Powers & Abilities What makes Sanji a Conqueror?

#22
No, you haven't explained how it's not justified. How is Zoro unlocking COC justified but Sanji not?.
I did justify it, I'm not playing this game with you. Plus the whole point of this thread is to justify Sanji unlocking CoC.
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What's Yamato justification? Katakuri?
Yamato is not a main character and neither is Katakuri. If Oda makes Yamato a main character then god help us all.
 
#23
Problem is that there has never been a consistent definition of what a Conqueror is. We have top tiers who don't possess it, so it can't be power, we have character's with no grand dreams or ambitions but they possess it etc. I just don't see a solid in world justification for COC, so I just look at it from the outside and conclude that Oda gives it to whoever he wants.
To me the clear evidence is those who are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they care most about.
 
#25
To me the clear evidence is those who are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they care most about.
I don't thik that's it. Bellmere, Hiruluk, Otohime, and many others sacrificed themselves for what they cared the most about. A conqueror is someone with an unshakable belief in themselves or something. That may be a dream or an ideal. It's similar but with some nuance.
 
#27
@Toby D. Dog There is no game, we are having a conversation. I'm asking you why you believe Zoro having it is justified but not Sanji. There is no aggressive intent nor am I being condescending, I'm simply engaging with a conversation you started.
My bad, you're right. What I'm trying to do in this thread is come up with an explanation so that when Sanji unlocks CoC (which I believe he will) there is a justifiable in-story reason for it. Zoro wants to be the best swordsman, that's what makes him a conqueror. Since Sanji's ambitions are not to be the best at anything, something else has to be the source of his CoC.

For me, the best option Oda has is Sanji's absolute refusal to fight or hit women. Regardless of anything.
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Lanji is not getting coc
The story demands it at this point. Doesn't really matter if you love, hate, or don't care about Sanji.
 
#28
What makes Gaban a Conqueror?
As far as we know, he only wanted to travel and fuck women around the world. Plus he is strong.
Sanji is a prince of the Germa kingdom who only want to cook for starving people, find a legendary sea which is probably connected to the One Piece and fuck women around the world. Plus he is strong.
 
#31
What makes Gaban a Conqueror?
As far as we know, he only wanted to travel and fuck women around the world. Plus he is strong.
Sanji is a prince of the Germa kingdom who only want to cook for starving people, find a legendary sea which is probably connected to the One Piece and fuck women around the world. Plus he is strong.
We don't know what makes Gaban or Rayleigh a conqueror. But we don't need to know why they have it. They're old legends, they are the gold standard our main characters strive for. However, when it comes to the strawhats, we need justifications for their character development and power-ups.
 
#39
My bad, you're right. What I'm trying to do in this thread is come up with an explanation so that when Sanji unlocks CoC (which I believe he will) there is a justifiable in-story reason for it. Zoro wants to be the best swordsman, that's what makes him a conqueror. Since Sanji's ambitions are not to be the best at anything, something else has to be the source of his CoC.

For me, the best option Oda has is Sanji's absolute refusal to fight or hit women. Regardless of anything.
No problem. The women point can definitely be used as part of that justification, that code he's willing to die for no matter what shows strong will. But I also think the other things I mentioned are enough to justify it. Because when looking at Zoro, you say that the justification for him is wanting to be the best swordsman, I agree, but the question is, what is the criteria?. Being the best or the strongest or having a grand dream (which Sanji does have) are not consistently shown to be the justification for conquerors. The only way for us to understand what the criteria for a power is, is to look at those who possess it. When looking at at all of them, we don't find "being the best/strongest" is consistent among them. So while I do believe Zoro possessing it is justified in part due to his dream, I don't think his dream is the strict criteria for being a conqueror, not even a necessity, since that's what we see when looking at all those who possess it. Finding the all blue, sticking to his code, being a capable leader, left hand of Luffy, future legend/top tier are all enough of a justification when looking at those who possess Conqueror's, in my opinion.
 
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