Character Discussion What is so special about Zoro?
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Which is the entire flaw when you're trying to assign an archetype. If you have examples that come AFTER the subject then you don't have a point.
wHaTs SpEcIaL hEs JuSt LiEk AnY bAdAsS. Zoro's not out here coming in 7th place in polls lol. He missed four out of the last twelve years not counting the massive time given to Luffy or other important characters like Oden, Ace, or Law. He's got less time on panel than Sanji and he's more popular than ever. He wasn't beaten into second place like Hiei, Vegeta or others as a "rival," he's been a loyal friend and right hand from the jump despite many occasions where other characters note he typically wouldn't be. Zoro is his own archetype and at best you're out here finding clones
wHaTs SpEcIaL hEs JuSt LiEk AnY bAdAsS. Zoro's not out here coming in 7th place in polls lol. He missed four out of the last twelve years not counting the massive time given to Luffy or other important characters like Oden, Ace, or Law. He's got less time on panel than Sanji and he's more popular than ever. He wasn't beaten into second place like Hiei, Vegeta or others as a "rival," he's been a loyal friend and right hand from the jump despite many occasions where other characters note he typically wouldn't be. Zoro is his own archetype and at best you're out here finding clones
I didn't say that Yami is the archetype. It's not the character, but the trait or trope. Think "the trickster" archetype for usopp. Even if you make Zoro to be a character as an archetype, there had been serious swordsman or tough swordsman before. Whereas batman as an archetype works because he's the first crime fighting billionaire archetype. Also your second paragraph, while it's true, doesn't relate to our discussion.
If Zoro is to be an archetype, he will be the 3 swords user swordsman archetype. Which is different from what the guy earlier trying to convey, about yami and zoro. These characters both have some cool badass traits and you can't deny it.
If Zoro is to be an archetype, he will be the 3 swords user swordsman archetype. Which is different from what the guy earlier trying to convey, about yami and zoro. These characters both have some cool badass traits and you can't deny it.
1. Batman was after the Shadow.
2. Tough/serious swordsman is vague... those traits are implicit of a swordsman. The claim that he's typical is even more dubious as he's an intentional reference to many other figures: Zorro, Yoshitsune, etc.
3. No lol, I can't deny that Zoro has cool or inspired traits. Why would I? But that doesn't make him an archetype based on a character that came after. I haven't even seen Black Clover but there are some pretty obvious differences even if the writer was trying to make a Zoro
2. Tough/serious swordsman is vague... those traits are implicit of a swordsman. The claim that he's typical is even more dubious as he's an intentional reference to many other figures: Zorro, Yoshitsune, etc.
3. No lol, I can't deny that Zoro has cool or inspired traits. Why would I? But that doesn't make him an archetype based on a character that came after. I haven't even seen Black Clover but there are some pretty obvious differences even if the writer was trying to make a Zoro
i don't see anything special about him, he is overrated, bland, one dimensional, have a boring background, 
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
i don't see anything special about him, he is overrated, bland, one dimensional, have a boring background,
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
i don't see anything special about him, he is overrated, bland, one dimensional, have a boring background,
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
he can't win fights without special swords, he look badass against c level fighters, but always gets exposed even with mediocre elites like killer and hawkins,
he's Odas favorite due to him being only japanese in strawhats, maybe that's the only special about him, despite the fact oda give him lots of privilege, he still end up as a shitty character .
Zoro is an inspiration for other manga characters
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He's okay. Average badass strong shounen character.
Though I wish his backstory had more depth rather than just "oh no my best friend and rival died from stairs so I have to become the strongest"
The same general plotline of that backstory is present at the start of Kingdom manga for the protagonist Shin, but his best friend/rival Hyou died a better and more impactful death.
Bleach.
Though I wish his backstory had more depth rather than just "oh no my best friend and rival died from stairs so I have to become the strongest"
The same general plotline of that backstory is present at the start of Kingdom manga for the protagonist Shin, but his best friend/rival Hyou died a better and more impactful death.
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Bleach.
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Zoro is an inspiration for other manga characters
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Zoro is one of the few characters in OP that has a very strict sens of honor when it comes to fighting.
Zoro fights are part of his legend. He will never flee from the Battlefield or take a step back unlike Many characters including Luffy (especially with G4 downtime where he has to run for 10mn at multiple occasions post ts).
The common belief in OP World is that there is no honnor in pirate battles. Thats has been thé case for many many one piece fights, I Can mention Sanji vs Queen, sheepshot Law + useless mid vs meme, each and every Luffy fight where he runs out of Haki due to G4 (4 Times post ts). However, zoro fights are the complete opposite as his duels are 100% honorable death matches with no interference, no running away.
Thats also one of the reasons I respect mihawk, because he refuses to fight a weakened one arm shanks because there is no honor in fighting somebody who is weakened.
Another comparable character to zoro is katakuri. When Luffy ran away from him and came back, he was surprised because he knew that nobody would attack Luffy since he is the opposent of katakuri, and that each member of BM crew knew the rule that nobody should interfere with katakuri fights
Zoro fights are part of his legend. He will never flee from the Battlefield or take a step back unlike Many characters including Luffy (especially with G4 downtime where he has to run for 10mn at multiple occasions post ts).
The common belief in OP World is that there is no honnor in pirate battles. Thats has been thé case for many many one piece fights, I Can mention Sanji vs Queen, sheepshot Law + useless mid vs meme, each and every Luffy fight where he runs out of Haki due to G4 (4 Times post ts). However, zoro fights are the complete opposite as his duels are 100% honorable death matches with no interference, no running away.
Thats also one of the reasons I respect mihawk, because he refuses to fight a weakened one arm shanks because there is no honor in fighting somebody who is weakened.
Another comparable character to zoro is katakuri. When Luffy ran away from him and came back, he was surprised because he knew that nobody would attack Luffy since he is the opposent of katakuri, and that each member of BM crew knew the rule that nobody should interfere with katakuri fights
