Character Discussion What "Kingly ambitions" does Sanji has?

This whole coc kingly plot bs wasn't even distributed accordingly, and you guys fights who should and shouldnt have it. lol the whole coc plot doesnt even make any sense and it was also irrelevant. coc is like a accesories it was just created to make a character look good./
 
1. That was filled and Oda didn’t plan it

2. Katakuri is different than King. King also doesn’t have an awakened devil fruit or advanced Haki. Queens name is Queen? What’s the different? And because Zoro was getting beaten senseless by King now with this Zoro can fight back.

3. That’s not what is happening at all. Zoro got a nap and a full restore. Enma was challenging him to prove his worth. There’s nothing pointing to Zoro lacking Armament Haki.

4. Because Zoro is going to beat King? None of Zoros fights go extreme diff. They go Zoro losing then Zoro getting a power up and winning.
1. It doesn't matter if its filler, the fact that Oda confirmed that Zoro does indeed have CoC later on separate occasions with Kaido's comments to Zoro as well as King's comments to Zoro last chapter does not disprove what happens in the anime to be illogical or wrong.

2. The point is that the pattern is first mates get CoC, second mates don't. Given the similarities and parallels Oda has with the Calamities and the Sweet Commanders, Queen most likely doesn't have CoC, just like how Smoothie doesn't have CoC. Queen being Sanji's opponent this arc significantly lessens Sanji's chances to awaken CoC since he doesn't even have an opponent to clash with to even show or unlock CoC.

Also saying that King doesn't have Advanced Haki is also wrong, his clash with Zoro created lightning sparks when he clashed and counter Zoro's Tiger Hunt with Tanyudon Divine Red Bow. The black lightning sparks from their clash was obviously Advanced Armament Haki.

The only other way that Oda could have had Sanji show CoC is if he knocked out a bunch of fodder like when he first did in Marineford. Sanji had a chance to do this when he was surrounded by Black Maria and her minions , and Sanji still didn't show it, would have been a good opportunity too given his policy of not physically hitting women.

The argument that Sanji will unlock CoC this arc is no different to the argument back then that Sanji will unlock Future Sight just because Luffy has it and Sanji dodged a jellybean from Katakuri. CoO is said to be Sanji's specialty, yet he didn't unlock future sight in the arc where it was dedicated and focused on, so how are Sanji's chances of unlocking CoC in the Wano arc without any proper context or reason for it to happen any better? Rayleigh stated quite clearly that Haki blooms and is awakened under extreme conditions, when they are at their limits. If Sanji unlocking CoC this arc was supposed to be his highlight powerup, then Oda wouldn't have given him the Vinsmokes genes upgrade, making Sanji immune to Queen's attacks, that just lessens the conditions for CoC to be unlocked in the first place. Zoro unlocks CoC where he can't permanently cut Kaido and having run out of CoA to control enma. Luffy unlocked Advance CoO and Future Sight when he was forced to learn and unlock it to beat the supposedly 'untouchable' Katakuri.

Exactly what grave threat has Queen posed to Sanji so far to warrant Sanji to unlock CoC??

3. Luffy vs Katakuri and Doffy literally showed that Haki usage and restore like a battery is a thing, what do you mean Zoro got a full Haki restore?? Zoro only restored his vitality from the Mink's medicine for the damage he got from Hakai. His Haki was NOT fully restored yet. Otherwise why would Enma go out of control in his fight vs King and not Zoro's fight vs Kaido?? Enma is going out of control is because it constantly eats and needs Haki, and when the wielder can't give it a continuous and stable amount of Haki then it starts to forcibly suck out its wielder's haki all on its own.

4. You didn't answer my question of why King is unlikely to have CoC. Zoro vs King right now is already a high diff fight, Zoro coming out on top in the end and having the fight to be pushed to extreme diff is not an unreasonable argument. In the very last chapter, Dragon Twister, the very same attack that damaged Kaido and made him spit out blood did zero damage to King. Neither did Lion's Song, one of Zoro's strongest single move attacks. Zoro vs King is far from over and Zoro has already got pushed back so hard that he got sent flying and had to be stopped by franky from clashing with Emperor Tanyu-divine red bow, almost got thrown out of onigashima, and just last chapter took a tempura udon to his sides that only just missed his guts and vitals. The last sections of a 1v1 fight are always the hardest and most difficult, and if Zoro is already fighting King at high diff now, its not going to get easier, only harder as it reaches its climax. King pushing Zoro to extreme diff is not an unreasonable argument.
 
No one.
Zoro and Luffy are kings, they are portrayed differently than Sanji.
The fact is that some people just don't want to accept that.
As usual, everytime Zoro receives a power up that clearly implies him being closer to Luffy and a massive gap creating between him and Sanji, immediately the damage control starts.

Zoro used Conqueror and wounded Kaido to the point he scarred him?
Well, Sanji bicker with him and sometimes appear in a panel together, so he must be able to do the same.

Zoro proved no doubt that he is a Conqueror? And received Advanced CoC, the power that is portrayed as the way of fighting of the One Piece world èlites, stated to be what "only a handful of the very strongest" can do?
Well, Sanji bicker with him and sometimes appear in a panel together, so he must be able to do the same.

This is the logic.

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When will some people learn that Zoro and Sanji are different characters with different purposes, different backgrounds, different goals and different paths, therefore different strength levels?
Understand that, otherwise don't blame if people submerge you with memes. It's copium time.

How would you feel after sanji's CoC reveal?
Dumbass!
 
Idrc if Sanji gets CoC I’d rather have Law unlock it but all of the arguments for Sanji not getting CoC are so silly

“He doesn’t act like a conqueror” Literally every single thing pretty much anyone could list as prerequisites for conquerors haki is false

“You need kingly ambitions” Look no further than Whitebeard, Katakuri, and Ace for people with “kingly ambitions”

“You need an unbreakable will” Luffy had his will broken by Akainu after MF and he still feels it to this day (when his name was mentioned in FI he held his scar)

“but Luffy lost his brother it doesn’t count” Yes, that’s why Chinjao had his will broken and cried his eyes out after losing a fight once and held a grudge against Garp and his offspring for decades

“In Baratie he told Zoro to give up on his dream to save his life” Zeff himself said Sanji had the same spear as Luffy that he stifled because of Zeff. Nobody can tell me Sanji has a weak will after what he did when he first met Zeff



Even as a kid he was the only one on an entire ship full of grown adults who was willing to fight the Pirates who he assumed came to kill them all

 
Idrc if Sanji gets CoC I’d rather have Law unlock it but all of the arguments for Sanji not getting CoC are so silly

“He doesn’t act like a conqueror” Literally every single thing pretty much anyone could list as prerequisites for conquerors haki is false

“You need kingly ambitions” Look no further than Whitebeard, Katakuri, and Ace for people with “kingly ambitions”

“You need an unbreakable will” Luffy had his will broken by Akainu after MF and he still feels it to this day (when his name was mentioned in FI he held his scar)

“but Luffy lost his brother it doesn’t count” Yes, that’s why Chinjao had his will broken and cried his eyes out after losing a fight once and held a grudge against Garp and his offspring for decades

“In Baratie he told Zoro to give up on his dream to save his life” Zeff himself said Sanji had the same spear as Luffy that he stifled because of Zeff. Nobody can tell me Sanji has a weak will after what he did when he first met Zeff



Even as a kid he was the only one on an entire ship full of grown adults who was willing to fight the Pirates who he assumed came to kill them all
“In Baratie he told Zoro to give up on his dream to save his life” Zeff himself said Sanji had the same spear as Luffy that he stifled because of Zeff. Nobody can tell me Sanji has a weak will after what he did when he first met Zeff

This is one of the main topic about Sanji. Something happened literally more than 900 chapters ago, when Sanji was in a different mindset for what was happening in that arc. It's literally bullshit that the anti-Sanji guys always talk about thinking they have this single proof which confirm Sanji will never have Haoushoku haki. It is called character progression, you know anti Sanji people, what the word mean?
 
“In Baratie he told Zoro to give up on his dream to save his life” Zeff himself said Sanji had the same spear as Luffy that he stifled because of Zeff. Nobody can tell me Sanji has a weak will after what he did when he first met Zeff

This is one of the main topic about Sanji. Something happened literally more than 900 chapters ago, when Sanji was in a different mindset for what was happening in that arc. It's literally bullshit that the anti-Sanji guys always talk about thinking they have this single proof which confirm Sanji will never have Haoushoku haki. It is called character progression, you know anti Sanji people, what the word mean?
They can’t even use it against him because in that same arc Sanji is willing to lay his life down for something he considers even more important than his dream

 
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