Hmm changed my mind. Last time I wanted Queen to have a weapons type paramecia but now I think it's better to keep the whole Zoan thing for the Beast Pirates
Instead, Queen should have a Virus Zoan. He's basically a virus. Can reform from attacks and if he gets split apart each puiece grows into another Queen/clone. Imagine an army of 'dancing Queens'. Would justify him being 'the strongest on land' in Kaidou's crew.
Instead, Queen should have a Virus Zoan. He's basically a virus. Can reform from attacks and if he gets split apart each puiece grows into another Queen/clone. Imagine an army of 'dancing Queens'. Would justify him being 'the strongest on land' in Kaidou's crew.
King's and Jack's fruits are right, but I don't like Queen's. "Sara sara no mi: model beelzebufo" would fit him better, in my opinion.
Nah, the phoenix is easily one of the mythical creatures that has lost more of its uniqueness through the contact between the West and the East, to the point of many modern works giving the Chinese fenghuang attributes from the Greek phoenix because of the popularity and globalization of this animal. But Marco still has a good number of characteristics that make him heavily based on fenghuang/hou-ou, such as his tail, his rooster/pheasant portrayal, his loyal and warmth personality and even his "immortality", which is also symbolic in fenghuang as addressed by Jean Chevalier.
So no, not anything is possible. It is clear that Oda is playing local with Mythical Zoans and we will never see something as Western as a minotaur or a manticore.
Nah, the phoenix is easily one of the mythical creatures that has lost more of its uniqueness through the contact between the West and the East, to the point of many modern works giving the Chinese fenghuang attributes from the Greek phoenix because of the popularity and globalization of this animal. But Marco still has a good number of characteristics that make him heavily based on fenghuang/hou-ou, such as his tail, his rooster/pheasant portrayal, his loyal and warmth personality and even his "immortality", which is also symbolic in fenghuang as addressed by Jean Chevalier.
So no, not anything is possible. It is clear that Oda is playing local with Mythical Zoans and we will never see something as Western as a minotaur or a manticore.
I know how it's called and I know what a Greek phoenix is. But Marco's fruit has properties that can't be attributed to the Greek phoenix. And, as I said, the phoenix is probably the most globalized creature and therefore the fenghuang/hou-ou has lost many of its uniqueness by adopting certain traits of the Greek version. This is why Marco's fruit is actually the worst counter-example possible to the argument of mythical zoans being Eastern creatures, because the Eastern phoenix has been changed in order to "please" modern audiences to the point of assimilating some characteristics of its Western "counterpart". The best known example of this may be the pokémon Ho-oh, who albeit keeping traits of its namesake from real world mythology has adopted properties of the Greek phoenix such as the solid igneous nature (Fire type) and the power of being reborn from its own ash (ability Regenerator).
At this point, the fenghuang is basically treated by the world as "the Chinese phoenix", same for the hou-ou in Japan, therefore making sense for Oda to call Marco's fruit like that. Modern world has phagocytized the differences between them and has made them comparable, maybe because, although not so directly, the Eastern animal contains certain attributes of fire and immortality too. This has also happened to the dragon, albeit in a lesser degree, hence why some people confuse the Eastern and Western dragons in threads about Kaido's fruit (even though Kaido is full of the symbolic traits of the Eastern one and virtually none of the Western).
Again, as I said, Marco can't be used as a case for non-Eastern mythical zoan. Not only for what I just explained, but also because he actually has obvious traits from the Eastern phoenix. His tail, his comparison to a rooster/pheasant, his colors ("phoenix" etymology contains the word "red" because it is a vermilion bird while Marco's combination of blue, yellow, violet... fit a fenghuang more), his personality, even the fire and immortality properties. Basically it could be argued that Marco is more of a fenghuang than a Greek phoenix. So it makes no sense to use him to support hypothetical fruits such as the manticore, the chimera, Cerberus, an angel and so on, which have zero relation with Japan (and around) and haven't been assimilated by Eastern counterparts.
At this point, the fenghuang is basically treated by the world as "the Chinese phoenix", same for the hou-ou in Japan, therefore making sense for Oda to call Marco's fruit like that. Modern world has phagocytized the differences between them and has made them comparable, maybe because, although not so directly, the Eastern animal contains certain attributes of fire and immortality too. This has also happened to the dragon, albeit in a lesser degree, hence why some people confuse the Eastern and Western dragons in threads about Kaido's fruit (even though Kaido is full of the symbolic traits of the Eastern one and virtually none of the Western).
Again, as I said, Marco can't be used as a case for non-Eastern mythical zoan. Not only for what I just explained, but also because he actually has obvious traits from the Eastern phoenix. His tail, his comparison to a rooster/pheasant, his colors ("phoenix" etymology contains the word "red" because it is a vermilion bird while Marco's combination of blue, yellow, violet... fit a fenghuang more), his personality, even the fire and immortality properties. Basically it could be argued that Marco is more of a fenghuang than a Greek phoenix. So it makes no sense to use him to support hypothetical fruits such as the manticore, the chimera, Cerberus, an angel and so on, which have zero relation with Japan (and around) and haven't been assimilated by Eastern counterparts.
You understand that I don't need to know Oda to notice fenghuang traits in Marco and to compare his work to that of the overall modern treatment of phoenixes in Japan, right?
Using Marco as a counter-example to the "only Eastern monsters" argument is absurd once you analyze his powers, design and context and how Oda treats mythical creatures from the West (which makes sense considering the core differences between how monsters are conceived in both "sides" of the world).
I'm simply taking the information we have as a whole so I don't waste my time expecting a devil fruit power that will never come. But if your only argument is "duh, his fruit is called Phoenix" when I obviously know enough information for that to sound simplistic and painfully obvious, then I guess we have nothing to discuss here.
To summarize: it is called "phoenix" since the fenghuang isn't considered an unique creature anymore but a "Chinese phoenix" because of a modern understanding of the bird that has come to merge both of them, phenomenon noticeable in many Japanese pop works.
Using Marco as a counter-example to the "only Eastern monsters" argument is absurd once you analyze his powers, design and context and how Oda treats mythical creatures from the West (which makes sense considering the core differences between how monsters are conceived in both "sides" of the world).
I'm simply taking the information we have as a whole so I don't waste my time expecting a devil fruit power that will never come. But if your only argument is "duh, his fruit is called Phoenix" when I obviously know enough information for that to sound simplistic and painfully obvious, then I guess we have nothing to discuss here.
To summarize: it is called "phoenix" since the fenghuang isn't considered an unique creature anymore but a "Chinese phoenix" because of a modern understanding of the bird that has come to merge both of them, phenomenon noticeable in many Japanese pop works.
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