Powers & Abilities What if Roger did forge a black blade?

[Monkey D Theories]

So to our knowledge, the only people who have created a black blade were MIhawk and Ryuuma. But does it really make sense for Gol D Roger, the man who rivaled WB despite not having any DF powers, not to have the black blade?

So far, we all the fights we have seen from Roger were before he went on his final journey that took him to One piece. Shiki, Whitebeard, both of these fights happened before Roger's final journey.

My question is: could Roger have unlocked the black blade during the final journey?

I think its not only likely, but nearly a guarantee that he did. Roger was one of the strongest swordsmen in history. Easily on par with Mihawk and Ryuuma if not even stronger. Not only that but he was a pure swordsman and he went toe to toe with some of the strongest DF users in the series. How could this not have led to him unlocking the black blade? It makes no sense.

Whereas for the other top tiers, one can rationalize why they don't have it. Shanks might not have been strong enough to unlock it(as only the WSSM has been shown to wield it). Big Mom , Fujitora, and WB all use DFs heavily in conjunction with their blades, hence they never needed it.

But Roger is like neither of the aforementioned swordsmen. He is a pure swordsman unlike BM, Fuji, and WB, and he was most certain a good deal stronger than Shanks. By Mihawk's own admission, he must have been stronger than Mihawk is right now. So why shouldn't Roger have had it?

The only argument I can see is that "he's not a pure swordsman" since he used a gun in chapter zero. But we've never seen him use a gun in any scene apart from that one. What's more is that that was a sea battle, meaning that even if he wasn't normally a gun user, a gun would have been the best choice for him as a sword is primarily a close range weapon.

In any case, I think it is very likely that Roger unlocked the black blade during his final journey and that sometime soon, we could even see Roger's black blade.

 

[trav]

to our "knowledge" only Ryuma has.
Mihawk is carrying a black blade. there is no reference in the manga so far if he got it when it was already black or if he made it black himself.

if Roger was one of the only people who ever created a permanently black sword then chance are very high that he was his eras WSS.
you really want to destroy the community, do you not?

 

[Buusatan94]

It wouldn't make a big difference in the story, we already know that Roger was the strongest man to have lived in OP world alongside Whitebeard and that Shanks was perfectly able of matching Mihawk and of becoming a yonko without a black blade.

 

[Just a member]

It could be just like Shanks. Roger had no df (as least from what we know until now), had a sword as his weapon of choice and top tier coc, coa and coo. Shanks in the same way has top tier coc, most likely very strong coa and coo too, a sword as weapon of choice yet no black blade unlike a character who is pretty close to him in a lot of things but has a black sword.

Probably you must have a perfect mastery of the sword to be able to make it black, something that Shanks and Roger were not up to that point. Yet they had amazing coc which is something that Mihawk 99% lacks, or at least is below Shanks/Roger like they are below him in swordmanship.

 

[style]

Oda's foreshadowing?

 

[trav]

It wouldn't make a big difference in the story, we already know that Roger was the strongest man to have lived in OP world alongside Whitebeard

we do not know this at all.
WB became WSS long after Roger died. its perfectly fine to assume that WB got stronger than Roger was.

Roger is not introduced as WSS, but is shwon weilding a sword in combat. thus, making it a very high possibility that there is a swordsman that is stronger than (prime) Roger.

What have Shanks and Mihawk got to do with this anyways? and how do you compare yonko with WSS. both are entirely different.
Shanks becoming a yonko has nothing to do with his inferior strength compared to Mihawk.

Roger having a black blade has heavy implications if the only person alive that we know of who also has a black blade is Mihawk, Zoros goal.
That would mean that Zoros and Luffys goal have an equal combat achievement.
I already believe Zoros and Luffys goal (Mihawk and Shanks* respectively) to be more or less equal in terms of power requirement so that does not change much for me.
it would for other people of the community though.

*he is currently closest to the PK title and Luffy also wants to surpass him.

 

[Buusatan94]

we do not know this at all.
WB became WSS long after Roger died. its perfectly fine to assume that WB got stronger than Roger was.

Roger is not introduced as WSS, but is shwon weilding a sword in combat. thus, making it a very high possibility that there is a swordsman that is stronger than (prime) Roger.

What have Shanks and Mihawk got to do with this anyways? and how do you compare yonko with WSS. both are entirely different.
Shanks becoming a yonko has nothing to do with his inferior strength compared to Mihawk.

Roger having a black blade has heavy implications if the only person alive that we know of who also has a black blade is Mihawk, Zoros goal.
That would mean that Zoros and Luffys goal have an equal combat achievement.
I already believe Zoros and Luffys goal (Mihawk and Shanks* respectively) to be more or less equal in terms of power requirement so that does not change much for me.
it would for other people of the community though.

*he is currently closest to the PK title and Luffy also wants to surpass him.

Yes we know that. Roger has been stated many times to be the strongest pirate the world had seen alongside Whitebeard and that only a very few like WB, Garp, Shiki and Xebec could match him. He and Whitebeard have greater hype and feats that Mihawk who himself said that becoming the PK was harder than becoming the WSS and that he wanted to test the difference between him and WB.
And there is no doubt that even at the end of the series Luffy will still be much stronger than Zoro, just like most captains are much stronger than their FM.

 

[trav]

we have neither seen Garp, or Shiki or Xebec or prime WB fight.
you assume that Roger was the strongest ever. that does not make it true.

WB matched Roger before Roger died. WB lived on and for all we know was maybe still gaining power.

WSS is easier to achieve than PK as PK is not a solo effort. you need a crew. WSS on the other hand can be achieved all by yourself.
of course this is harder to accomplish.

at the end of the series Luffy will still be much stronger than Zoro

possible.
without a doubt? surely not. I believe otherwise.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Oda's foreshadowing?

Every haki coated blade looks like this from way before those panels.

we do not know this at all.
WB became WSS long after Roger died. its perfectly fine to assume that WB got stronger than Roger was.

Roger is not introduced as WSS, but is shwon weilding a sword in combat. thus, making it a very high possibility that there is a swordsman that is stronger than (prime) Roger.

What have Shanks and Mihawk got to do with this anyways? and how do you compare yonko with WSS. both are entirely different.
Shanks becoming a yonko has nothing to do with his inferior strength compared to Mihawk.

Roger having a black blade has heavy implications if the only person alive that we know of who also has a black blade is Mihawk, Zoros goal.
That would mean that Zoros and Luffys goal have an equal combat achievement.
I already believe Zoros and Luffys goal (Mihawk and Shanks* respectively) to be more or less equal in terms of power requirement so that does not change much for me.
it would for other people of the community though.

*he is currently closest to the PK title and Luffy also wants to surpass him.

Whitebeard was, maximum, as strong as Roger. Whenever any character speaks of the times of prime Roger he's the model of strength. Buggy talks about how Whitebeard was the only man known to fight evenly with him (not the other way around), Chinjao says that the Pirate King is the one at the top of all conquerors, etc.

It is way simpler: forging a black blade isn't a strength testimony by itself. You can be as strong or stronger than a black blade user without one.

 

[Homelander]

My only dissappointment how come only mihawk and Ryumma can do it.

Roger ,rayleigh , oden never wield black blade seems so confusing .

I am not even sure of this oda still needs to explain the black blade stuff why couldnt oden do it or even pirate king himself ?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

tbh that blade in that panel looks like shusui
but his sword wasnt shown in shiki's flashback in the manga only in the anime.
it could very well be a black blade as style pointed out.

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[soultrain]

we still don't know if Roger had no DF and what is required to make a blade black. it could be related to how much blood it has spilled, for instance

 

[sanjikun]

to our "knowledge" only Ryuma has.
Mihawk is carrying a black blade. there is no reference in the manga so far if he got it when it was already black or if he made it black himself.

He was describing to Zoro the process by which a blade becomes black. It's quite clear he did it himself, and why it's called the "strongest sword in the world".

 

[ZoroGang]

He was describing to Zoro the process by which a blade becomes black. It's quite clear he did it himself, and why it's called the "strongest sword in the world".

Also when they first fought . Mihawk called it “ My Black Blade”

 

[Gol D. Roger]

tbh that blade in that panel looks like shusui
but his sword wasnt shown in shiki's flashback in the manga only in the anime.
it could very well be a black blade as style pointed out.

Chronologically speaking, The events from chapter 966 transpired years after the Edd war. Roger's sword can't be black during the Edd war.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Chronologically speaking, The events from chapter 966 transpired years after the Edd war. Roger's sword can't be black during the Edd war.

why not

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Chronologically speaking, The events from chapter 966 transpired years after the Edd war. Roger's sword can't be black during the Edd war.

it doesnt really specifiy if his sword is not black without haki in ch 966 .

 

[trav]

He was describing to Zoro the process by which a blade becomes black. It's quite clear he did it himself, and why it's called the "strongest sword in the world".
knowing how something works does not mean you did it yourself.
its not "quite clear". its never stated anywhere. you assume that this is the case, but you certainly do not know.

Also when they first fought . Mihawk called it “ My Black Blade”

Zoro considered Shusui his blade too.

 

[sanjikun]

Zoro considered Shusui his blade too.

Zoro had no fucking idea how black blades came to be. Mihawk knew the process.

 

[trav]

Zoro had no fucking idea how black blades came to be. Mihawk knew the process.

that does not matter at all.
yeah it is Mihawks black blade. same as Shusui was Zoros black blade. ownership of the item does not indicate who created/changed it.
I am fairly sure that Mihawk did not forge Yoru. it is still HIS blade. or HIS black blade in that case.

knowing how something works also does not mean that you are able to do it.
Mihawk making Yoru black is still an assumption. wether you like that or not.

 

[Erkan12]

If he did then we couldn't say black blade has nothing to do with power levels. Good thing he didn't.