burst. 0 durability and endurance compared to the current fighters the m3 are facing.

The only one here that can endure a sanji barrage is marco. And even he will be In bad shape.

This queen downplay needs to stop. The man is a force to be reckoned with. People only downplay him cause he's goofy like kaku... but he's sanjis opponent.

 

[DonWick]

Queen was alright, but Sanji's fight would have been better if Queen was more like King type of fighter.

A speedy and aerial fight is a dream fight for Sanji.

I had the same problem with Zoro's fight against King. It was like Sanji's fight while in reverse. It was mostly Queen and Zoro reacting and counteracting to Sanji and King's movements and attack pattern which made them underwhelming in many sections of the fight.

The difference in King & Zoro is King had the advantage he can fly and is faster. Sanji had the advantage in his fight.

Queen could be the exact same character with a better fighting style and we wouldn’t be having this debate. It seems like we agree to a certain extent though.

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Tbh for third strongest who doeant really care about strength all that much being on par with others second strongest is pretty damn impressive even in this point of the story

That’s not how the fanbase sees it though. They expect Sanji to be able to fight an admiral. If that’s the case he needs to fight someone that can prepare him for that stage.

 

[Peroroncino]

No Who, but How

Sanji must Win his Fights Mano a Mano
Both going for their Best Shot

Like Luffy vs Katakuri or Luffy vs Kaidou or Luffy vs Doflamingo or Zoro vs King or Zoro vs Mr. 1 or Zoro vs Zombie Ryuma ... etc
A True Honorable Duel

But Sanji?
Against Kuroobi, He makes him leave Water to catch his Breath & then Lands his Finisher Move
Against Satori, Luffy holds him in place, so that Sanji can Land Finishing Blow
Against Jabra, Sanji lets Jabra Attack him so that He successfully lands a Critical Strike
Against Wadatsumi, Sanji simply landed Finishing Attack
Against Queen, Sanji waited till Queen was distracted with that Geisha to Land his Combo

Only Time Sanji truly had a Legit Mano a Mano Win was against Mr. 2
That was like 900 Chapters ago so.....

the fight against jabra was fair though.
All the others yeah sanji cheated, maybe not with kurobi

 

[DonWick]

You're a fucking clown. Sanji gives these guys the same treatment as queen

No respect for queen but you love the featless king. At least queen knocked out a yonko and put her in chains.

All this hate and downplay on a character that doesn't need more hype. He deflected a raging kings, slashing attacks while off guard. It didn't leave a scratch on his ass cheek. (But yall believe kings on another level😂😑)

Invisibility is a broken ass ability. Something that shiryu (zoros future opponent) will have. It's just as hax as having lunarian durability. That's the entire point of it. Every top commander has some hax.

The durability and endurance queen showcased is insane. King could only dream that his speed mode had queens durability.

I'm not gonna acknowledge the laser beam thing. We all know zoro struggled with those beams and Tempura udon... both are lightspeed attacks...

Katakuri and doffy gets ragdolled easier than queen was. Both could easily be one shot with a beef burst. 0 durability and endurance compared to the current fighters the m3 are facing.

The only one here that can endure a sanji barrage is marco. And even he will be In bad shape.

This queen downplay needs to stop. The man is a force to be reckoned with. People only downplay him cause he's goofy like kaku... but he's sanjis opponent.

I’m going to address you seriously despite knowing you’re a troll.

1. I’m not a King fan I don’t know why you think I am.

2. Regardless of my thoughts on Queen, this isn’t Sanji downplay and I know that’s why you think I hate Queen (for a Sanji downplay agenda that I don’t have). I listed multiple other characters that aren’t King that could be Sanjis opponents.

So a serious question for you is was Queen your ideal Sanji opponent? Or would you have preferred him fight someone with a more suitable fighting style to oppose him?

 

[soheilhazrat]

The difference in King & Zoro is King had the advantage he can fly and is faster. Sanji had the advantage in his fight.

Queen could be the exact same character with a better fighting style and we wouldn’t be having this debate. It seems like we agree to a certain extent though.

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That’s not how the fanbase sees it though. They expect Sanji to be able to fight an admiral. If that’s the case he needs to fight someone that can prepare him for that stage.

Eh oda really jumps on powerscaling without caring much no one thought sanji could be on par with marco EoW