Questions & Mysteries What if one of the 12 great grade swords turn black. How did gorosei get Shodai kitetsu?

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Cruxroux

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All current 12 great sword we know of are

Yoru - Black Blade.
Murakumogiri - Not black.
Ace - Not Black.
Shodai Kitetsu - Unknown.

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Over here. Hitetsu himself said if enma is forged into a Black blade. it rank will increase from 21 great sword to 12 superior great swords.

Now coming to Shushui. It's among the 21 great swords not 12 superior swords. It rank must have increased from 50 great swords. Sandai kitetsu level to enma and ame no habakiri level.

By this speculation It's possible mihawk yoru was once under 21 great swords belt and when forged into a black blade it went 12 superior swords.

if all wondered if roger was a swordsman and shanks too why didn't they forge a black blade. maybe because forging a 21 great sword into 12 great swrds is easier to forge a 12 great sword into superior class on it's own. which no one has performed so far.

I think only exception we will ever get out of all the swords are from shodai kitetsu. it's among 12 great sword. and will turn black to enter a league of it's own.

it's probably with one of Gorosei. And this would represent threat level straw hats will be facing eos final battle. blackbeard gonna surpass rocks for sure.

no other sword into existense can do that , as there are only 4 known supreme great swords. and one of them is already a black sword. other two users died and shodai kitetsu user is unknown.

Shanks gryphon is probably one of the 12 great sword. I don't any other user of 12 supreme great sword.
there could be a possiblity swords used by Fujitora and Green bull are either 12 great swords or 21 great swords.

fujitora probably has 21 great sword. hence turning it black will make it ways into 12 supreme sword.

and for greenbul I'm expecting it to be 12 great sword and turning his sword will just give his sword a league of it's own.

why he can do so is other admirals uses swords but with their abilities. like aokiji makes ice sword, kizaru makes light sword. fujitora uses a sword because gravity can't make any sword.

but aramaki sword does allow him to make one. so why bother carrying a sword?
It could be another creation of SHimotsuki clan not kozuki clan. ((I'm specualting aramki to be from wano))

Shitmotsuki clan has blacksmith to make swords like enma and wado ichimonji and there could be more swords no doubt. But there's no 12 great sword under the belt of shitmotsuki clan.

kotetsu the craftsman of nidai kitetsu. and sukiyaki craftsman of sandai kitetsu. shodai is also probably from ancestor of kozuki clan not shimotsuki.

No idea how Gorosei has his hands on that sword. WG never invaded wano or was never succesful.
my speculations are Shodai kitetsu was built 800 years ago at the time of joyboy. and nidai was probably forged 400 years ago and sandai be current era.

it was said with each new kitetsu they became weak. so before wano was closed off. maybe that point previous gorosei or imu took the shodai kitetsu from wano.
 
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Geo

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Cruxroux said:
IS it given somewhere? or I missed reading something while researching.
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Not direct.
It is implied by the fact that it is said to be the strongest.

Since we know that there are no rankings within a sword grade and that making a sword black increases its tier....then it can only mean that Yoru was already supreme grade before getting blackened.
 
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Cruxroux

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Geo said:
Not direct.
It is implied by the fact that it is said to be the strongest.

Since we know that there are no rankings within a sword grade and that making a sword black increases its tier....then it can only mean that Yoru was already supreme grade before getting blackened.
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but making it black directly it's raising it's rank.
if this is the case. yoru is probably the strongest sword in the verse and no one beat it. not even enma cuz it will move from 21 to 12 supremme swords but yoru is more like supreme grade already then turning black. giving it a league of it;s own.

also my theory sort of explained why roger and wb didn't had a black blade like mihawk. they were already at 12 supreme grade.
 
comrade

comrade

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The supreme grade category is just synonymous for the highest quality blades. So a supreme grade blade that will turn black, will still be called one of the supreme grade blades, as in highest quality swords. It's more that black blades themselves tend to be highlighted as the finest of them all.
 
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Cruxroux

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comrade said:
The supreme grade category is just synonymous for the highest quality blades. So a supreme grade blade that will turn black, will still be called one of the supreme grade blades, as in highest quality swords. It's more that black blades themselves tend to be highlighted as the finest of them all.
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But sukiyaki said. forging them black will raise it's rank.
 
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Herrera95

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There are 2 ways to see this.

There is no rank above Supreme. So if a Supreme Sword became black it remains Supreme but better quality.
If one of the 21 great sword become black blade it remains as 21 great sword but better quality.

Or if one of the 21 great sword become black blade it stolen the position of one of the 12 Supreme that is probably not a black blade yet.

It is all about ranks. There will be only 12 Supreme. 21 great. 50 good.
 
comrade

comrade

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Cruxroux said:
But sukiyaki said. forging them black will raise it's rank.
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No, he said Enma's rank may yet be raised if it turns black. As Enma is one of the 21 grade blades, on the upper end that is, turning black would allow it to compare to the finest blades in the world (the supreme grade blades). He didn't speak for all blades automatically raising in rank. But probably, all that are not supreme grade already, will raise in rank by turning black. But since supreme grade blades are already the highest classification, there won't suddenly be a new category founded, if a supreme grade turns black. It will still remain in that category as an especially powerful blade.
 
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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I think Oda made a blunder with this grading thing and logically it is something stupid. If you have graded the swords and then quantified how many each category may have then this would mean that any new sword/blade forged could not be among the previously defined grades. This only changes if the number of swords in a graded category were based on the swords grade at that point in time. For example the numbers 12, 21 and 50 were so because only these number of swords were able to fulfill the requirements of the respective at that time which we can assume to be the time when the SHPs reached Loguetown. And the number has so far not changed. But if a sword's rank is raised then the numbers would be adjusted accordingly. When Enma turns black then the Great Grade Swords would reduce from 21 to 20 and the Supreme Grade Swords would increase to 13.
The reason Yoru is listed among the 12 might be because it was among the 21 previously or it was already among the 12 but since there is no higher category so the grade remains the same but it is now called the strongest. I am leaning more towards the latter because there is nothing to indicate why should a lower rank sword whose rank was raised should be called the strongest.
I would agree with the notion that turning a higher grade sword black might be more difficult than turning a lower grade sword but this would really disrespect the achievements of Mihawk and Ryuma, the WSS and Sword God. This is what sets them apart from the rest.
Black blades and how they are made are probably one of the most anticipated power level mysteries of the manga.
 
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