Controversial What the world needs right now are revolutions.

[HerreraIsBack]

Do you know what I'm talking about ?

Do you?

 

[Logiko]

Do you?

Yup. What is needed for people here to understand. But if you keep shutting me down, you will not get anything. Try to trust me for once.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Yup. What is needed for people here to understand. But if you keep shutting me down, you will not get anything. Try to trust me for once.

I know you dude, you are full of bullshit and hypocrisy

 

[Logiko]

I know you dude, you are full of bullshit and hypocrisy

No. You know the version of me you think I am. That's different :)

We all have a veil of biases in front of us. For some, it's huge, for others not so much. The goal of the game is to learn how to get rid of it.

I'm asking you very seriously: Have you ever tried reducing your biases ?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Have you ever tried reducing your biases ?

Have you ever tried not to act like you know more than anyone else and only your opinion is valid while others are not?

 

[Logiko]

Have you ever tried not to act like you know more than anyone else and only your opinion is valid while others are not?

Yes I did in fact. But this didn't stop the insults, the reactionnarism or the deny of life threatenning subjects.

Listen, maybe you are right and maybe my method is not the best.

So let me ask you : What would you do in my place, if you knew for a fact that the person you are talking to is wrong on many things related to politics and that what they are saying has chances to hurt them and yourself ?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

What would you do in my place, if you knew for a fact that the person you are talking to is wrong on many things related to politics and that what they are saying has chances to hurt them and yourself ?

Words don't hurts others. Others let themselves get hurt by words. This question of yours is the most fascist question that exists.

 

[Logiko]

Words don't hurts others. Others let themselves get hurt by words. This question of yours is the most fascist question that exists.

So when you hit someone physically, do you say that "they are letting you hurt them" ?

Don't you feel like this deresponsibilizes you in your actions ?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

So when you hit someone physically, do you say that "they are letting you hurt them" ?

Don't you feel like this deresponsibilizes you in your actions ?

If a baby hits you it doesn't hurts at all. If an adult hits you then it may hurt.

If a random person or someone who you don't respect says bad things about you or even someone you respect says bad things about things you don't care about, you don't give a fuck therefore it doesn't hurts you. But if someone that you respects says bad things that you care about you then you will feel hurt.

When talking physicall it depends on who is attacking.

When talking emotionally it depends on who is hearing.

That's why you can't be hurt by words if you simply doesn't listen/read them. You will get hurt physically if you are touched though.

 

[Logiko]

If a baby hits you it doesn't hurts at all. If an adult hits you then it may hurt.

If a random person or someone who you don't respect says bad things about you or even someone you respect says bad things about things you don't care about, you don't give a fuck therefore it doesn't hurts you. But if someone that you respects says bad things that you care about you then you will feel hurt.

When talking physicall it depends on who is attacking.

When talking emotionally it depends on who is hearing.

That's why you can't be hurt by words if you simply doesn't listen/read them. You will get hurt physically if you are touched though.

I'll use your metaphor:

If you push a valid 30 yo man in the back, he will move but that should be it, right ?
But what happens if you push a standing 95 year old woman with the same push ?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I'll use your metaphor:

If you push a valid 30 yo man in the back, he will move but that should be it, right ?
But what happens if you push a standing 95 year old woman with the same push ?

What is your point?

I said that physically you can't avoid if there is a touch. If someone attacks you, then you will feel it.

But emotionally you can avoid but not giving a shit, not reading, not hearing...

 

[Logiko]

What is your point?

I said that physically you can't avoid if there is a touch. If someone attacks you, then you will feel it.

But emotionally you can avoid but not giving a shit, not reading, not hearing...

Please, it's important, just answer the question, I want to start an analogy, but I want to make sure you get the basis of it.

"
If you push a valid 30 yo man in the back, he will move but that should be it, right ?
But what happens if you push a standing 95 year old woman with the same push ?
"

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Please, it's important, just answer the question, I want to start an analogy, but I want to make sure you get the basis of it.

"
If you push a valid 30 yo man in the back, he will move but that should be it, right ?
But what happens if you push a standing 95 year old woman with the same push ?
"

If you push a 30 years old it depends on the force of it and the situation. You can push him lightly and it will barely move. You can push it hard and it will move. You can push him while he is walking at street and he may fall. You can push him while he going down stairs and he may roll down and get way more injured.

And same applies to the 95 year old woman.

 

[Logiko]

If you push a 30 years old it depends on the force of it and the situation. You can push him lightly and it will barely move. You can push it hard and it will move. You can push him while he is walking at street and he may fall. You can push him while he going down stairs and he may roll down and get way more injured.

And same applies to the 95 year old woman.

Do you understand that a big push has lower chances to make a 30 year old fall than an 95old woman?
A yes or a no is enough for me

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Do you understand that a big push has lower chances to make a 30 year old fall than an 95old woman?
A yes or a no is enough for me

Depends on people weight, muscle etc

 

[Logiko]

Depends on people weight, muscle etc

Are you serious here ?
How can you expect me to respect you, if you are not willing to have a good faith conversation or to respect me ?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Are you serious here ?
How can you expect me to respect you, if you are not willing to have a good faith conversation or to respect me ?

I'm serious. I don't expect you to respect me. I admit I'm not respecting you at the other thread but here I am.

 

[Logiko]

I'm serious. I don't expect you to respect me. I admit I'm not respecting you at the other thread but here I am.

This was a yes or no question. There is no room for nuances. It was not complicated but your desire to prove me wrong was stronger that your desire to have a good faith conversation so you created an argument that was flawed just to be snarky

I can't talk with you if you keep doing this. Either we talk like adults or I will ignore you and you will have no right to ask me to respect you again.

You choose.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

This was a yes or no question. There is no room for nuances. It was not complicated but your desire to prove me wrong was stronger that your desire to have a good faith conversation so you created an argument that was flawed just to be snarky

I can't talk with you if you keep doing this. Either we talk like adults or I will ignore you and you will have no right to ask me to respect you again.

You choose.

As always you never have an argument and just stall the conversation while pretending to be the reason of it.

You tried to force me to answer how you expected to have your argument. You failed because you don't know how I think. My point is just that things are not black and white like you believe. That's why that wasn't a yes or no question to me.

You want to justify censorship because people don't like somethings being said towards them or about them like this could be a reasonable excuse of it. And then you go to the ridiculous about people who claims to feel hurt about it.

This is no different from trying to ban peanut and peanut products because some people are allergic to it. The allergic people needs to take care of themselves to not be affected by it. Not force everyone else to ban peanuts from the world.

 

[Logiko]

You tried to force me to answer how you expected to have your argument.

This is the basis of our problem. You are taking a simple question (without irrespect or even any traps) as me forcing on you my win on an argument. That's twisted bro.

I was not trying to force anything. I was trying to make the conversation move ahead to introduced a better argument and you are only interested in having a "gotcha" moment. For fuck sake.

So will ask again differently since you are so unwilling to be just honest with me:

Let's say that you push STRONGLY a STRONG man and he does NOT fall. Now let's say that you push a 95 year old FRAGILE woman the SAME way.

What we happen to the woman ?