Controversial What if Akainu had gone to Wano instead of Greenbull?
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Akainu would not have charged in solo at the alliance, he would’ve done something more akin to a military blockade to block off the Pirates’ escape rather than charging into the country headfirst and risking killing Wano civilians. Akainu is a purebred Marine with formal training whereas Ryokugyu is a draftee with presumably no military training. Akainu also believes in absolute justice but he does not believe in killing civilians unnecessarily.
So Akainu definitely wouldn’t have tried to engage the alliance solo but rather would’ve tried to engage them as the head of a naval fleet after they had left the country rather than risking civilian damage.
So the Red Hair Pirates + Wano + the alliance would not have been able to gang up on just one man, but would’ve had to engage an entire Navy Fleet lead by an Admiral. And Akainu would not call an entire Fleet to retreat just because the Red Hairs showed up lol, Akainu would not have ended the Marineford War like Sengoku did.
So does Akainu destroy the alliance, Shanks, and annex Wano?
So Akainu definitely wouldn’t have tried to engage the alliance solo but rather would’ve tried to engage them as the head of a naval fleet after they had left the country rather than risking civilian damage.
So the Red Hair Pirates + Wano + the alliance would not have been able to gang up on just one man, but would’ve had to engage an entire Navy Fleet lead by an Admiral. And Akainu would not call an entire Fleet to retreat just because the Red Hairs showed up lol, Akainu would not have ended the Marineford War like Sengoku did.
So does Akainu destroy the alliance, Shanks, and annex Wano?
Yes.
"No way Shanks can kill Akainu" while Shanks' CoC already made Akainu have cold sweat just by parrying and already made an Admiral retreat without even need to fight himself?
...and yeah Akainu better hope for the best to match a reality-warper boi who ignore the damage from Kaidou's island-sized Boro Breath and cancmake island-sized CoC barrier completely protecting his body and crushing Akainu's magma, i cant even imagine Akainu winning except with asspulling some CoC or myth zoan magma colossus, and even that doesnt allow him to beat a reality warper.
...and yeah Akainu better hope for the best to match a reality-warper boi who ignore the damage from Kaidou's island-sized Boro Breath and cancmake island-sized CoC barrier completely protecting his body and crushing Akainu's magma, i cant even imagine Akainu winning except with asspulling some CoC or myth zoan magma colossus, and even that doesnt allow him to beat a reality warper.
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Even Zoro scared kaido and Bigmam on rooftop pre 1010. Should I consider Zoro above them?. Its your logic.
Lmao gear 5 still has weakness to Slashes and Temperature. And akainu I'd the fuckin temperature. Luffy had to remove his hand becuz kaido was too hot. Luffy can't handle tempreture i repeat luffy can't handle temparature. Its actually luffy awakening which is asspull not akainu.
Also we are already comparing what luffy has at best to offer to an akainu we saw last time fought at marineford. We don't even know what his ultimate is. To beat akainu luffy gotta to adcoc+ryou+awakening at the same time. Anything below that just get murdered.
Reality wrapper realy doesn't does damage. Kmluffy went inside kaido came out of his eyes, Played with him as. A rope. But they did zero damage to kaido. His punches did damage which had nothing to do with reality wrapping. Even if the gaint luffy stepped on Kaido it wouldn't have done shit to kaido.
Also it's confirmed Akainu has the highest offensive power. No way luffy getting out of this Without an asspull move by oda.
Luffy is strong but akainu is just bad match for luffy due to the temperature factor. And countering boro breath at this point doesn't mean much at all. Zoro did it casually , Marco did it.
Lmao gear 5 still has weakness to Slashes and Temperature. And akainu I'd the fuckin temperature. Luffy had to remove his hand becuz kaido was too hot. Luffy can't handle tempreture i repeat luffy can't handle temparature. Its actually luffy awakening which is asspull not akainu.
Also we are already comparing what luffy has at best to offer to an akainu we saw last time fought at marineford. We don't even know what his ultimate is. To beat akainu luffy gotta to adcoc+ryou+awakening at the same time. Anything below that just get murdered.
Reality wrapper realy doesn't does damage. Kmluffy went inside kaido came out of his eyes, Played with him as. A rope. But they did zero damage to kaido. His punches did damage which had nothing to do with reality wrapping. Even if the gaint luffy stepped on Kaido it wouldn't have done shit to kaido.
Also it's confirmed Akainu has the highest offensive power. No way luffy getting out of this Without an asspull move by oda.
Luffy is strong but akainu is just bad match for luffy due to the temperature factor. And countering boro breath at this point doesn't mean much at all. Zoro did it casually , Marco did it.
Zoro attacked them with Hiryu Kaen, while Shanks scared Akainu without even attack once.
Zoro learnt the tech to cut fire, Marco parried a small Boro Breath while Luffy directly ignored the damage from significantly bigger Boro Breath, completely different.
Luffy said the slashes hurt, and 2 panels later continue fighting and smiling. Luffy was blasted by Boro Breath, and then completely ignore the damage. Luffy fought playfully and Kaidou confirmed it, Luffy did one serious attack and Kaidou was done. No way Akainu can match Luffy without Oda intentionally wanting to narratively humiliate Luffy and without Akainu getting an asspull here. Luffy can fight however he wants, he turns his imagination into reality, nothing Akainu does will make it believable for Luffy to lose.
Zoro learnt the tech to cut fire, Marco parried a small Boro Breath while Luffy directly ignored the damage from significantly bigger Boro Breath, completely different.
Luffy said the slashes hurt, and 2 panels later continue fighting and smiling. Luffy was blasted by Boro Breath, and then completely ignore the damage. Luffy fought playfully and Kaidou confirmed it, Luffy did one serious attack and Kaidou was done. No way Akainu can match Luffy without Oda intentionally wanting to narratively humiliate Luffy and without Akainu getting an asspull here. Luffy can fight however he wants, he turns his imagination into reality, nothing Akainu does will make it believable for Luffy to lose.
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I wouldn't call that simple coc blast. Even Jimbei commented on it that that haki was something else.
Luffy had to get an asspull awakening to do that. Zoro himself saved gear 4 luffy from boro breath.
Because he's a fuckin clown. He took damage out of it. Or else he wouldn't have even bothered day it out loud.
And lmao you just ignored my whole temperature argument and decided speak some reality bending magic.
That's what you call asspull. Rubber has no buisness being able to resist That sort of temperature.
Luffy went all out , not even once he was playing around. You call someone playing around when fight is like Pre time skip Zoro vs Mihawk. Where mihawk probably played around. Aokiji vs doflamingo. Luffy vs Bellamy.
As I have said multiples times reality bending does no damage. How does luffy going inside kaido and inflating himself does damage to kaido. Kaido himself stated it turned him into Rubber means his reality bending is only there whom he touches and isn't permanent. Akainu awakened or not changed the half of the island into volcano hub.
Let it be narratively or logically akainu Is a bad match up for luffy. If your argument was on haki. Even I have to accept there luffy current haki is > Akainu but akainu fruit is quite versatile. Haki would be only helpful in attack not in defense over here.
And to be practical no awakening can surpass the asspull oda made on Luffy's fruit. Even law awakening is justifiable.
Best Akainu awakening could do is permanent Surrounding change or summoning large amount of magma and control it. And that's deadly in its own way. Luffy can't do permanent Surrounding change. And surrounding magma change means temp would be too high in that area already giving luffy a disadvantage.
Luffy had to get an asspull awakening to do that. Zoro himself saved gear 4 luffy from boro breath.
Because he's a fuckin clown. He took damage out of it. Or else he wouldn't have even bothered day it out loud.
And lmao you just ignored my whole temperature argument and decided speak some reality bending magic.
That's what you call asspull. Rubber has no buisness being able to resist That sort of temperature.
Luffy went all out , not even once he was playing around. You call someone playing around when fight is like Pre time skip Zoro vs Mihawk. Where mihawk probably played around. Aokiji vs doflamingo. Luffy vs Bellamy.
As I have said multiples times reality bending does no damage. How does luffy going inside kaido and inflating himself does damage to kaido. Kaido himself stated it turned him into Rubber means his reality bending is only there whom he touches and isn't permanent. Akainu awakened or not changed the half of the island into volcano hub.
Let it be narratively or logically akainu Is a bad match up for luffy. If your argument was on haki. Even I have to accept there luffy current haki is > Akainu but akainu fruit is quite versatile. Haki would be only helpful in attack not in defense over here.
And to be practical no awakening can surpass the asspull oda made on Luffy's fruit. Even law awakening is justifiable.
Best Akainu awakening could do is permanent Surrounding change or summoning large amount of magma and control it. And that's deadly in its own way. Luffy can't do permanent Surrounding change. And surrounding magma change means temp would be too high in that area already giving luffy a disadvantage.
Shanks casually did that to Greenbull, forcing an Admiral to revert to his human form and retreat. Shanks already made Akainu acknowledge their powerlevel difference via CoC, he didnt even attack and Akainu was already affected, doesnt matter what you think but the fight is not extreme diff either way if one side can be affected by the other's CoC.
Before Bajrang Gun, all Luffy did was playing.
And what you call asspull of Luffy ignoring damage is actually literally Luffy's current ability, you can say he's got an asspull asspull no mi but it wont change that he completely ignored island-level Boro Breath on panel due to his freedom. If you miss it
Once someone can reach the power to Awaken it, Nika fruit is only limited by imagination. Doesnt matter what you think about rubber is not supposed to endure heat, its useless since Luffy can decide whatever he wants regarding his body resilience or whatever. He can fight however he wants, he reflected a fire breath like a solid object, he ignore the damage received, whatever.
So yeah Akainu has no business beating Luffy except if Oda wanna narratively humiliate Luffy by him not using his G5, or not doing any reality-warping he did against Kaidou, and also Oda giving asspulls to Akainu. Saying Luffy isnt strong enough to beat Akainu is silly, since Luffy defeated WSC using the first real attack in G5 mode.
Before Bajrang Gun, all Luffy did was playing.
And what you call asspull of Luffy ignoring damage is actually literally Luffy's current ability, you can say he's got an asspull asspull no mi but it wont change that he completely ignored island-level Boro Breath on panel due to his freedom. If you miss it
Once someone can reach the power to Awaken it, Nika fruit is only limited by imagination. Doesnt matter what you think about rubber is not supposed to endure heat, its useless since Luffy can decide whatever he wants regarding his body resilience or whatever. He can fight however he wants, he reflected a fire breath like a solid object, he ignore the damage received, whatever.
So yeah Akainu has no business beating Luffy except if Oda wanna narratively humiliate Luffy by him not using his G5, or not doing any reality-warping he did against Kaidou, and also Oda giving asspulls to Akainu. Saying Luffy isnt strong enough to beat Akainu is silly, since Luffy defeated WSC using the first real attack in G5 mode.
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By no means it was casual.
Is this some new cope? Luffy taking damage is him just playing around?
Great so you accept it was an asspull. So did Zoro (who didn't learn but steal it just by looking at it) and Marco casually deflected. Marco and luffy are on the same boat of Fruit hax in this situation.
Are you dumb or pretending to be one. Luffy literally says it's hot and removes his hand. What happened to awakening then? Atleast speak what's canon. By no means luffy has shown anything which make it looks like he is defying high temperatures.
Lmao so you accept yourself without oda asspull awakening akainu Violates luffy. That too non awakened akainu.
Luffy defeated a "exhausted kaido" who already beat luffy multiples times and his new attacks.
Also bajrang wasn't his first move. Chapter 1042 page 2 , panel 1 , Luffy thinks about what to name this attack but didn't. Then Goku Goku no thunderbolt was there too.
And kaido next panel himself himself says such devil fruit powers can only be countered by Strong haki. And devil isn't invincible either.
Luffy's attack took so much from him that he didn't wake up for like a week after that. Probably a drawback of awakening.
Akainu with no asspull awakening still wins against non G5 luffy. Mid diff. And with G5 it could go either way with Luffy having plot armour to his side. Luffy probably wins extreme diff and probably a scar or Might even end up losing his leg or hand.
Is this some new cope? Luffy taking damage is him just playing around?
Great so you accept it was an asspull. So did Zoro (who didn't learn but steal it just by looking at it) and Marco casually deflected. Marco and luffy are on the same boat of Fruit hax in this situation.
Are you dumb or pretending to be one. Luffy literally says it's hot and removes his hand. What happened to awakening then? Atleast speak what's canon. By no means luffy has shown anything which make it looks like he is defying high temperatures.
Lmao so you accept yourself without oda asspull awakening akainu Violates luffy. That too non awakened akainu.
Luffy defeated a "exhausted kaido" who already beat luffy multiples times and his new attacks.
Also bajrang wasn't his first move. Chapter 1042 page 2 , panel 1 , Luffy thinks about what to name this attack but didn't. Then Goku Goku no thunderbolt was there too.
And kaido next panel himself himself says such devil fruit powers can only be countered by Strong haki. And devil isn't invincible either.
Luffy's attack took so much from him that he didn't wake up for like a week after that. Probably a drawback of awakening.
Akainu with no asspull awakening still wins against non G5 luffy. Mid diff. And with G5 it could go either way with Luffy having plot armour to his side. Luffy probably wins extreme diff and probably a scar or Might even end up losing his leg or hand.
Actually Akainu is held back by Oda on the last 2 years, so the time Akainu fight Will be with PK contender as top top Tier (i have low, mid, high, top in top Tier, not 3 subtier)... But, nevermind this....
---------- this thread question is Big thing--------speculation, off course... Like usual... This time is long to read
WG will call Kuzan back to be A Fleet Admiral or anyone since Akainu will be forced to step down. Sengoku back to Kuzan FA office to be a 'not formal' advisor, only for a few moments. The system is changed into 1 FA with 4 Admirals.
Issho, Smoker, tashigi come as soon as possible as reinforcement for Akainu, to Dig Kaido & Officer, & Big Mom whereabouts (if exist). Navy vs SH, Kid, Law with less commotion (like squardo at Marineford)
Kizaru & Ryukugyu chase BB down
Gion & Tokikake are on charge at Navy HQ as Temporary Substitutional Admiral with Hina making a cage surrounding HQ.
Imple Down gets more secure inside and outside.
all of the Base Branch Commander have each different mission (with SSG) to support 1 of
Burning justice.
RH pirates are still safe since not really far from Cross Guild. SH Are safe.
The story goes on, SH which go to Laugh Tale, have GF & Alliance vs 4 Admirals with 10 Buster calls equivalent. The 4 Admirals can't make SH side Struggle. But they suddenly retreat. It is because Revo + Giants are seen on the way to Navy HQ. With Navy HQ force, they cant deal with them.
---------- this thread question is Big thing--------speculation, off course... Like usual... This time is long to read
WG will call Kuzan back to be A Fleet Admiral or anyone since Akainu will be forced to step down. Sengoku back to Kuzan FA office to be a 'not formal' advisor, only for a few moments. The system is changed into 1 FA with 4 Admirals.
Issho, Smoker, tashigi come as soon as possible as reinforcement for Akainu, to Dig Kaido & Officer, & Big Mom whereabouts (if exist). Navy vs SH, Kid, Law with less commotion (like squardo at Marineford)
Kizaru & Ryukugyu chase BB down
Gion & Tokikake are on charge at Navy HQ as Temporary Substitutional Admiral with Hina making a cage surrounding HQ.
Imple Down gets more secure inside and outside.
all of the Base Branch Commander have each different mission (with SSG) to support 1 of
- Imple Down (1 SSG),
- Issho reinforcement (2 SSG + Smoker-tachi) tracking Red Hair Pirates
- Ryukugyu Reinforcement (1 SSG + 1 VA) to pick a fight with Cross Guild but not a deadly one. Then they go to BB remnants.
- Akainu reinforcement (1 SSG + 1 VA) to escort Kaido& Officer. (SH, Kid, Law are safe)
- Kizaru Reinforcement (1SSG + 1 VA) to escort BB,
- Akainu & Kizaru escort ships are met. 1 VA + 1 SSG side come to ryukugyu
- After Impel Down is close. Kizaru, 1 VA + 1 SSG go to Issho whereabout to get RH pirates
- Akainu makes like Kanki's Tree Craft (Kingdom reference) from Kaido&officer+Big Mom & broadcast it via Den Den Mushi to the world
Burning justice.
RH pirates are still safe since not really far from Cross Guild. SH Are safe.
The story goes on, SH which go to Laugh Tale, have GF & Alliance vs 4 Admirals with 10 Buster calls equivalent. The 4 Admirals can't make SH side Struggle. But they suddenly retreat. It is because Revo + Giants are seen on the way to Navy HQ. With Navy HQ force, they cant deal with them.
Shanks using CoC from miles away was anything but casual? Shanks preaching while parrying Akainu while Kaidou coldsweating due to CoC (literally powerlevel difference) was not Shanks being casual?
Kaidou saying Luffy keep playing around on panel is cope? Luffy was playing around in G5, his only real G5 was Bajrang Gun. No way around it.
Luffy saying ugh to slash attacks then proceeded to attack like nothing happened two panels later was a show of Luffy's weakness? It did give him damage but it was negligible. Blazing Bagua (literally Kaidou's strongest attack) was hot with nothing but small burns at his skin was an indicator of Akainu being able to defeat Luffy? Violate Luffy? Welp Akainu was violated by a CoC parry, how will he violate a chosen one reality warper who can ignore damage and make island-sized CoC barrier?
Akainu literally has no way around being violated by Luffy, except if Oda gave Akainu last minute asspull while restricting Luffy's G5 abilities at the same time. Just hope that Oda give Luffy amnesia and purposefully make Luffy suddenly have no imagination, shamelessly locking his abilities in order for Akainu to "violate" Luffy.