Wouldn't that technically mean he is a Yonkoi level. This statement was coming from an admiral‚ that his powers rivals that of a younger ( not sure about this part ) Whitebeard. Wouldn't that also make the shichibukai at their strongest right before they got revoked...after all having Mihawk and Weevil ( based on hype ) would make them stronger than having Mihawk plus commander levels like Doflamingo‚ Crocodile‚ Jinbei...
General & Others What do you think of Kizaru saying that Weevil's power rivals Whitebeard
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OK, but that can stay true for an arc, if now Luffy in the end manages to overpower Kaido in a 1 vs 1 (and it seems this is what Oda is preparing) Kaido, as you said, was weakened by all the previous battles (even if it is not so apparent lol) that wouldn't still mean he cleanly beat Kaido in a 1 vs 1 still he will do something like beat Kaido 1 vs 1 in the next arc and for that he needs a character on the level of Kaido and after that something even stronger. Anyway Luffy on the span of one arc, and few weeks at best, jumped from being one shotted by base Kaido while in G4 to be a legit contender with advanced coa and coc, if he goes on with this peace he will soon need enemies stronger than Kaido.
Its an empty hype. We have no idea how WB was in his youth.
And regarding the 1vs1 thing, Luffy already has not beaten Kaido 1vs1, regardless what happens from here. Kaido was hurt by scabbards, and then by the rooftop gang. Even if he was reduced only by 10-20%, its still significant.
Luffys fights rarely are clean 1vs1 anyway where two fresh guys go at it from beginning to end, its a story in the end after all, not a cage fight.
Crocodile Luffy lost twice, and only ultimately won, Enel had Wyper give him a heart attack, Enies Lobby Luffy went through thousands and Blueno before fighting Lucci, Moria was all over the place, Hody was underwater, Caesar had interventions and he lost, Doflamingo had Law and Gamma Knife....
And regarding the 1vs1 thing, Luffy already has not beaten Kaido 1vs1, regardless what happens from here. Kaido was hurt by scabbards, and then by the rooftop gang. Even if he was reduced only by 10-20%, its still significant.
Luffys fights rarely are clean 1vs1 anyway where two fresh guys go at it from beginning to end, its a story in the end after all, not a cage fight.
Crocodile Luffy lost twice, and only ultimately won, Enel had Wyper give him a heart attack, Enies Lobby Luffy went through thousands and Blueno before fighting Lucci, Moria was all over the place, Hody was underwater, Caesar had interventions and he lost, Doflamingo had Law and Gamma Knife....
This is all true. I think Oda shouldn't let Luffy beat Kaido 1 on 1‚ since that would make the next arc unbelievable when Luffy struggles vs the non Yonkoi villain. However yes the ' Kaido already got hurt by many people before ' would make a good excuse ‚ though I prefer a team win‚ otherwise next arc I would ask ' why is Luffy struggling against this fodder non Shanks Or Blackbeard opponent '
Edit: I think it might be more related to his physical make up. Weevil is gigantic and looks hella powerful. Imagine him swinging around that bisento with that kinda power. There aren't many high tiers that can handle that for sure.
Perhaps he even has some kind of DF that enhances this fighting style even further.
WB was still a physical anomaly afterall. Titans like WB, Kaido and BM can clear the whole high tier faction just with the help of CoA/advCoA lvl1 and their stats. That one armed giant-blocking power afterall.
Young WB in the sense of: Before he got his DF, similiar to Rocks Kaido- would be my guess.
I'm disagreeing with you on this one, cause I don't really see Kaido being somehow visibly limited in performance by all that.
Scabbards's damage didn't matter when the real rooftop fight began, Supernova damage didn't matter when he switched into Hybrid form (like no difference at all).
After Ashura and Luffy's advCoC attacks he only looked a little bruised (which is ridiculous), but now looks clean af again while fighting Yamato. There's really no end to this guy, seriously.
Our understanding and the normal in verse understanding of acculumative damage simply doesn't apply to this guy in the same way (more comparable to Marco on this). It even looks like damage below life threatening levels does not even really have a chance to accumulate, cause it's just regenerated shortly afterwards.
Could he get brought down with that stuff that took away that 20% after continous hits? Yes, perhaps. In that moment it was effective, but that 20% was all they took away from him at that moment and now he certainly looks like it never happened.
I think you'd have a point if those Ch. 1010 attacks he ate would atleast have had a visibly lasting effect, but that's just not the case. He looks better than anyone else right now, while even the Ashura wound completely healed up/already is just a scar.
In "MF WB"- terms it would be as if the Squardo stab is fully healed up again, while his body and his face have no bruises anymore.
What makes me even more doubtful is, that we are most likely still one level below the "Arc's final"- stuff.
There's still awakening coming for BM and Kaido and I think that it will make the damage he recieved up until now, even more insignificant.
But we can respectfully agree to disagree. Knowing your posts, we will most likely come to a similiar conclusion EoW anyway.
I see where you are coming from, but it really doesn't add up. That's "A>B>C "-logic at its finest.
Luffy can now win against Kaido and still could potentially lose to every admiral there is. Match ups still matter.
Would he be heavily resistant against Akainu's magma attacks post Wano, just like Kaido in his strongest form most likely is?- No. Akainu still can one shot kill him, when he gets the chance to.
Can he take Kizaru's attacks continously after the Kaido fight, just like Kaido probably can?- No.
Does he get a free pass against island wide and climate changing awakening techs, just because his punches got more powerful via advCoC?- No.
He will be one hell of a close quarter fighter post Wano, that's for sure, but there's still room to grow. One big test alone will be those uber powerful logia awakenings. Prolly no coincidence why the admirals are endgame opponents:
They aren't necessarily beating the yonks 1on1, but as opponents for the protagonists, they are much more annyoing imo.
Perhaps he even has some kind of DF that enhances this fighting style even further.
WB was still a physical anomaly afterall. Titans like WB, Kaido and BM can clear the whole high tier faction just with the help of CoA/advCoA lvl1 and their stats. That one armed giant-blocking power afterall.
Young WB in the sense of: Before he got his DF, similiar to Rocks Kaido- would be my guess.
I'm disagreeing with you on this one, cause I don't really see Kaido being somehow visibly limited in performance by all that.
Scabbards's damage didn't matter when the real rooftop fight began, Supernova damage didn't matter when he switched into Hybrid form (like no difference at all).
After Ashura and Luffy's advCoC attacks he only looked a little bruised (which is ridiculous), but now looks clean af again while fighting Yamato. There's really no end to this guy, seriously.
Our understanding and the normal in verse understanding of acculumative damage simply doesn't apply to this guy in the same way (more comparable to Marco on this). It even looks like damage below life threatening levels does not even really have a chance to accumulate, cause it's just regenerated shortly afterwards.
Could he get brought down with that stuff that took away that 20% after continous hits? Yes, perhaps. In that moment it was effective, but that 20% was all they took away from him at that moment and now he certainly looks like it never happened.
I think you'd have a point if those Ch. 1010 attacks he ate would atleast have had a visibly lasting effect, but that's just not the case. He looks better than anyone else right now, while even the Ashura wound completely healed up/already is just a scar.
In "MF WB"- terms it would be as if the Squardo stab is fully healed up again, while his body and his face have no bruises anymore.
What makes me even more doubtful is, that we are most likely still one level below the "Arc's final"- stuff.
There's still awakening coming for BM and Kaido and I think that it will make the damage he recieved up until now, even more insignificant.
But we can respectfully agree to disagree. Knowing your posts, we will most likely come to a similiar conclusion EoW anyway.
I see where you are coming from, but it really doesn't add up. That's "A>B>C "-logic at its finest.
Luffy can now win against Kaido and still could potentially lose to every admiral there is. Match ups still matter.
Would he be heavily resistant against Akainu's magma attacks post Wano, just like Kaido in his strongest form most likely is?- No. Akainu still can one shot kill him, when he gets the chance to.
Can he take Kizaru's attacks continously after the Kaido fight, just like Kaido probably can?- No.
Does he get a free pass against island wide and climate changing awakening techs, just because his punches got more powerful via advCoC?- No.
He will be one hell of a close quarter fighter post Wano, that's for sure, but there's still room to grow. One big test alone will be those uber powerful logia awakenings. Prolly no coincidence why the admirals are endgame opponents:
They aren't necessarily beating the yonks 1on1, but as opponents for the protagonists, they are much more annyoing imo.
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