what is even the point of dating for men?

[Logiko]

yea the prince charming fantasy is beyond dumb
Nobody in real life acts like that

So when, that dumb expectation inevitably gets destroyed
so they say all men are bad because they only chose shitty ones and they expect more then what really would be

it's like having sex for the first time
you think it's going to be great because you expected so much from it

then it's just not what you thought it was
keep your expectations low and you will never be disappointed

No general movement say "all men are bad", we say "all men/human are sexist" meaning me, you and everyone here. That's just the way it is under patriarchy.

if it's so patriarchal why dont these women fill out a job application and provide for us?

Maybe because men have the power to restrain women from getting those job? I means.. use your brain mate.

The core principle of patriarchy is the systemic control of men over women, so of COURSE in that society men will be the one to provide.

Why ? Because providing in our society is not seen as a burden but as the "manly" thing to do. So women are of course excluded from that.

Just think mate.. you are so close yet so far from understanding the real issue here. Your hate of women is clouding your vision of the entire society. You know men are suffering from a systemic problem, you've said it so yourself, you know women are suffering too.. but you are failing to connect two and two together. So you will only register what men are suffering from the patriarchy, but you will automaticaly forget the first victims: women.

But it's not like I've repeated that to you 100 times already. At this point, I think you are just in denial.

The fact that women are oppressed and are more victim than men in our society is something that you won't accept.

It's time you start to accept reality.

 

[Bob74h]

No general movement say "all men are bad",

femminist online do

all the time

Maybe because men have the power to restrain women from getting those job? I means.. use your brain mate.

They are by law not allowed to do that
anti discrimination laws are a thing afterall

The core principle of patriarchy is the systemic control of men over women, so of COURSE in that society men will be the one to provide.

and how does men paying for everything at the expense of themselves benefit them?
if society was in men's interests

we would sit on our asses whilie women are expected to pay bills and work
also women would be the ones to approach men and men would be the ones who get to reject or sexual advances yet it's not that way

almost like it's not a patriarchy or something

but you will automaticaly forget the first victims: women.

All you can bring up is rare cases of rape
or economic issues which are more easily dealt with as a woman then as a man

as you can marry up as a woman but not a man at least that's how it works socially cause men are the providers or seen as such

Why ? Because providing in our society is not seen as a burden but as the "manly" thing to do. So women are of course excluded from that.

In a ideal society
both sexes would be expected to work and provide money that way all the effort aint delegated to one person


and btw the fact
people like you even existing proves you wrong if women are the victims and societally discriminated then we wouldt have large swafts of people who spend all day advocating for women

Black people
didt have have millions or thousands of people defending them in the days of slavery whiile in a nice house provided for them without them having to work

 

[Cross_Marian]

boy, you are pathetic

Why though?
It’s his choice and there’s nothing wrong with it
Everyone has different standards
He doesn’t force anyone to be virgin and is only searching for one
There are many girls who think the same

 

[Novak D Jokovic]

The core principle of patriarchy is the systemic control of men over women, so of COURSE in that society men will be the one to provide.




It's time you start to accept reality.

The systemic control exist not because of men but because of the power of money. We humans give so much value to money that we are so depended. Do you have a job and gain money? You have power. Are you a mother and raise a baby but you don't get money? You have no power. But without raising babies,men or women couldn't exist.. Break the money system and we will have surely a better life.

 

[York]

it's like having sex for the first time
you think it's going to be great because you expected so much from it

then it's just not what you thought it was
keep your expectations low and you will never be disappointed

Skill issue

 

[Adam 🍎]

Skill issue

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

I LOVE YOU

 

[Fn Lucci]

Someone had a question about dating I guess? Then I scroll through and the talk is about rape and being terrible in bed. Well okay folks.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Sex.

 

[BleakAsh]

let me guess

hmm equity towards women without giving a damm about men??

Nothing to do with equity towards woman

But rather the INCEL labeling of people who express the fact that modern dating has made dating experiences worse for men due to expectations and stigmas

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't think the average Joe can afford to go the mgtow way,not everyone has that level of emotional detachment.

 

[BleakAsh]

yea that's why men work their asses off at underpaid jobs. To keep the lights on and pay the food
you think women pay the bills or buy food? No men are expected to provide even in these quote patriarchal societies

if it's so patriarchal why dont these women fill out a job application and provide for us?

I don't get folks who don't get the fact that feminism in the west has turned into a superiority campaign

Hyper-sensitive and shallow bunch

Coming from someone who thinks women are objectively GOOD you'd expect such drivel.

The definition of oppression of women they put forth actually smears the women who really suffer under tyrannical bastards around the world.

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Why though?
It’s his choice and there’s nothing wrong with it
Everyone has different standards
He doesn’t force anyone to be virgin and is only searching for one
There are many girls who think the same

Let em cook

 

[Logiko]

femminist online do

all the time

No dude, they say "men are trash". This may sound similar, but in reality its not.

"Trash" in that context is like a volontary overstatement. It's made to make you understand the anger behind the concept.
"Trash" means that you are not born bad, you are just a product of a society, a middly trashy one as we men are all sexist in one way or another. We are not born sexist we are raised sexist. Meaning that we can change it !

By saying "men are trash" feminists really say "Change your F-ing behavior!"

They are by law not allowed to do that
anti discrimination laws are a thing afterall

Power is invisible mate. Go beyond what you see.

and how does men paying for everything at the expense of themselves benefit them?

we would sit on our asses whilie women are expected to pay bills and work

That would be slavery. We are past that.
That system benefits our power and our social relationship in society not only our power over women. It's a complex sociological machine.

also women would be the ones to approach men and men would be the ones who get to reject or sexual advances yet it's not that way

Dude.. The reason you don't get girls is not because women have all the men they want. It's because you have been taught to be a douch in front of women. Don't be a douch and you will be able to have as many date as women.

All you can bring up is rare cases of rape
or economic issues which are more easily dealt with as a woman then as a man

as you can marry up as a woman but not a man at least that's how it works socially cause men are the providers or seen as such

And again.. we say "women".. you think "men"

You have a denial problem. You are just not accepting reality as it is.
1/3 women being violented is not "rare cases of rape" stop being a jerk and listen for once.

In a ideal society
both sexes would be expected to work and provide money that way all the effort aint delegated to one person

No. in a ideal society NO GENDER would be expected to work and provide. This "providing" philosophy is a patriarcal moral construct.

and btw the fact
people like you even existing proves you wrong if women are the victims and societally discriminated then we wouldt have large swafts of people who spend all day advocating for women

"if people were discriminated, people wouldn't be defending people".. that's pure fallacious and nonsense logic dude. I hope you understand that.

Black people
didt have have millions or thousands of people defending them in the days of slavery whiile in a nice house provided for them without them having to work

Actually yes there was. People were advocating for the end of slavery already back then... Just that instead of million of people it was rather people in position of power discussing the matter. It didn't appear one day out of the blue.




sigh...

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feminism in the west has turned into a superiority campaign

Only to those who don't understand feminism...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Me knowing or not knowing many women doesn’t negate the Fact that promiscuity, masculine women, disregard for a man's preferences and expectation.. Is the result for many men asking similar questions

"disregard for a man's preferences and expectation"
Oh boy....women are not in this world to please men and be their loyal dogs.

its hard to find someone who doesn't have lofty and ideologically driven standards

This goes both ways it seems. Your standards are pretty hard to please.

Not all in the west but ALOT definitely not many here

Have you ever been to the west?
And if you don't like the west, why do you constantly talk about it?
You don't have to go there, no!?

masculine women,

What's a masculine woman? A trans woman?

you realize actual women IRL are not like this right?

you're generalizing how women are based on a profile you got from women on twitter and tumblr lmao

i'm guessing you don't know many women outside of the internet

go outside and you might meet normal people

The guy has never met a person from the west, he spends too much time on the internet and is not aware how it clouds his judgement

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I don't get folks who don't get the fact that feminism in the west has turned into a superiority campaign

OK I do agree with this in part
Some really are like this

 

[Logiko]

The definition of oppression of women they put forth actually smears the women who really suffer under tyrannical bastards around the world.

The level of ignorance you must have on the concept of patriarchy to say proudly something like that is beyond..

Just..

 

[Bob74h]

No dude, they say "men are trash". This may sound similar, but in reality its not.

it literally would be

If i said the same thing about women ie they are trash
you would lose your shit and call me sexist

but rules for you and not everyone else ig

I don't get folks who don't get the fact that feminism in the west has turned into a superiority campaign

Hyper-sensitive and shallow bunch

Well it's stupid
they want people to think that women are opressed whilie also having huge companies backing their messages and having a huge swaft of people who support them

it's so stupid
your not opressed if every person in power agrees with your messaging and simps for you

Like they just live in a different reality to the rest of us where being treated like precious glass who cant dare harm is the same as being treated as a punching bag for men to wail on

 

[Logiko]

it literally would be

If i said the same thing about women ie they are trash
you would lose your shit and call me sexist

but rules for you and not everyone else ig

You would be sexist. You don't understand that you telling a woman that and a woman telling that is two different things. On one hand you are not oppressed (at least not by patriarchy) on the other women are. See that the same way black people can say the N-word but not white people. It's a matter of who is oppressed and who is not.

Don't forget that by saying "men are trash" I definitely include myself in the batch.

Like they just live in a different reality to the rest of us where being treated like precious glass who cant dare harm is the same as being treated as a punching bag for men to wail on

You are in complete denial dude..

 

[Bob74h]

Actually yes there was. People were advocating for the end of slavery already back then.

ofc there was

it's the numbers
im talking about here even said as much

the sheer mass of people who support feminism is huge compared to the small minority who opposed slavery

and that was my point


You cant be a opressed underclass and have a majority or decently large group supporting you


Even then carrot
you gotta be pretty dense to act like rich women who live in luxury are more opressed then some homeless man

it's all about context and the living situations of these people
maybe some women have it worse then me because they are stuck with a abusive father that hits them or something

but to assert that in general, women have it worse is pretty stupid
I mean we both agree men are forced to suppress emotions and that can cause alot of mental problems hence the higher suicide rate coupled with the lack of empathy for men. you acknowledge these things and agree they are problems much like me so how can this problem be so bad that so many men are depressed and lonely yet you still assert the belief that women have grander issues

Like literally what is worse then what you dub as toxic masculinity.

No. in a ideal society NO GENDER would be expected to work and provide. This "providing" philosophy is a patriarcal moral construct.

how you going to get food or money
without working,hunting or whatever

going to need someone to get those resources
so what do you suppose is done then to get such things??

By saying "men are trash" feminists really say "Change your F-ing behavior!"

your subscribing a motive
you cant really prove these women have


I get behind some of the ideals of femmism and even some of their positions like abortion
but when you get to gender politics, it's impossible for me to get into it


I mean ig
some people are fine being called trash and toxic for merely being born male
but i for one dont wish to support a group that hates me

1/3 women being violented is not "rare cases of rape" stop being a jerk and listen for once.

the one in 3 statistic was debunked many times
it was based on a college interview if i recall and the questions were very incentivized to get one answer


that was never really a well researched statistic

That system benefits our power and our social relationship in society not only our power over women

If that was true
men wouldt get arrested for self defense in the case of a woman assaulting them but yet they do

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You would be sexist. You don't understand that you telling a woman that and a woman telling that is two different things. On one hand you are not oppressed (

This is just double standard bs
If it's fine for one person to say then it's fine for another

I dont much like
the it's okay because women do it shit

See that the same way black people can say the N-word but not white people. It's a matter of who is oppressed and who is not.

difference being
generally speaking black people arent using slurs or insults against white people


so your comparison is shit
In one context, your saying it's not okay for men to degrade women in response to provocation or insults by the female

and in another, it's condemned entirely
nobody should be racist and mean to each other



like what are even trying to say with this
that me saying the n word to you is the same as saying girls are trash?


that's so stupid

 

[Logiko]

You cant be a opressed underclass and have a majority or decently large group supporting you

Dude.. you really are living in a dream world if you think the majority of people in the world or even in occidental countries support feminism and the battle against patriarchy...

A guys who said "grabbed them by the p*ssy" was literally elected president.

So stop your BS.

but to assert that in general, women have it worse is pretty stupid

It's a fact. If you don't accept that fact, it's on you.

I mean we both agree men are forced to suppress emotions and that can cause alot of mental problems

That's nothing in comparison to actual violence against women. again : 1/3 women in the world. 1/3. (and that's only from the partner) 100% of women have faced in one way or another actual sexism and toxic masculinity.

The big problem here is that you don't even realize that men having to suppress their emotion is due to patriarchy.. You are completely in denial. You just can't accept that women have it worst.

This is why you are a big red flag.

how you going to get food or money
without working,hunting or whatever

going to need someone to get those resources
so what do you suppose is done then to get such things??

Won't even comment on that. If you are incapable of imagining a better society, that's only your problem. We are.

your subscribing a motive
you cant really prove these women have


I get behind some of the ideals of femmism and even some of their positions like abortion
but when you get to gender politics, it's impossible for me to get into it


I mean ig
some people are fine being called trash and toxic for merely being born male
but i for one dont wish to support a group that hates me

Don't worry, I know this motive pretty well.

It's anger. And coldness also in front of guys like you who don't want to change.

There is no such thing as gender politics.

the one in 3 statistic was debunked many times
it was based on a college interview if i recall and the questions were very incentivized to get one answer


that was never really a well researched statistic

Source or bs.

If that was true
men wouldt get arrested for self defense in the case of a woman assaulting them but yet they do

Source of a systemic phenomena of men getting arrested for self defense or - again - what you are saying is BS

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difference being
generally speaking black people arent using slurs or insults against white people


so your comparison is shit
In one context, your saying it's not okay for men to degrade women in response to provocation or insults by the female

and in another, it's condemned entirely
nobody should be racist and mean to each other



like what are even trying to say with this
that me saying the n word to you is the same as saying girls are trash?


that's so stupid

This is just double standard bs
If it's fine for one person to say then it's fine for another

I dont much like
the it's okay because women do it shit

Yes, it's ok because women are under a systemic oppression and you are not. So deal with it.

 

[Bob74h]

Source or bs.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015...n-stat-based-survey-73-dudes-katherine-timpf/


headlines citing a study finding one in three college men would rape a women if they could get away with it are splashed all over Feminist Internet — despite the fact that this stat is based on a survey of just 73 guys at the University of North Dakota.

A guys who said "grabbed them by the p*ssy" was literally elected president.

who cares
Every straight guy likes pussy

and
biden is known sniffing underage girls

So i mean, If you have issue with trump
I would love to know how much you hate biden

im guessing you dont tho and your comments only apply when the other side does things you deem as bad

Won't even comment on that. If you are incapable of imagining a better society, that's only your problem. We are.

Why
Do you not have a answer for how people would procure money or food?


like what is your stance
you just dont have a rebuttal

You are completely in denial. You just can't accept that women have it worst.

What am i denying

your saying women have it worse and just leaving at that not giving any reason to really support that


im not denying shit
your making up random shit and just assuming im denying something because we disagree


what are you a flat earther?
Earth is flat cause i said so? Reason or source?


WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE BOOK OF GOD


if you can only tout your belief as a reason
then you dont have a reason

 

[BleakAsh]

disregard for a man's preferences and expectation"
Oh boy....women are not in this world to please men and be their loyal dogs.

"If women's preferences matter so do men's they shouldn't get called incels for it"

That's how simple that was...

Talk aboit loyal muts... Fits you well as an intellectual upgrade if you ever intended to evolve

Have you ever been to the west?
And if you don't like the west, why do you constantly talk about it?
You don't have to go there, no!?

idiotic question indeed i don't hate the west its just western standards become universal standards and even you preach liberalism under your stinking breath

you know worst examples make for best deterrents