Break Week What is Smoker doing?
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We’ll have to wait and see, but it sounds like a bunch of cope to me. I saw someone saying that Koby being worth 5x as much as the average Captain meant that he was 5x stronger than Morgan. It seems more like wishful thinking to me. Koby is being built up to be someone much greater than Usopp. He’s inheriting Garp’s will. Much like Luffy inherited Shanks’ will and Shanks inherited Roger’s will. He’s the future of the Marines. Him being relatively powerful, isn’t far fetched at all. He’s Garp’s #1 disciple.
He's the future of the marines key word 'future'.
What feats does Koby have to put him above Ussop? Like I'm not saying he's not but on a realistic level what feats does he have?
Even Usopp's CoO haki feat is greater than any Koby has shown.
Being 5 times stronger than Morgan isn't that strong. Morgan was beat by Zoro pre timeskip. 5 times as strong as Morgan is likely Blueno level max.
It's clearly a reputation thing the star level not a strength indicator same way Ussop was targeted in Dressrosa because of his God Ussop status.
Coby gets way overhyped IMO.
What feats does Koby have to put him above Ussop? Like I'm not saying he's not but on a realistic level what feats does he have?
Even Usopp's CoO haki feat is greater than any Koby has shown.
Being 5 times stronger than Morgan isn't that strong. Morgan was beat by Zoro pre timeskip. 5 times as strong as Morgan is likely Blueno level max.
It's clearly a reputation thing the star level not a strength indicator same way Ussop was targeted in Dressrosa because of his God Ussop status.
Coby gets way overhyped IMO.
It's not a distant future. It's coming a lot sooner than some people want to think.
He was able to use CoO to scope out a torpedo from a ship so far away that it couldn't be seen, dive into the rough waters of the New World after it had already been launched, fast enough to outswim that torpedo, strong enough to forcibly redirect it and durable enough to tank an explosion that dwarfed the ship. He did that casually. Sometimes we have to look at portrayal and hype. Koby is Garp's #1 disciple, the hero of Rocky Port, his actions made it possible for Blackbeard to oust one of Rocks' Pirates, he mastered Rokushiki, he has CoA and CoO on an advanced level etc. Hype, portrayal and arguably the feat indicate that he's more powerful than Usopp.
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Which is the point. It was a way to downplay the fact that he was given a 500 million bounty. Pre-Skip Koby had soru at the very least, meaning he was superhuman. He was already stronger than Morgan at that point.
Sounds like a cope, but we'll have to wait and see. I don't expect him to show up and be on the level of Luffy or Zoro or anything, but people that expect him to be on the level of Usopp or Nami are equally ridiculous. Most likely he's somewhere in the middle. Around the level of Brook, Robin and Franky. Possibly a little bit abve.
He was able to use CoO to scope out a torpedo from a ship so far away that it couldn't be seen, dive into the rough waters of the New World after it had already been launched, fast enough to outswim that torpedo, strong enough to forcibly redirect it and durable enough to tank an explosion that dwarfed the ship. He did that casually. Sometimes we have to look at portrayal and hype. Koby is Garp's #1 disciple, the hero of Rocky Port, his actions made it possible for Blackbeard to oust one of Rocks' Pirates, he mastered Rokushiki, he has CoA and CoO on an advanced level etc. Hype, portrayal and arguably the feat indicate that he's more powerful than Usopp.
Which is the point. It was a way to downplay the fact that he was given a 500 million bounty. Pre-Skip Koby had soru at the very least, meaning he was superhuman. He was already stronger than Morgan at that point.
Sounds like a cope, but we'll have to wait and see. I don't expect him to show up and be on the level of Luffy or Zoro or anything, but people that expect him to be on the level of Usopp or Nami are equally ridiculous. Most likely he's somewhere in the middle. Around the level of Brook, Robin and Franky. Possibly a little bit abve.
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Garp’s words are future. Unless Coby gets a huge asspull power up no way is he being relevant to EoS enemies.
That's a good feat to the average joe. Finding a torpedo under water or shooting a bullet across one side of the country to another going through small gaps is either equal or better CoO feat. We can look at hype but don't overhype, Hero of Rocky Port incident what does that even mean can you tell? Did he save a bunch of fodder? Coby hasn't shown he has advanced haki on either level. Advanced CoO haki is seeing the future. Advanced CoA is destroying stuff from the inside Coby has never shown any of these feats this is what I mean by overhyping someone.
Hmm. Agreed. Coby was stronger than Morgan never disagreed with that. Morgan is a scrub.
Has to show more to be Brook level for me. Beating fodder doesn't cut it. Based on what we've seen Black Maria would have folded Coby and Robin beat her. It's not good enough to say Coby is Garp’s disciple and hero so he's this level of strong when we've never seen anything from him. It's one of the reasons I can't stand his character if he was shown doing stuff rather than us being told wow look he's a hero etc I'd like him more. The whole tell and not show doesn't work for me.
That's a good feat to the average joe. Finding a torpedo under water or shooting a bullet across one side of the country to another going through small gaps is either equal or better CoO feat. We can look at hype but don't overhype, Hero of Rocky Port incident what does that even mean can you tell? Did he save a bunch of fodder? Coby hasn't shown he has advanced haki on either level. Advanced CoO haki is seeing the future. Advanced CoA is destroying stuff from the inside Coby has never shown any of these feats this is what I mean by overhyping someone.
Hmm. Agreed. Coby was stronger than Morgan never disagreed with that. Morgan is a scrub.
Has to show more to be Brook level for me. Beating fodder doesn't cut it. Based on what we've seen Black Maria would have folded Coby and Robin beat her. It's not good enough to say Coby is Garp’s disciple and hero so he's this level of strong when we've never seen anything from him. It's one of the reasons I can't stand his character if he was shown doing stuff rather than us being told wow look he's a hero etc I'd like him more. The whole tell and not show doesn't work for me.
That's because you've assumed that he's at a low level. We have no idea how strong he is, because he hasn't fought anyone yet.
Also, this thing about the powerup being an asshole is old and tired. We saw Law go from getting mid diffed by Doflamingo to fighting an Emperor without training or having any haki blooms. Zoro didn't train or fight anyone serious until Wano and he was putting in work against Kaido and Big Mom. Luffy had to fight Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri and have a training arc to get to that point. Sanji had his leg fractured in Punk Hazard by Vergo. Then he beat Queen with what... mid difficulty? Characters are going to be as strong as they need to be for the story.
Many people are hoping for Smoker to come back and be at the level of a Yonkou First Mate, even though he was comfortably below Vergo in PH.
Wasn't Violet able to see Usopp's target? Yet Koby's ship was out of sight for her.
CoO. His CoA is basic as far as we know. It was on Arlong Park forums. Volume 1000 said that his observation haki was advanced. These things are out there.
I'm not saying it's definitive that he's at their level. I'm saying that there's a good chance of it and even a chance that he's stronger than them (but weaker than Jinbei, Sanji, Zoro and Luffy obviously).
I do agree that he should show more though. 100%. Oda obviously has plans for him. It would have made more sense to me to reintroduce him earlier (like in Dressrossa) and shown him fighting so people could gouge his level and the kind of progress he was making. Now that he's back in the story, I'm sure he'll be getting into some fights. I could be totally wrong, but everything seems to be pointing to him being relatively strong.
Also, this thing about the powerup being an asshole is old and tired. We saw Law go from getting mid diffed by Doflamingo to fighting an Emperor without training or having any haki blooms. Zoro didn't train or fight anyone serious until Wano and he was putting in work against Kaido and Big Mom. Luffy had to fight Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri and have a training arc to get to that point. Sanji had his leg fractured in Punk Hazard by Vergo. Then he beat Queen with what... mid difficulty? Characters are going to be as strong as they need to be for the story.
Many people are hoping for Smoker to come back and be at the level of a Yonkou First Mate, even though he was comfortably below Vergo in PH.
Wasn't Violet able to see Usopp's target? Yet Koby's ship was out of sight for her.
CoO. His CoA is basic as far as we know. It was on Arlong Park forums. Volume 1000 said that his observation haki was advanced. These things are out there.
I'm not saying it's definitive that he's at their level. I'm saying that there's a good chance of it and even a chance that he's stronger than them (but weaker than Jinbei, Sanji, Zoro and Luffy obviously).
I do agree that he should show more though. 100%. Oda obviously has plans for him. It would have made more sense to me to reintroduce him earlier (like in Dressrossa) and shown him fighting so people could gouge his level and the kind of progress he was making. Now that he's back in the story, I'm sure he'll be getting into some fights. I could be totally wrong, but everything seems to be pointing to him being relatively strong.
I assume because we haven't seen anything from him. Can you call it assuming if I'm using factual feats? I'd say it's assuming by saying he's likely to be strong, no?
I didn't say it couldn't happen I'm saying it's shitty writing to do that. Smoker coming back as YC1 level is easily explainable. Through awakening etc. Coby hasn't shown anything which is my main argument.
Viola's devil fruit can see things when she actively uses her fruit if she's not using it she has no reason to know.
Coby has never shown to see the future. Even during Film Red Usopp was the one highlighted with CoO not Coby.
At least we agree on he should have been shown more. Not shoe horned in at the last saga.
I didn't say it couldn't happen I'm saying it's shitty writing to do that. Smoker coming back as YC1 level is easily explainable. Through awakening etc. Coby hasn't shown anything which is my main argument.
Viola's devil fruit can see things when she actively uses her fruit if she's not using it she has no reason to know.
Coby has never shown to see the future. Even during Film Red Usopp was the one highlighted with CoO not Coby.
At least we agree on he should have been shown more. Not shoe horned in at the last saga.
To an extent. We're both making assumptions, but again... feats, portrayal and hype matters. He doesn't have a lot of feats, but the portrayal and hype is there. Take Koby out of this for a second. Let's say that we heard about a Marine that is being hailed as a hero. He fought at Rocky Port and his actions made it possible for Blackbeard to oust one of Rocks' crewmates. He was a master of Rokushiki with armament haki and his observation haki was stated to be on an advanced level. He was Garps disciple and Garp considered him the future of the Marines. Would you really say that this character didn't sound strong?
It's not easily explainable at all. Koby showing up and being Mid Trio level or even stronger than them after 2-3 years of New World and haki training under Garp makes much more sense than Smoker getting mid diffed by Vergo and then showing up and being YC1 level in a month... or 2 if we're being generous.
I guess, but that doesn't seem to be what Oda was going for.
The fact that the ship was too far away to be seen was emphasized for a reason.
I think you're letting your own bias cloud your judgement. You're talking about Koby being strong being shitty writing and yet you seem to believe that Usopp after just picking up observation haki having stronger CoO than Koby... a character that got haki around the same time as Luffy and Zoro and was personally trained in it's use by Garp for over 2 years makes sense.
Volume 1000 never said that he had future sight. Just that his observation haki was on an advanced level. That could mean a lot of things, but the point is that it was strong.
Yes. I don't know why Oda made that choice, but it was a bad one. My only guess is that he had to many characters to deal with as it was. Most of the Straw Hats still don't have haki. I know we're in the final Saga, but I still think it's possible that we get a timeskip. As things stand, I can't see half of the Straw Hat's fighting evenly with the Blackbeard Pirates.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
It's not easily explainable at all. Koby showing up and being Mid Trio level or even stronger than them after 2-3 years of New World and haki training under Garp makes much more sense than Smoker getting mid diffed by Vergo and then showing up and being YC1 level in a month... or 2 if we're being generous.
I guess, but that doesn't seem to be what Oda was going for.
The fact that the ship was too far away to be seen was emphasized for a reason.
I think you're letting your own bias cloud your judgement. You're talking about Koby being strong being shitty writing and yet you seem to believe that Usopp after just picking up observation haki having stronger CoO than Koby... a character that got haki around the same time as Luffy and Zoro and was personally trained in it's use by Garp for over 2 years makes sense.
Volume 1000 never said that he had future sight. Just that his observation haki was on an advanced level. That could mean a lot of things, but the point is that it was strong.
Yes. I don't know why Oda made that choice, but it was a bad one. My only guess is that he had to many characters to deal with as it was. Most of the Straw Hats still don't have haki. I know we're in the final Saga, but I still think it's possible that we get a timeskip. As things stand, I can't see half of the Straw Hat's fighting evenly with the Blackbeard Pirates.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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Smoker's still recovering from Vergo and Doffy beating his ass. Tashigi won't even see him any more because he's so weak that she started hanging out with Garp and Helmeppo. 
Koby is the future of the Marines, Smoker is the past. All hail Captain Koby the Hero, the beloved protégé of Vice Admiral Monkey D. Garp.
Koby is the future of the Marines, Smoker is the past. All hail Captain Koby the Hero, the beloved protégé of Vice Admiral Monkey D. Garp.