Questions & Mysteries What if "creature" in world strongest creature means all beeing ?

[zaman]

This would mean that Kaido do mog WB and thus, Roger, and that, the scenario of this arc will be very different than what we imagine it is, ie, kaido won't go down this arc, but closer to the EOS, and that in a way or another it will be a lose for our alliance.
I don't agree with the inclusion of "creature" semantically wise tbh, but the question is imo a good food for the thought.

 

[kom5]

This would mean that Kaido do mog WB and thus, Roger, and that, the scenario of this arc will be very different than what we imagine it is, ie, kaido won't go down this arc, but closer to the EOS, and that in a way or another it will be a lose for our alliance.
I don't agree with the inclusion of "creature" semantically wise tbh, but the question is imo a good food for the thought.

He was introduced like that
"strongest living being" and "strongest individual fighter"

But the performance he shows is the opposite Oda has contradict himself with Kaido greatly its a plothole

Even though he is more brutal and implied to be stronger than the less dangerous WB
WB has the higher bounty it means that WB is stronger even though Kaido is more dangerous

Second how can he be stronger than WB if he never challenged him in a one o one in the last 20 years
If he would beat WB and then get caught by the crew I would understand it the case never happend so all what its written about Kaido is not a fact rather a myth he never beat any yonko one o one
Oden who is less than a yonko greatly scarred him
Luffy with his new haki will prob now equally fight him

I just hope this boring arc gets over fast

 

[Luffy is the mc]

What if he didn't need a hostage to defeat Oden? What if a cat couldn't disarm him? What if he gets soloed by Luffy? What if he still has nightmare from a 20 years old fight?

Primebeard ragdolls his ass. Same for Roger.

 

[Just a member]

The key point is that "he is said" to be the strongest creature. Also the more the manga goes one the more the strongest being interpretation is proven wrong. Most likely that was meant to be referred as the strongest zoan with maybe some crazy perk to his durabiity like the ope ope no mi operation (afterall even BM referred to Kaido as a thing, maybe that was to boost the idea of his inhuman durability, yet BM herself tied in a fight with him not many chapters ago..).

 

[zaman]

He was introduced like that
"strongest living being" and "strongest individual fighter"

But the performance he shows is the opposite Oda has contradict himself with Kaido greatly its a plothole

Even though he is more brutal and implied to be stronger than the less dangerous WB
WB has the higher bounty it means that WB is stronger even though Kaido is more dangerous

Second how can he be stronger than WB if he never challenged him in a one o one in the last 20 years
If he would beat WB and then get caught by the crew I would understand it the case never happend so all what its written about Kaido is not a fact rather a myth he never beat any yonko one o one
Oden who is less than a yonko greatly scarred him
Luffy with his new haki will prob now equally fight him

I just hope this boring arc gets over fast

tbh too much discripencies in one title...
I believe that either such title is a said title ie not a true one or that creature has another meaning for Oda because there is no way this dude is the strongest in 1v1

 

[kom5]

tbh too much discripencies in one title...
I believe that either such title is a said title ie not a true one or that creature has another meaning for Oda because there is no way this dude is the strongest in 1v1

its prob like

"air"-King , "earth"-queen and "sea"-Jack
He is stronger than them thats prob all his title isnt anything worth

In the last 30 years:
didnt fight Big Mom
didnt fight Whitebeard
Stopped by Shanks
scarred by Oden

Also he doesnt behave like the strongest or fearless he behaves like an dirty pirate and fears to lose

 

[Date]

You guys take this title things as to much relevant. Its just how the common world percive him, not a thing set in stone.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

tbh too much discripencies in one title...
I believe that either such title is a said title ie not a true one or that creature has another meaning for Oda because there is no way this dude is the strongest in 1v1

It was a ''discrepancy'' since the intro, it wasn't introduced in a box but from the narrator and it was ''said'' to be the case...many things were ''said'' to be in One Piece (Mugiwara being a 8m Tall giant is one of them lol)
There are other Legit titles put in intro boxes but Kaido's is not one of them ( we still have to see his introbox though before drawing any conclusion)

 

[Finalbeta]

He should not be the strongest

He will go down by the hand of Luffy and Zoro who are still much weaker than close to EoS Luffy, the man who shall defeat Akainu

 

[Fujishiro]

He was introduced like that
"strongest living being" and "strongest individual fighter"

But the performance he shows is the opposite Oda has contradict himself with Kaido greatly its a plothole

Even though he is more brutal and implied to be stronger than the less dangerous WB
WB has the higher bounty it means that WB is stronger even though Kaido is more dangerous

Second how can he be stronger than WB if he never challenged him in a one o one in the last 20 years
If he would beat WB and then get caught by the crew I would understand it the case never happend so all what its written about Kaido is not a fact rather a myth he never beat any yonko one o one
Oden who is less than a yonko greatly scarred him
Luffy with his new haki will prob now equally fight him

I just hope this boring arc gets over fast

What performance that he showed currently contradicts that

 

[kom5]

What performance that he showed currently contradicts that

Against Oden that even a non adv haki user and slice him and that he could lose the fight if not for that underhanded tactic

second he never challenged any big name in the last 20-30 years
so how can Kaido be considered the strongest individual or 1 o 1 fighter if he never beat Whitebeard

Linlin herself said she didnt saw him for decades means 20 or 30 years

Shanks easily stopped him and then did go to Marinford

No big name made any big move the last 2 years so he never attacked BB either

The strongest individual fighter is based on feats not rumors

Kaido even feared Odens reminiscence that alone shows that Kaidos level isnt that hype

chapter 795 was just a bait for luring us to Kaido Oda massivly dehyped Kaido now
Kaido doesnt give any vibes the arc is boring I hope it ends soon and we have the Admirals and WG

 

[Fujishiro]

Against Oden that even a non adv haki user and slice him and that he could lose the fight if not for that underhanded tactic

second he never challenged any big name in the last 20-30 years
so how can Kaido be considered the strongest individual or 1 o 1 fighter if he never beat Whitebeard

Linlin herself said she didnt saw him for decades means 20 or 30 years

Shanks easily stopped him and then did go to Marinford

No big name made any big move the last 2 years so he never attacked BB either

The strongest individual fighter is based on feats not rumors

Kaido even feared Odens reminiscence that alone shows that Kaidos level isnt that hype

chapter 795 was just a bait for luring us to Kaido Oda massivly dehyped Kaido now
Kaido doesnt give any vibes the arc is boring I hope it ends soon and we have the Admirals and WG

I say current and you bring up something from 20 years ago lul.
His intro contradicts your statement, he did in fact challenge emperors and navy alike.
So if Bm didnt see him means he didnt see WB?/Rayleigh?/Garp?,etc

Easily huh? Show me the panel of this offscreen and without context confrontation my man.

I dont get this point lol? They were already stuck in the stalemate, if one made a move on bb, the other two would come to sandwich him.

He one hit koed a FM all the while not guarding with haki, took no damage then procceeded to speed blitz him while drunk and very casual.
Then he was making onigashima shake with every hit he while he was fighting big mom in his base form, onigashime being a good deal bigger than marineford, all the while you had his goons commenting how the island would be destroyed if they kept up.

Again, headcanon, kaido never showed fear towards oden, ever, not in the flashback or out of it. He only ever mentioned him 3 times in current times, once when destroying the castle, once when berrating momo for not being like his father(showing he respects him) then again now. Thats a look of surprise, tell me this huh. If someone never showed fear towards another person at all throughout their interaction together. And then that person sees the person she thought was dead randomly materialize through their subbordinates actions, would they be surprised or fearfull?

Bait huh, nothing happened to dehype current kaido as far as im concerned, we knew oden was strong, we knew he wounded kaido, we were shown how strong he was by having primebeard and roger kissing his ass. Then you act like a really strong man like him managing to wound dragon form kaido( the only thing he ever wounded by the way, as he sure as hell didnt wound human form when they were fighting at the castle), the same dragon form that was getting ragdolled by g4 luffy, showing how inefficient it is for 1vs1s,as dehype is on you for jumping to conclusions and just plain disregarding what the story is telling you to make up your own headcanon.

Until i see kaido lose 1vs1 right now, his hype and supposed title stand.

 

[kom5]

I say current and you bring up something from 20 years ago lul.
His intro contradicts your statement, he did in fact challenge emperors and navy alike.
So if Bm didnt see him means he didnt see WB?/Rayleigh?/Garp?,etc

Easily huh? Show me the panel of this offscreen and without context confrontation my man.

I dont get this point lol? They were already stuck in the stalemate, if one made a move on bb, the other two would come to sandwich him.

He one hit koed a FM all the while not guarding with haki, took no damage then procceeded to speed blitz him while drunk and very casual.
Then he was making onigashima shake with every hit he while he was fighting big mom in his base form, onigashime being a good deal bigger than marineford, all the while you had his goons commenting how the island would be destroyed if they kept up.

Again, headcanon, kaido never showed fear towards oden, ever, not in the flashback or out of it. He only ever mentioned him 3 times in current times, once when destroying the castle, once when berrating momo for not being like his father(showing he respects him) then again now. Thats a look of surprise, tell me this huh. If someone never showed fear towards another person at all throughout their interaction together. And then that person sees the person she thought was dead randomly materialize through their subbordinates actions, would they be surprised or fearfull?

Bait huh, nothing happened to dehype current kaido as far as im concerned, we knew oden was strong, we knew he wounded kaido, we were shown how strong he was by having primebeard and roger kissing his ass. Then you act like a really strong man like him managing to wound dragon form kaido( the only thing he ever wounded by the way, as he sure as hell didnt wound human form when they were fighting at the castle), the same dragon form that was getting ragdolled by g4 luffy, showing how inefficient it is for 1vs1s,as dehype is on you for jumping to conclusions and just plain disregarding what the story is telling you to make up your own headcanon.

Until i see kaido lose 1vs1 right now, his hype and supposed title stand.

Well yes I thought also so but now Im dissapointed in the yonkos generally Oda really trashed them

-Whitebeard was easily owned by the Admirals
- Jozu was no diffed
-Cracker didnt use any form of adv haki and was defeated
-Peros lost his arm
-Katakuri was defeated after Luffy only run away
-Jack was trashed the whole encounters
-Big Mom is a troll

anyway now for Kaido yeah wow he did that to Luffy so did Apoo knock him out

You know why I think he never encountered any big name when Oden set out to sea Kaido setteled in Wano and Wb never encountered him during Odens voyage or when Roger was out of sea that implies that
Kaido really stayed on Onigashima the whole time

Marco didnt know that Oden died if they would encounter Kaido they would surley ask about Oden so no interaction with WB 30 years long so how can he be stronger than WB in a one o one if he never fought him ???

The same for BM

For Shanks maybe but since he traveled across the world and was a yonko 6 years ago so maybe he did but the pattern for Roger,WB and BM is prob the same as them

BB didnt encounter him because Law said any big didnt do any big move so no big encounter

Kaido prob did attack great fighters 30 years ago before he settled in wano when he was young

 

[Fujishiro]

Well yes I thought also so but now Im dissapointed in the yonkos generally Oda really trashed them

-Whitebeard was easily owned by the Admirals
- Jozu was no diffed
-Cracker didnt use any form of adv haki and was defeated
-Peros lost his arm
-Katakuri was defeated after Luffy only run away
-Jack was trashed the whole encounters
-Big Mom is a troll

anyway now for Kaido yeah wow he did that to Luffy so did Apoo knock him out

You know why I think he never encountered any big name when Oden set out to sea Kaido setteled in Wano and Wb never encountered him during Odens voyage or when Roger was out of sea that implies that
Kaido really stayed on Onigashima the whole time

Marco didnt know that Oden died if they would encounter Kaido they would surley ask about Oden so no interaction with WB 30 years long so how can he be stronger than WB in a one o one if he never fought him ???

The same for BM

For Shanks maybe but since he traveled across the world and was a yonko 6 years ago so maybe he did but the pattern for Roger,WB and BM is prob the same as them

BB didnt encounter him because Law said any big didnt do any big move so no big encounter

Kaido prob did attack great fighters 30 years ago before he settled in wano when he was young

You say yonko have been disappointing yet after wb you procceed to bring up yc lmfao, and wb was terminally ill mate, he was far from his peak condition, you saw what he could do in the flashback.
OFC admirals would trash him, heck any top tier would.

Big mom is no troll,she is forced into situations where oda has to nerf/clown her or else the shs die and he keeps doing that but character portrayal is not character strength.

Thats your problem you think that his encountering of big names happened pre settling in wano and i think it happened after odens death.

Look man this is a clear plothole about wb not knowing about oden, but it doesnt change the fact that the narrator(ie oda) told us he challlenged the navy and emperors, therefore it happened. We just have to wait and see it in the flashback.

You are basing your entire hypothesis on the fact that this whole thing mustve happened pre oden death when i think it happened after.
Kaido was fighting moriah 2 years before fighting oden ffs.

 

[garciajulieen]

Well yes I thought also so but now Im dissapointed in the yonkos generally Oda really trashed them

-Whitebeard was easily owned by the Admirals
- Jozu was no diffed
-Cracker didnt use any form of adv haki and was defeated
-Peros lost his arm
-Katakuri was defeated after Luffy only run away
-Jack was trashed the whole encounters
-Big Mom is a troll

anyway now for Kaido yeah wow he did that to Luffy so did Apoo knock him out

You know why I think he never encountered any big name when Oden set out to sea Kaido setteled in Wano and Wb never encountered him during Odens voyage or when Roger was out of sea that implies that
Kaido really stayed on Onigashima the whole time

Marco didnt know that Oden died if they would encounter Kaido they would surley ask about Oden so no interaction with WB 30 years long so how can he be stronger than WB in a one o one if he never fought him ???

The same for BM

For Shanks maybe but since he traveled across the world and was a yonko 6 years ago so maybe he did but the pattern for Roger,WB and BM is prob the same as them

BB didnt encounter him because Law said any big didnt do any big move so no big encounter

Kaido prob did attack great fighters 30 years ago before he settled in wano when he was young

Are you dissapointed when a healthy Garp, the hero of the marine, litteraly getting stabbed by Morgan wich is close to fodder level?

I'm not a yonko fans or admiral fans. But the battle between those two fans is more and more unbearable for me.

 

[kom5]

You say yonko have been disappointing yet after wb you procceed to bring up yc lmfao, and wb was terminally ill mate, he was far from his peak condition, you saw what he could do in the flashback.
OFC admirals would trash him, heck any top tier would.

Big mom is no troll,she is forced into situations where oda has to nerf/clown her or else the shs die and he keeps doing that but character portrayal is not character strength.

Thats your problem you think that his encountering of big names happened pre settling in wano and i think it happened after odens death.

Look man this is a clear plothole about wb not knowing about oden, but it doesnt change the fact that the narrator(ie oda) told us he challlenged the navy and emperors, therefore it happened. We just have to wait and see it in the flashback.

You are basing your entire hypothesis on the fact that this whole thing mustve happened pre oden death when i think it happened after.
Kaido was fighting moriah 2 years before fighting oden ffs.

Yeah I know but think about it this the contradiction the narrator says:
"he challenged the Yonko and Marines and was captured 18 times" and so on...

so he must have attacked Whitebeard and Big Mom

But BM says she hasnt saw him for decades one decade=10 year so decades are plural means 20 or 30 years contradiction

Shanks become an emperor 6 years ago

But from what we know is that when Oden was out of the sea Kaido never attacked Whitebeard so after that if he would attack Wb
Old Wb would ask about Oden and I dont think Kaido would lie so it means they never meet in the last 20 years second contradiction

What I mean is the whole think is suspicious Oda did a bad job here

Are you dissapointed when a healthy Garp, the hero of the marine, litteraly getting stabbed by Morgan wich is close to fodder level?

I'm not a yonko fans or admiral fans. But the battle between those two fans is more and more unbearable for me.

Im not because he laughed its not about WB being stabbed the way the Yonko and there crew are presented is bad it isnt fun anymore

Jozu was no diffed

 

[Fujishiro]

Yeah I know but think about it this the contradiction the narrator says:
"he challenged the Yonko and Marines and was captured 18 times" and so on...

so he must have attacked Whitebeard and Big Mom

But BM says she hasnt saw him for decades one decade=10 year so decades are plural means 20 or 30 years contradiction

Shanks become an emperor 6 years ago

But from what we know is that when Oden was out of the sea Kaido never attacked Whitebeard so after that if he would attack Wb
Old Wb would ask about Oden and I dont think Kaido would lie so it means they never meet in the last 20 years second contradiction

What I mean is the whole think is suspicious Oda did a bad job here





Im not because he laughed its not about WB being stabbed the way the Yonko and there crew are presented is bad it isnt fun anymore

Jozu was no diffed

I think oda just forgot about that and mishandled the current stuff with plotholes, i dont see him disregarding his intro saying he fought emperors and navy.

Only think he fked up was the bm stuff saying she hasnt seen him in decades and the wb not knowing about oden stuff, doesnt mean kaido and wb didnt fight repeatedly. But hell have to explain how they never asked or wondered about oden when they captured him.

 

[kom5]

I think oda just forgot about that and mishandled the current stuff with plotholes, i dont see him disregarding his intro saying he fought emperors and navy.

Only think he fked up was the bm stuff saying she hasnt seen him in decades and the wb not knowing about oden stuff, doesnt mean kaido and wb didnt fight repeatedly. But hell have to explain how they never asked or wondered about oden when they captured him.

a regular battle between Kaido and Whitebeard for years would spice up the story and hype the yonko more
I have the feeling he really needs more time to plan a break would do good

Cause Kaido alone attacking a yonko crew and then get captured and senteced escape retreat the same thing again would be amazing but we have to wait

I just fear Kaido is a giant oni chilling on his island

 

[Fujishiro]

a regular battle between Kaido and Whitebeard for years would spice up the story and hype the yonko more
I have the feeling he really needs more time to plan a break would do good

Cause Kaido alone attacking a yonko crew and then get captured and senteced escape retreat the same thing again would be amazing but we have to wait

I just fear Kaido is a giant oni chilling on his island

That’s what the narrator told us, I can’t wait for his flashback because it will finally quite down the debate. Whichever side was right.
Oda does want to end one piece fast now, he has a family and kids and he probably wants the retire. So I can see him making mistakes with plot holes and such. I’d say the plot holes rn shouldnt be used to denature what he said years ago when he was more into making one piece.
I mean just look at dressrossa with fights everywhere and now wano with just off paneling everything.
Last one was kanjurou. He’s clearly rushing and when you rush you’re bound to make continuity mistakes.

 

[Formerly Seth]

World Strongest Creature means that friendly farmland cows will talk about Kaido and humans will talk about Whitebeard.

The end.

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