Speculations What mythical fish do think Kaido's fruit is?
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Since its mythology based, it will be a carp/Koi fish that turned into a dragon by swimming up a waterfall. Very popular myth in Chinese and Japanese culture. Seeing as Wano is Eastern themed, it makes a ton of sense.
Only if the fruit allows it. Since its mythical then theres an extra stage to it.
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Only if the fruit allows it. Since its mythical then theres an extra stage to it.
Guys, it isn't simply that Kaido is based on the legend about the carp that turned into a dragon. Ryus are deeply related to fishes, water and that whole context. Western readers see them as reptiles because they're biased by their own dragons, but ryus are related to fishes and other underwater animals throughout tons of mythology.
That said, possibly Ryujin, Wani or maybe Seiryu (the latter I have more doubts). I'd have said Ryu and that's it, but the existence of the Ryu Ryu family make it unlikely.
Phoenix is generic too, especially Marco's, who is just another version of the modern Hou-ou.
And you can't put mythology aside when speaking of dragons. Ryus have a lot of common with fishes and it makes total sense for Oda to put them in their devil fruit family (which we don't even know if addresses fishes per se or simply an amalgam of aquatic creatures).
That said, possibly Ryujin, Wani or maybe Seiryu (the latter I have more doubts). I'd have said Ryu and that's it, but the existence of the Ryu Ryu family make it unlikely.
Phoenix is generic too, especially Marco's, who is just another version of the modern Hou-ou.
And you can't put mythology aside when speaking of dragons. Ryus have a lot of common with fishes and it makes total sense for Oda to put them in their devil fruit family (which we don't even know if addresses fishes per se or simply an amalgam of aquatic creatures).
He has carp scales tatooed in his arm too, soo yep.
Also a chinese myth says: The Dragon’s Gate is located at the top of a waterfall cascading from a legendary mountain. Many carp swim upstream against the river’s strong current, but few are capable or brave enough for the final leap over the waterfall. If a carp successfully makes the jump, it is transformed into a powerful dragon. A Chinese dragon’s large, conspícuos scales indicate its origin from a carp.
Also a chinese myth says: The Dragon’s Gate is located at the top of a waterfall cascading from a legendary mountain. Many carp swim upstream against the river’s strong current, but few are capable or brave enough for the final leap over the waterfall. If a carp successfully makes the jump, it is transformed into a powerful dragon. A Chinese dragon’s large, conspícuos scales indicate its origin from a carp.
They don't look exactly like fish scales, they are fish scales. Eastern dragons are chimeras made up of many different animals and their scales are of carp. The only part Oda was unexpected at was making Kaido's dragon a model of the Uo Uo instead of the Ryu Ryu, and mainly because of how misleading the latter family is; Kaido's dragon "fish nature" was obvious as long as you knew a bit of mythology, but it was expectable for him to have the mythological model of the Ryu Ryu since he's a ryu. But of course, Oda decided to follow different ways here.
He's a dragon, not just "dragon modeled"; ryus are way more related to fishes than it may seem for a Western reader used to understand dragons as lizards.
This is what I wrote in another post about this issue, it may be helpful:
Just like Luffy does, ryus are easier to understand if you see them as eels instead of snakes. It's complicated because we're used to dragons as big lizards with wings, but Eastern dragons's lore is way deeper than that and they can indeed be seen as fishes or, more broadly, underwater creatures connected to them (we don't know what Oda understands by "Uo Uo" fruit either, potentially including not only/really fishes but crustaceans, octopus, etc., as it happens in some Eastern languages).
This is what I wrote in another post about this issue, it may be helpful:
Just like Luffy does, ryus are easier to understand if you see them as eels instead of snakes. It's complicated because we're used to dragons as big lizards with wings, but Eastern dragons's lore is way deeper than that and they can indeed be seen as fishes or, more broadly, underwater creatures connected to them (we don't know what Oda understands by "Uo Uo" fruit either, potentially including not only/really fishes but crustaceans, octopus, etc., as it happens in some Eastern languages).
I meant that his fruit is the ryu power and not "dragon modeled" (unless you mean here "model: dragon" and I didn't get it right), not that he was born a dragon. Makes total sense for the fish zoan to have the ryu or Eastern dragon as its mythical model, that's what I was explaining. Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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He is based on Eastern dragon.
Wani a sea monster mythical dragon .
https://koiorganisationinternational.org/blog-entry/how-koi-became-dragon-waterfall-legend
Wani a sea monster mythical dragon .
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https://koiorganisationinternational.org/blog-entry/how-koi-became-dragon-waterfall-legend
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